Barack Obama Attacks Free Speech

[rayelias]

Imagine that. Equal time on the public airwaves for the first time in over two decades.

I hope that is indeed one of the very first acts of the new Congress.

Are you SERIOUS?!?

Mandating speech?!?

LISTEN UP PEOPLE! THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF OBAMA WINS! YOU WILL ONLY BE ALLOWED TO SAY WHAT OBAMA AND THE FAR LEFT ALLOWS! THEY HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND THE STIFLING OF DISSENTING OPINION!

 

[LoraJ]

Are you SERIOUS?!?

Mandating speech?!?

LISTEN UP PEOPLE! THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF OBAMA WINS! YOU WILL ONLY BE ALLOWED TO SAY WHAT OBAMA AND THE FAR LEFT ALLOWS! THEY HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND THE STIFLING OF DISSENTING OPINION!

FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR

 

[rayelias]

FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR

Fear?

Pelosi has publicly stated that she wants to revisit the fairness doctrine.

The poster to which I replied wished it was the one of very first acts of the new congress.

FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS

If GW Bush and a Republican controlled Congress suggested limiting political speech, you guys would be ALL OVER HIM.

I'm opposed to any limitation of political speech from either side, not just one. Apparently others on the left don't share this view.

 

[Master Mason]

Yeah, me too. Patriot Act. lol!!! What a name for the Bushies stepping all over our constitutional rights!!! Patriot Act!!!

psst.... Obama voted for the updated patriot act.... Clinton voted for it twice, Biden voted for it twice

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/patriotact20012006senatevote.shtml

You might want to be careful with the stones in your glass house.

 

[Goofyluver]

Are you SERIOUS?!?

Mandating speech?!?

LISTEN UP PEOPLE! THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF OBAMA WINS! YOU WILL ONLY BE ALLOWED TO SAY WHAT OBAMA AND THE FAR LEFT ALLOWS! THEY HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND THE STIFLING OF DISSENTING OPINION!

Fear mongering.

 

[What the Heck]

Well what does "attempt to silence" mean, kinda broad isnt it. And it seems like a phrase with an attempt to incite, but with an easy way out once the full story arises.

If the truth squad was simply protesting with signs that say "shut up, stop lying", would that be an attempt to silence?

As long as they aren't in a police uniform, absolutely. But when someone comes up to you with a badge, saying I'm so and so from the Sheriff's Department or I'm so and so with the District Attorney...wouldn't that be a touch scary?

 

[What the Heck]

Imagine that. Equal time on the public airwaves for the first time in over two decades.

I hope that is indeed one of the very first acts of the new Congress.

Equal time - without equal pay. The Right Wing Talk Shows are on because they make money. The Left Wing Talk Shows aren't because they don't. Whatever happened to Radio USA or whatever it was called? It bombed. Why did Bill Mohr have to move to Showtime? Because he couldn't bring in enough of an audience on regular TV once he showed his true colors.

It isn't about equal time on the "public" airwaves. The "public" didn't purchase those airwaves, someone else has to foot the bill for them.

Are you also in favor of the government going in and telling other industries what the can or cannot do? What product they can or cannot produce?

 

[What the Heck]

Since you quoted me, maybe you should read my post AGAIN. I didn't have to "defend" it because no "defense" is required.He (or rather his campaign) is not attempting to silence free speech. Every single time one or the other of them says something about the other that is considered to be "untrue" or that they are "twisting the truth" or "taking it out of context" the "victim" refutes it and says "that's not true". What is the difference if it is the candidate, the candidate's campaign, or "concerned citizens/supporters". It's still somebody saying "that's not true. Stop telling lies".

Your comment about "I have no defense of Barack Obama's unprecedented assault on free speech" is just like asking somebody if they still beat their wife. It's an outrageous claim.

Then what is your spin on this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/obama-vs-wgn-take-two_n_126764.html

or this?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-obama-mediasep17,0,6325137.story

Or is it your claim that the huffington post is telling lies? Or the Chicago Tribune?

 

[crazyforgoofy]

As long as they aren't in a police uniform, absolutely. But when someone comes up to you with a badge, saying I'm so and so from the Sheriff's Department or I'm so and so with the District Attorney...wouldn't that be a touch scary?

When that happens please contact me. Until then try to relax a little. Stress isn't good for your heart. My husband is an old marine, I worry about old marines.

 

[Goofyluver]

Then what is your spin on this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/obama-vs-wgn-take-two_n_126764.html

or this?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-obama-mediasep17,0,6325137.story

Or is it your claim that the huffington post is telling lies? Or the Chicago Tribune?

Wow. People called and e-mailed their objections to a radio station and its' advertisers.

How dare they.

