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[Fatphil32]

The only thing we agree on is that former President Bush kept us safe. Yes, he made some horribly stupid moves, but he kept us safe and I admire him for that. I admire anyone willing to take on a major political official's position.

That said, it was NONE of our business to go into Iraq. Afghanistan? Heck yeah. We needed to let the Afghani terrorists know that we weren't going to take their crap anymore. But to invade another country and tear it down because we don't like their government is idiotic. Reverse the roles for a second. Would you like it if someone invaded the US, terrorized us, and switch our government? Who are they to decide we need a new government, even if it is painfully obvious?

That, my friends, is why many foreigners dislike America - because we stick our noses where they don't belong.


Maybe I'm right, and maybe I'm painfully wrong, but I'm basing this off my knowledge. JMO.

We didn't like their government? Their government was run by a hell-bound dictator who:

1. Has killed thousands of innocent people
2. Was a co-conspirator in the plot against the WTC in the '90's
3. Had an abundance of nuclear developments that could have started the third world war

That's plenty of reason to go into his country and other-throw him. Other countries hate us for taking it into our own hands, because no one else in the Middle East has the power we do to totally over-throw someone like that. It had to be done. Would you like to see Sadam Hussein running around and continuing to plot against us while killing more people? Yeah, me neither. And if Obama was a dictator and innocent people I knew were being killed by him, then I'd welcome the Americans with open arms. There's a reason for this picture:

And yes, I believe it was our right to decide what went on over there. When the government that was ran over there was posing a threat to national security, then it's completely our business.

And that's their opinions that our noses didn't belong in Iraq. If I'm the president and I feel our national security is threatened, then I'll put my nose in and around everywhere to make sure the people of my country are safe.

Maybe I'm painfully wrong as well. Maybe Loose Change 9/11 [great movie with a theory on 9/11 that's pretty painful to think about] is completely right and we're totally wrong on who actually sprung the attacks...

 

[Fatphil32]

And no it was not for gas.

The gas companies are a complete scam. Does anyone realize why gas was $4.00 a gallon? Not because they were running out of foreign oil. It was a set-up to get Obama in office. They knew in the Middle East with him in office they could once again prosper, since we wouldn't drill Alaska and our technology isn't high enough to lower our dependancy on foreign oil. They knew we'd still rely heavily on it, which is why prices will once again spur up around $3.00. The whole $4.00-$5.00 was to remind people what we've been dealing with for eight years and the current recession that's destroying our economy. With Palin as the Vice President, they knew we'd drill Alaska [one of her top policies] and their companies would go down the drain.

 

[imabrat]

We did catch the 2nd most wanted person(Saddam Hussain) in the world. And help fix the government that he messed up, and saved many innocent lives that he could have killed in the future. And no it was not for gas.

Okay, so we caught the 2nd most wanted man inthe world, but we invaded someone elses home. Like I said, reverse the roles. Look at it from the other perspective. You honestly can't tell me you'd be mad at the enemy if they invaded your home and changed your way of life because THEY didn't like it.

 

[KidGoofy]

Wow...I just realized the Palin thing

 

[Fatphil32]

Wow...I just realized the Palin thing

That's honestly just an educated guess from a little research I did... Nothing more than a guess that was based on some opinion and some fact.

 

[KidGoofy]

Okay, so we caught the 2nd most wanted man inthe world, but we invaded someone elses home. Like I said, reverse the roles. Look at it from the other perspective. You honestly can't tell me you'd be mad at the enemy if they invaded your home and changed your way of life because THEY didn't like it.

They were in the gutter already...if our government was as bad as theirs then yes I would want help from other countries. We kicked out a TERRIBLE RULER who killed a huge amount of people. And if you ever talk to any soldiers who came back from there, they all say that the people thank them, and I know plenty of them.

 

[imabrat]

We didn't like their government? Their government was run by a hell-bound dictator who:

1. Has killed thousands of innocent people
2. Was a co-conspirator in the plot against the WTC in the '90's
3. Had an abundance of nuclear developments that could have started the third world war

That's plenty of reason to go into his country and other-throw him. Other countries hate us for taking it into our own hands, because no one else in the Middle East has the power we do to totally over-throw someone like that. It had to be done. Would you like to see Sadam Hussein running around and continuing to plot against us while killing more people? Yeah, me neither. And if Obama was a dictator and innocent people I knew were being killed by him, then I'd welcome the Americans with open arms. There's a reason for this picture:



And yes, I believe it was our right to decide what went on over there. When the government that was ran over there was posing a threat to national security, then it's completely our business.

