Barack Obama's church's vision statement

[JennyMominRI]

.... It's the same to me as the fact that you don't hear much from Romney about his long standing work in temple proxy baptisms......

This makes me so mad...Nothing to do with his candidacy,, just REALLY ticks me off

 

[TerriP]

Would it still be "very nice" if it were all white people? Say, like the Amish?

Very hard for me to compare the history of the Amish citizens of our country to the history of black citizens of our country...too much contrast. But, I understand the point you're trying to make is that this church's mission is racist...well, I disagree. To me, calling this "racist" is simplistic and naive. It's a "knee-jerk" reaction used to frighten and intimidate people.

One must look at the bigger picture and this history involved.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Didn't we have this same discussion about a year ago about this very topic?

 

[TerriP]

A "non-negotiable commitment to Africa" does not mean that it is their ONLY commitment. He has a commitment to his wife and children, his job, his dentist next Thursday... Personally, I can juggle several commitments. But I need to assure that they don't conflict with one another too severely and I suppose that's what this comes down to for him. I just happen to trust him on that one.

And yes, he does "pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States..."

Thank you. I was waiting for someone to post that a non-negotiable commitment does not mean an exclusive commitment! People work so hard to spin things they lose LOGIC in the process!

 

[CapeCodTenor]

Perhaps because there aren't many black Irish or Greeks? What if they simply removed the word "black" and replaced it with African? But in this country many people who are black don't know their ancestry because it was stolen from them. Black is all-encompassing.

The truth is, this particular mission statement does make me uncomfortable in its language. However, it is a very mainstream, albeit conservative, church with many programs designed to serve the community. I have a friend who attends and she isn't exactly a radical . I also don't think Obama is going to put the interests of his faith and the church in front of the interests of our nation. It is simply the church where he found his faith and he has a loyalty to it. Not everyone agrees with every aspect of their church's philosophy. My husband is a Catholic with MAJOR problems with Catholicism.

Personally I don't care what his religion is or what his church believes in. I'm merely pointing out that this has not been brought up in the national media, but Romney and Huckabee's religion at least have been mentioned. To me it's a double standard.

 

[disney junky]

I have not seen it before. Thanks for posting it. Hubby and I were just talking about all this. Seems so silly that we are in a nation where you are not allowed to wear a cross around your neck or carry the Bible at a public school, and yet they say the Pledge... then we jump up and down when a candidate mentions religion and ask "Is he the good kind or the bad kind of religious person?" I just dont get it. Are we a religious country or not? This is insane when you really think about all of it. Religion should be a heartfelt connection to God... not something used against certain people at certain times. Just my personal two cents for me only.

well said

 

[CapeCodTenor]

Because they're too busy mistakingly calling him "Osama", or mentioning that his middle name is Hussein, or trying to convince people he went to a radical muslim school as a child...

Most people wouldn't have a problem with his church, so they go with what they think will work against him more.

He's still got my vote.

Yes, many people have mistaken his name...included our own Teddy Kennedy. If it's a slip of the tongue, then it's a slip of the tongue. I don't think anyone was trying to cause problems by purposely calling him Osama or something.

 

[Poohbear123]

Personally I don't care what his religion is or what his church believes in. I'm merely pointing out that this has not been brought up in the national media, but Romney and Huckabee's religion at least have been mentioned. To me it's a double standard.

No it hasn't, and I wonder why? I think he is not a good enough candidate to run this country....I think he is dangerous, in my opinion.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Why not comment on the content instead of a proposing a poll? The OP did.

And so did I when I started a thread quite a while back.

We have a double standard in the US. That church's statement is quite alright by many people but the minute you change it to white like I did when I started that thread, suddenly it's unacceptable and racist.

What's the deal, Charade? Of everyone here on the DIS, you always seem to be in the center of the mix every time anyone black shows even the slightest bit of afrocentricity? If there's one thing the world doesn't need, it's another "professional white guy" giving the old, "Oh whoa is me!" routine. By now, if you don't understand how and why minorities, from blacks, to Latinos, to Jews, have to band together and try and preserve their cultural heritage, even here in the good ol' US of A, and why that isn't necessarily a bad thing, then you never will.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

Or better yet, ask him what *unconditioned support* means.
Funny thing is I just got an email about how he is an evil Muslim.
I'm SURE this will come up

Interesting because I got an email this morning show a pic of Obama, Richardson and Hillary. It claims they were standing for the Pledge of Allegiance and it shows Obama with his hands clasped and not over his heart as the other two, and also states he refused to recite the words. I find that very difficult to swallow. I won't vote for the man because I disagree with his stance on major issues, but I can't believe some of the ways people find to attack the candidates.

 

[Maleficent13]

Personally I don't care what his religion is or what his church believes in. I'm merely pointing out that this has not been brought up in the national media, but Romney and Huckabee's religion at least have been mentioned. To me it's a double standard.

Perhaps, then, it needs to be addressed to the perpetrators - ie, the media. I do not work in the media and I do not personally have anything at all to do with how any candidate is portrayed.

Personally speaking, I have never understood why people make Romney's Mormonism an issue. Every time I hear someone bring it up, I think to myself, "People, this isn't an episode of Big Love."

I am much more interested in how the candidates stand on the policy issues. I am not really interested in their religions or lack thereof.

 

[Crankyshank]

I haven't seen any indication from Obama's voting record or platform to indicate that pushing through his church's objectives is in any way a priority. I don't see even an indication that he feels his religion should in any way be part of the government. So I don't really care what kind of church he attends. I'm Catholic- it's easy for me to understand being a part of a Church and yet not 100% supportive of the church's standings.