How about you e-mail them your letter of support, if you are so inclined.

 

[What the Heck]

Yes, I was one of the Kerry t-shirt wearing people who were turned away from a Bush appearance here in Ohio. They asked me to sign a pledge just to get tickets and when I appeared with my t-shirt, I was 'escorted' out of the line by two lineman types. I didn't agree with it then and I don't agree with it now but what's good for the goose....

So, since the practice was started by Saint George, whom we all know you guys hold Holy, why the complaining?

You know, you might have a point on that one. I wouldn't sign a pledge either.

I can kinda understand their point, they don't want any interruptions. Still.

I was a fervant Jimmy Carter supporter at 17 when President Ford came to my high school to speak. It was the newest and largest in the area, it was even mentioned in the Wall Street Journal when it was built in 1973. I even shook the President's hand. I disagreed with him, didn't want him for 4 more years, but it was still special to meet him and shake his hand. To take away that experience from someone is wrong.

 

[rayelias]

Originally Posted by shortbun View Post
Yes, I was one of the Kerry t-shirt wearing people who were turned away from a Bush appearance here in Ohio. They asked me to sign a pledge just to get tickets and when I appeared with my t-shirt, I was 'escorted' out of the line by two lineman types. I didn't agree with it then and I don't agree with it now but what's good for the goose....

So, since the practice was started by Saint George, whom we all know you guys hold Holy, why the complaining?

Actually, it happened rather often at Bill Clinton events too. I know you guys want to blame Bush for everything, but it's clearly not the case. It's been going on for years.

FWIW, if it is a certain candidate's forum or private event, they paid for the event, they're running the event, I don't have a problem with either candidate having standards of what is/isn't shown. If it's a PUBLIC event, or if someone is standing outside of the event (on public property), they should have every right to wear, show, say what they want.

Now, we all know the Obama's would NEVER do anything like that...

It's nothing like how Barack Obama removed the Muslim women from behind him on the stage (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/obama-calls-muslim-women-barred-from-stage/) (http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/06/obama-bans-muslim-women-from-stage-in.html) (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-18-detroit-event_N.htm) (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5845699.html). (I find it humorous how Barack Hussein Obama is running away from his families' religion - and his "former" religion. What's so offensive, Senator?!?)

And, it's nothing like how Michelle Obama wanted more white people behind her on stage (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Obama_advance_Get_me_more_white_people.html) (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=496_1210645235) (http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/new...g/2008/05/tim_smith_plays_the_white_race.html) (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/we-need-more-wh.html)

 

[FayeW]

It's nothing like how Barack Obama removed the Muslim women from behind him on the stage (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/obama-calls-muslim-women-barred-from-stage/) (http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/06/obama-bans-muslim-women-from-stage-in.html) (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-18-detroit-event_N.htm) (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5845699.html). (I find it humorous how Barack Hussein Obama is running away from his families' religion - and his "former" religion. What's so offensive, Senator?!?)

And, it's nothing like how Michelle Obama wanted more white people behind her on stage (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Obama_advance_Get_me_more_white_people.html) (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=496_1210645235) (http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/new...g/2008/05/tim_smith_plays_the_white_race.html) (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/we-need-more-wh.html)

May I ask why you are deliberately posting statements designed to incite when they aren't factually true? You made statements that led me to believe that Barack and Michelle Obama personally went out into the crowd and removed people or rearranged the seating. That simply isn't true. When reading the links you provided, all except one said the people who were asked to move were asked by either volunteers or event co-ordinators, not the candidate or his wife as you would lead us to believe. I feel certain that the McCain campaign, volunteers and event co-ordinators are equally concerned with showcasing his demographic diversity at his events as well.

 

[rayelias]

May I ask why you are deliberately posting statements designed to incite when they aren't factually true? You made statements that led me to believe that Barack and Michelle Obama personally went out into the crowd and removed people or rearranged the seating. That simply isn't true. When reading the links you provided, all except one said the people who were asked to move were asked by either volunteers or event co-ordinators, not the candidate or his wife as you would lead us to believe. I feel certain that the McCain campaign, volunteers and event co-ordinators are equally concerned with showcasing his demographic diversity at his events as well.

Since you decided to only quote PART of my post, I'll presume that you are deliberately posting to incite.

I do, however, take exception to how you define demographic diversity. EXCLUDING a certain religious or ethnic group doesn't seem to promote diversity, if you ask me. But, YMMV.

You'll note that the part of my post you deliberately omitted:

FWIW, if it is a certain candidate's forum or private event, they paid for the event, they're running the event, I don't have a problem with either candidate having standards of what is/isn't shown. If it's a PUBLIC event, or if someone is standing outside of the event (on public property), they should have every right to wear, show, say what they want.