And that's their opinions that our noses didn't belong in Iraq. If I'm the president and I feel our national security is threatened, then I'll put my nose in and around everywhere to make sure the people of my country are safe.

Maybe I'm painfully wrong as well. Maybe Loose Change 9/11 [great movie with a theory on 9/11 that's pretty painful to think about] is completely right and we're totally wrong on who actually sprung the attacks...

It was not our place to decide how another nation lives their lives. I wouldn't like it if someone else invaded my country and told me how to live, and I don't like that we did it to others.

If I'm not mistaken, I thought Bush went in on mere suspicion of weapons of mass destruction, but never found anything?

 

[KidGoofy]

It was not our place to decide how another nation lives their lives. I wouldn't like it if someone else invaded my country and told me how to live, and I don't like that we did it to others.

If I'm not mistaken, I thought Bush went in on mere suspicion of weapons of mass destruction, but never found anything?

He did but once you see how bad it is there and they need help, the right thing to do is help out.

 

[imabrat]

They were in the gutter already...if our government was as bad as theirs then yes I would want help from other countries. We kicked out a TERRIBLE RULER who killed a huge amount of people. And if you ever talk to any soldiers who came back from there, they all say that the people thank them, and I know plenty of them.

Many of my friends parents are soldiers too, as I live very, very close to an army base. Yes, while there are some who thank them, there are also those who condemn them. If everyone thanked them for fixing their country, we wouldn't still be in this war would we?

 

[Fatphil32]

It was not our place to decide how another nation lives their lives. I wouldn't like it if someone else invaded my country and told me how to live, and I don't like that we did it to others.

If I'm not mistaken, I thought Bush went in on mere suspicion of weapons of mass destruction, but never found anything?

You realize almost all of those people want the lives we're living.. It's the reason were the most populated country in the world by immigrants. It's the reason that the greatest empires in the world have employed some form of democracy [Greek, Romans, America]. The media is feeding you the negative image of people. Yes, some don't like us over there, but probably more than 80% of the people do, and that's coming straight form my World History teacher who served from 2003-2007 in Iraq.

So are you telling me you're in the 20% that would have liked to keep Hussein as the dictator of your country? I'm sure we could find at least 10% of Americans who don't like the way we live now. Yet, they don't realize how good we have it compared to the people over there. You think that our economy and lives would be like they are today if we were ran by a dictator. Iraq is starting to secure some freedoms, such as religion and speech. And ya know what, I'm pretty sure they're damn grateful for that. It's the reason the pilgrims came here to start their own colony...

And we knew they had nuclear bombs in the 90's under Clinton and did nothing about it. Bush and everyone knew they had them, along with Iran. We went over because we had been threatened once and we felt we had to make sure we were safe. Better safe than sorry.

 

[imabrat]

You realize almost all of those people want the lives we're living.. It's the reason were the most populated country in the world by immigrants. It's the reason that the greatest empires in the world have employed some form of democracy [Greek, Romans, America]. The media is feeding you the negative image of people. Yes, some don't like us over there, but probably more than 80% of the people do, and that's coming straight form my World History teacher who served from 2003-2007 in Iraq.

So are you telling me you're in the 20% that would have liked to keep Hussein as the dictator of your country? I'm sure we could find at least 10% of Americans who don't like the way we live now. Yet, they don't realize how good we have it compared to the people over there. You think that our economy and lives would be like they are today if we were ran by a dictator. Iraq is starting to secure some freedoms, such as religion and speech. And ya know what, I'm pretty sure they're damn grateful for that. It's the reason the pilgrims came here to start their own colony...

And we knew they had nuclear bombs in the 90's under Clinton and did nothing about it. Bush and everyone knew they had them, along with Iran. We went over because we had been threatened once and we felt we had to make sure we were safe. Better safe than sorry.