About Romney and Huckabee - Romney's religion has absolutely no bearing on why I will not vote for him. I admit that Huckabees' religion is a big reason why I refuse to vote for him, but more because he is trying to legislate his morality and makes a big to do over proclaming his religious affiliation. I like to see a separation between Church and State in campaigning as well as once you take office. If you can't do that while campaigning, then what chance is there that you'll be able to separate your religious life from your political duties once you take office?

 

[Chloe'sMom]

I haven't seen any indication from Obama's voting record or platform to indicate that pushing through his church's objectives is in any way a priority. I don't see even an indication that he feels his religion should in any way be part of the government. So I don't really care what kind of church he attends. I'm Catholic- it's easy for me to understand being a part of a Church and yet not 100% supportive of the church's standings.

About Romney and Huckabee - Romney's religion has absolutely no bearing on why I will not vote for him. I admit that Huckabees' religion is a big reason why I refuse to vote for him, but more because he is trying to legislate his morality and makes a big to do over proclaming his religious affiliation. I like to see a separation between Church and State in campaigning as well as once you take office. If you can't do that while campaigning, then what chance is there that you'll be able to separate your religious life from your political duties once you take office?

and Chloe's Mom says "AMEN!"
~Amanda

 

[lillygator]

Interesting because I got an email this morning show a pic of Obama, Richardson and Hillary. It claims they were standing for the Pledge of Allegiance and it shows Obama with his hands clasped and not over his heart as the other two, and also states he refused to recite the words. I find that very difficult to swallow. I won't vote for the man because I disagree with his stance on major issues, but I can't believe some of the ways people find to attack the candidates.

 

[Charade]

What's the deal, Charade? Of everyone here on the DIS, you always seem to be in the center of the mix every time anyone black shows even the slightest bit of afrocentricity? If there's one thing the world doesn't need, it's another "professional white guy" giving the old, "Oh whoa is me!" routine. By now, if you don't understand how and why minorities, from blacks, to Latinos, to Jews, have to band together and try and preserve their cultural heritage, even here in the good ol' US of A, and why that isn't necessarily a bad thing, then you never will.

I never said it was a bad thing. And me not being a minority does distance me from their life experiences. I can't relate. But that doesn't mean I don't "get it". I also think that some black leaders do a disservice to their fellow black by perpetuating the myth that by in large, the white man is still trying to keep them down.

I'm not sure how you make the leap that I've got some sort of "whoa is me" attitude? What they do doesn't directly affect me one bit. I can still have an opinion about it though.

The only point I'm trying to make is that if a white church had a similar mission statement, it would be considered unacceptable and racist. IMO, it's no different if someone said "if a Democrat had done that..." or "if that had been a Republican..." things would be different. Again, IMO, there's a clear double standard.

 

[Fitswimmer]

I haven't seen any indication from Obama's voting record or platform to indicate that pushing through his church's objectives is in any way a priority. I don't see even an indication that he feels his religion should in any way be part of the government. So I don't really care what kind of church he attends. I'm Catholic- it's easy for me to understand being a part of a Church and yet not 100% supportive of the church's standings.

About Romney and Huckabee - Romney's religion has absolutely no bearing on why I will not vote for him. I admit that Huckabees' religion is a big reason why I refuse to vote for him, but more because he is trying to legislate his morality and makes a big to do over proclaming his religious affiliation. I like to see a separation between Church and State in campaigning as well as once you take office. If you can't do that while campaigning, then what chance is there that you'll be able to separate your religious life from your political duties once you take office?

and Fitswimmer says AMEN too!!!

 

[Charade]

Interesting because I got an email this morning show a pic of Obama, Richardson and Hillary. It claims they were standing for the Pledge of Allegiance and it shows Obama with his hands clasped and not over his heart as the other two, and also states he refused to recite the words. I find that very difficult to swallow. I won't vote for the man because I disagree with his stance on major issues, but I can't believe some of the ways people find to attack the candidates.

Supposedly that was for the National Anthem, not the Pledge of Allegiance.

 

[CapeCodTenor]

I haven't seen any indication from Obama's voting record or platform to indicate that pushing through his church's objectives is in any way a priority. I don't see even an indication that he feels his religion should in any way be part of the government. So I don't really care what kind of church he attends. I'm Catholic- it's easy for me to understand being a part of a Church and yet not 100% supportive of the church's standings.

About Romney and Huckabee - Romney's religion has absolutely no bearing on why I will not vote for him. I admit that Huckabees' religion is a big reason why I refuse to vote for him, but more because he is trying to legislate his morality and makes a big to do over proclaming his religious affiliation. I like to see a separation between Church and State in campaigning as well as once you take office. If you can't do that while campaigning, then what chance is there that you'll be able to separate your religious life from your political duties once you take office?

Exactly, religion has no bearing on who I vote for.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

Supposedly that was for the National Anthem, not the Pledge of Allegiance.

This is the text that went with the email I received:

Senator Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin stand during the national anthem.
Barack Hussein Obama's photo (that's his real name)......the article said he REFUSED TO NOT ONLY PUT HIS HAND ON HIS HEART DURING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, BUT REFUSED TO SAY THE PLEDGE.....how can a man like this expect to be our next Commander-in-Chief????

I guess they're trying to cover all the bases. I just never heard of it before this email, which is why it seems more than questionable regarding the validity. Maybe it was on the news and I missed it, but I would think my boys on FOX would have played this one up big time.

 

[MosMom]

Urban legends and lies tend to change as they spread.