I said the campaign(s) have every right to include/exclude what/who is/isn't shown, in their own private events. As long as either campaign/candidate does not infringe on first amendment rights in a public forum, the event organizers should be able to create the image they wish to portray for their event.

 

[Charade]

Wow. People called and e-mailed their objections to a radio station and its' advertisers.

How dare they.

How about you e-mail them your letter of support, if you are so inclined.

The Tribune-owned station was flooded with calls and e-mails about an hour before an Aug. 27 interview with Stanley Kurtz, a conservative writer who examined Obama's ties to former 1960s radical William Ayers.

This is a well know tactic which is used to essentially GRIDLOCK the station's phone system and email server. It's meant to stifle legitimate callers and possible cause the station to cancel the show. How can you have a "call in" show if your phone system and email is being overrun with calls and emails who's sole purpose is to do just that.

 

[FayeW]

Since you decided to only quote PART of my post, I'll presume that you are deliberately posting to incite.

I do, however, take exception to how you define demographic diversity. EXCLUDING a certain religious or ethnic group doesn't seem to promote diversity, if you ask me. But, YMMV.

You'll note that the part of my post you deliberately omitted:


I said the campaign(s) have every right to include/exclude what/who is/isn't shown, in their own private events. As long as either campaign/candidate does not infringe on first amendment rights in a public forum, the event organizers should be able to create the image they wish to portray for their event.

I quoted the part I quoted because that was the only thing I wanted to comment on and ask for an explaination. YOU said "It's nothing like how Barack Obama removed the Muslim women from behind him on the stage" and "And, it's nothing like how Michelle Obama wanted more white people behind her on stage"!!! Thoses were your words. I clicked on the links you provided expecting to see that Barack and/or Michelle Obama personally asked people to move or said they weren't allowed to sit in a specific spot. That was not the case.

I am asking again why you purposely posted statements you know, from the links you yourself supplied, to be false. Why did you choose to use those specific words rather than "Obama's Campaign", "some volunteers at an Obama event", or the "Event Co-ordinator". The links you provided tell us that it was those people, not the Obama's personally, who removed people from where they were sitting, yet you chose to say that "Barack Obama removed Muslim women" and "Michelle Obama wanted more white people". Why?

 

[Goofyluver]

The Tribune-owned station was flooded with calls and e-mails about an hour before an Aug. 27 interview with Stanley Kurtz, a conservative writer who examined Obama's ties to former 1960s radical William Ayers.

This is a well know tactic which is used to essentially GRIDLOCK the station's phone system and email server. It's meant to stifle legitimate callers and possible cause the station to cancel the show. How can you have a "call in" show if your phone system and email is being overrun with calls and emails who's sole purpose is to do just that.

And the people that phoned and e-mailed have the right to protest.

Like I said before, if you object, why don't you call or e-mail your opinion if you're so inclined?

 

[Charade]

And the people that phoned and e-mailed have the right to protest.

Like I said before, if you object, why don't you call or e-mail your opinion if you're so inclined?

They went beyond just protesting. They were trying to shoutdown someone else's right to free speech. Your rights end when they start to interfere with mine. And visa versa.

They might as well gone and just cut the phone lines.

Are you OK with a protest group blocking access to places of business or public roadways?

If you can't see that they were essentially trying to do something similar to this, then there's nothing else I can say. We'll just have to disagree.

(but I'm right)

 

[Goofyluver]

They went beyond just protesting. They were trying to shoutdown someone else's right to free speech. Your rights end when they start to interfere with mine. And visa versa.

They might as well gone and just cut the phone lines.

Are you OK with a protest group blocking access to places of business or public roadways?

If you can't see that they were essentially trying to do something similar to this, then there's nothing else I can say. We'll just have to disagree.

(but I'm right)

I know what they were trying to do. I know I'm an OS, but I'm not an idiot.

Is it illegal? Nope.

Were they protesting the radio station and trying to bar the piece from taking place? Yup.

And again I'll say...if you have a problem with it...why don't you take to the internet and start a petition. You have the right to. Why don't you start a phone campaign in support of this radio station and the interview to take place? You have the right to.

We see protestors of each candidate all of the time.

If you don't like it...how about you protest?

 

[What the Heck]

I know what they were trying to do. I know I'm an OS, but I'm not an idiot.

Is it illegal? Nope.

Were they protesting the radio station and trying to bar the piece from taking place? Yup.

And again I'll say...if you have a problem with it...why don't you take to the internet and start a petition. You have the right to. Why don't you start a phone campaign in support of this radio station and the interview to take place? You have the right to.

We see protestors of each candidate all of the time.

If you don't like it...how about you protest?

So you are equating an individual protesting to a multi-million dollar campaign shutting down a major radio station for their own purpose?