Yeah, I do realize that. Heck, I'm the envy of my some 100+ cousins in Spain simply because I live in America. Many people have this perfect idea of the American Dream, and sadly it's not all it's cracked up to be.

No, I'm not in the 20% that would've preferred to keep him as dictator. I didn't like him at all and thought he was a heartless (insert choice vulgarity here), but I still don't support us wrecking the homes of many Iraqi peoples. Was there no other way to capture Saddam without bombing others' homes? Unfortunately, I know that was the only way to capture him, but I still don't like it.

Yes, I realize this would only be the case if Clinton had acted when we first discovered the bombs and that's why I partially blame him.

 

[chisnpeke]

They were in the gutter already...if our government was as bad as theirs then yes I would want help from other countries. We kicked out a TERRIBLE RULER who killed a huge amount of people. And if you ever talk to any soldiers who came back from there, they all say that the people thank them, and I know plenty of them.

You are definitely right about the soldiers saying the people thank them. We had some soldiers come into my high school and they said people really have no idea what it's like because the media has made it out to be this awful, terrible thing. They said they get thanked a lot for them being there.


I do think Saddam Hussein was a threat. But we should have investigated more than we did. The intelligence was wrong about Iraq.

Honestly, I don't care too much about what the world thinks about us. If they think it's so awful here ignore us. I'm tired of the world thinking that their opinion should influence how OUR country is run. The singer from Coldplay (Chris Martin) said that the whole world should vote in our presidential election because it affects the entire world. I like your music Chris, but no. If you want to vote in our elections you become a citizen of this country and contribute to the funds in our government.

Everyone wants to come to this country because it is the best example of freedom the world has ever seen and probably ever will see. The government in this country is envied and copied around the world. If it's soo terrible stop copying it and find a better way to run the show. I know that's true and I think most Americans think that is true. That's all that matters to me. This whole thing about how we are perceived abroad is kind of like a high school popularity contest. Why do we HAVE to be the best and thought of as so great? I don't get it. It doesn't affect me personally if someone in Russia hates us because I know in my heart what our country is, what our country stands for, who the people in our country are. I've seen them and I've seen that this country is the best to live in by far. We have a wonderful life in this country and I hate that so many people act like it's so horrible all because of President Bush. We've been through bad times before and we will again, we always get through them though and it's not the end of the world if someone wherever in the world hates us.

Sorry for the rant but I had to get it off of my chest.

 

[Fatphil32]

Yeah, I do realize that. Heck, I'm the envy of my some 100+ cousins in Spain simply because I live in America. Many people have this perfect idea of the American Dream, and sadly it's not all it's cracked up to be.

No, I'm not in the 20% that would've preferred to keep him as dictator. I didn't like him at all and thought he was a heartless (insert choice vulgarity here), but I still don't support us wrecking the homes of many Iraqi peoples. Was there no other way to capture Saddam without bombing others' homes? Unfortunately, I know that was the only way to capture him, but I still don't like it.

Yes, I realize this would only be the case if Clinton had acted when we first discovered the bombs and that's why I partially blame him.

Wait.. we wrecked their homes? You mean no one in Iraq ever shot a bomb at us.. no one set off a car explosive in the middle of a busy street.. nothing? You think that we blew up most of those homes? Uhh, no. The media might show us once a week hitting a house, but we didn't launch the first strike. We go in there to help them and the ones opposing us attack.. What are you suppose to do? National security, in case you didn't notice, is the first and most important thing at stake. There's a reason why we went in there. To over throw a corrupted leader and help provide the people of Iraq and us with a safe place to live. Not to make them be like us and blow up some innocent people.

Lives had to be lost, but lives are also won. We have have lost a few thousand.. over 3,500 to be exact, but it's all the cost of many years of yielded war and national security of the U.S, along with thousands of lives saved by the end of a dictatorship. If you have a problem with why we're fighting, ask a service member directly and see what they say. I'm pretty sure they're going to say they don't enjoy killing innocent people, but they do feel that going and stabilizing the Middle East to a point was necessary for the safety of many countries.

By the way, would you rather us kill the innocent people in a lesser amount for the fight of their security, or would you rather Hussein do it in greater amounts as part of a dictatorship? I'm pretty sure you and I both know what you want and will answer...

And thank god someone finally realized that Clinton does have a major fault in this, as well as Bush, Bush Sr. and the CIA.

 

[Fatphil32]

I do think Saddam Hussein was a threat. But we should have investigated more than we did. The intelligence was wrong about Iraq.

Not at all.. In the words of Dennis Green, "they are who we thought they were."

We thought they had killed thousands of people, held nuclear explosives at some point and possibly at present time, and posed a threat to national security. All three, true.

BTW, rest of rant I totally agree on.

 

[imabrat]

Wait.. we wrecked their homes? You mean no one in Iraq ever shot a bomb at us.. no one set off a car explosive in the middle of a busy street.. nothing? You think that we blew up most of those homes? Uhh, no. The media might show us once a week hitting a house, but we didn't launch the first strike. We go in there to help them and the ones opposing us attack.. What are you suppose to do? National security, in case you didn't notice, is the first and most important thing at stake. There's a reason why we went in there. To over throw a corrupted leader and help provide the people of Iraq and us with a safe place to live. Not to make them be like us and blow up some innocent people.

Lives had to be lost, but lives are also won. We have have lost a few thousand.. over 3,500 to be exact, but it's all the cost of many years of yielded war and national security of the U.S, along with thousands of lives saved by the end of a dictatorship. If you have a problem with why we're fighting, ask a service member directly and see what they say. I'm pretty sure they're going to say they don't enjoy killing innocent people, but they do feel that going and stabilizing the Middle East to a point was necessary for the safety of many countries.

By the way, would you rather us kill the innocent people in a lesser amount for the fight of their security, or would you rather Hussein do it in greater amounts as part of a dictatorship? I'm pretty sure you and I both know what you want and will answer...

And thank god someone finally realized that Clinton does have a major fault in this, as well as Bush, Bush Sr. and the CIA.

Yeah, we wrecked their homes, as they did to us. However, in the words of Mahatma Ghandi, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".
I'm not an "antiwar hippie", but last I heard, it didn't take war and only war to accomplish something. And, I didn't mean a home specifically, as in a possession. I meant a family, a life, etc.

Actually, I'd rather no one die at all. Having a dictator kill innocent people is no good, but killing innocent people with our hands is no good either.

JMO.

 

[KidGoofy]

Yeah, we wrecked their homes, as they did to us. However, in the words of Mahatma Ghandi, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".
I'm not an "antiwar hippie", but last I heard, it didn't take war and only war to accomplish something. And, I didn't mean a home specifically, as in a possession. I meant a family, a life, etc.

Actually, I'd rather no one die at all. Having a dictator kill innocent people is no good, but killing innocent people with our hands is no good either.

JMO.

But we are saving lives...if we didn't go in there would be more deaths than there are now. And a house is a physical possesion and a life is better than a home.

And you are making little sense now

 

[chisnpeke]

Wait.. we wrecked their homes? You mean no one in Iraq ever shot a bomb at us.. no one set off a car explosive in the middle of a busy street.. nothing? You think that we blew up most of those homes? Uhh, no. The media might show us once a week hitting a house, but we didn't launch the first strike. We go in there to help them and the ones opposing us attack.. What are you suppose to do? National security, in case you didn't notice, is the first and most important thing at stake. There's a reason why we went in there. To over throw a corrupted leader and help provide the people of Iraq and us with a safe place to live. Not to make them be like us and blow up some innocent people.

Lives had to be lost, but lives are also won. We have have lost a few thousand.. over 3,500 to be exact, but it's all the cost of many years of yielded war and national security of the U.S, along with thousands of lives saved by the end of a dictatorship. If you have a problem with why we're fighting, ask a service member directly and see what they say. I'm pretty sure they're going to say they don't enjoy killing innocent people, but they do feel that going and stabilizing the Middle East to a point was necessary for the safety of many countries.

By the way, would you rather us kill the innocent people in a lesser amount for the fight of their security, or would you rather Hussein do it in greater amounts as part of a dictatorship? I'm pretty sure you and I both know what you want and will answer...

And thank god someone finally realized that Clinton does have a major fault in this, as well as Bush, Bush Sr. and the CIA.

Thousands of Iraqis have been killed by us. I don't know if Saddam Hussein would have killed the same amount but it doesn't really matter. Those people are dead. I'm sure part of it has to do with these insurgants that came into Iraq and now it's some sort of breeding ground for terrorists. It's a mess. I'm not sure what the answer should have been. I don't think Bush should have pushed to go into Iraq so quickly. I will say the world is better without Saddam but the country of Iraq is a big mess and I hope it can recover.

And it's correct that Clinton has blame in this. As he does in the whole economic mess (that actually goes back to the Carter years). The fact is it all doesn't really matter. Pointing fingers isn't going to help what is happening now. Everyone dropped the ball.

 

[chisnpeke]

But we are saving lives...if we didn't go in there would be more deaths than there are now. And a house is a physical possesion and a life is better than a home.

And you are making little sense now

The only reason the United States should go to war is to protect the vital interests of the country. Vietnam was not protecting our vital interests and I'm not sure if Iraq is either. I fear about just letting it all go because it could just become another terrorist infested breeding ground.

 

[Fatphil32]

Yeah, we wrecked their homes, as they did to us. However, in the words of Mahatma Ghandi, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".
I'm not an "antiwar hippie", but last I heard, it didn't take war and only war to accomplish something. And, I didn't mean a home specifically, as in a possession. I meant a family, a life, etc.

Actually, I'd rather no one die at all. Having a dictator kill innocent people is no good, but killing innocent people with our hands is no good either.

JMO.

They didn't just wreck our homes.. They wrecked one of the most densly populated parts of the world, destroyed two buildings that are a center for foreign trade, and shut down the world's biggest and busiest economy market in Wall Street for a number of days, along with killing over a thousand people. Then add in everything that Hussein did and it was plenty of reason to do what was needed to be done. It wasn't an "eye for an eye." We didn't go over there with the intent of killing innocent people; anything but doing that would have been the preferred choice.

The war's been going on over there since the dawn of time.. Hint, thousands of years. We didn't start the war. There's been a civil war going on there for longer than we can look into our history books and read about. You can't just go over there and expect them to see everything our way and understand what they did was wrong and move on.. It's going to take unwanted, forceful action. Let reality hit for a second... There is no solution.

And you don't really get that choice.

 

[imabrat]

Honestly, I don't care too much about what the world thinks about us. If they think it's so awful here ignore us. I'm tired of the world thinking that their opinion should influence how OUR country is run. The singer from Coldplay (Chris Martin) said that the whole world should vote in our presidential election because it affects the entire world. I like your music Chris, but no. If you want to vote in our elections you become a citizen of this country and contribute to the funds in our government.

Everyone wants to come to this country because it is the best example of freedom the world has ever seen and probably ever will see. The government in this country is envied and copied around the world. If it's soo terrible stop copying it and find a better way to run the show. I know that's true and I think most Americans think that is true. That's all that matters to me. This whole thing about how we are perceived abroad is kind of like a high school popularity contest. Why do we HAVE to be the best and thought of as so great? I don't get it. It doesn't affect me personally if someone in Russia hates us because I know in my heart what our country is, what our country stands for, who the people in our country are. I've seen them and I've seen that this country is the best to live in by far. We have a wonderful life in this country and I hate that so many people act like it's so horrible all because of President Bush. We've been through bad times before and we will again, we always get through them though and it's not the end of the world if someone wherever in the world hates us.

Sorry for the rant but I had to get it off of my chest.

How can they ignore us? Ever hear the saying "When America coughs, the world gets a cold"?. We are EVERYWHERE. Just look back to the last election - people all over the world were supporting presidential candidates. Heck, there was even a website (I can't remember the url) that was a fake vote involving anyone in the world, who would they vote for in our election? I agree that they should not be allowed to vote because that privilege is for citizens and citizens only. BUT, these people are looking from the outside in, and sometimes certain situations call for someone from the outside looking in. Do I think they should influence who we vote for? No. But I do think it should give us something to chew on.

My two cents.

Please don't think of me as one of "those people" who think the US is shot to hell because of Bush, because I'm not. I just don't think there was a reason for at least part of the war.