Banning dairy and eggs at school??

A few things are confusing here.

Is this a private Catholic school like we have here in the states? If so they aren't required to abide by the same policies as the public schools.

The school has a cafeteria. Why are kids eating in their classrooms?

If this child has such severe allergies why in God's name is she buying food from the cafeteria rather than bringing a safe lunch from home?

It seems like they simply need to eat away from the classroom and have a dairy and egg free table for this child and anyone else.
 
I read that she has had 9 anaphalactic reactions. Were any at school? Did I miss that?
 
A few things are confusing here. Is this a private Catholic school like we have here in the states? If so they aren't required to abide by the same policies as the public schools. The school has a cafeteria. Why are kids eating in their classrooms? If this child has such severe allergies why in God's name is she buying food from the cafeteria rather than bringing a safe lunch from home? It seems like they simply need to eat away from the classroom and have a dairy and egg free table for this child and anyone else.
This is a local story for me... In Ontario Catholic schools are not private, they are funded by the government but are run as a ''separate" school board. So yes they do have to follow the same rules as set out by the government Ministry of Education. They child is not buying food at school ( only high schools have school cafeteria's) . This mother is seeking to limit what others can bring . The school has had the child in question eat on her own, she is still have reactions because other children are cross contaminating surfaces.
The are no easy answers to this problem...
 

I read that she has had 9 anaphalactic reactions. Were any at school? Did I miss that?

At least 1 was at school. They think it was cross contamination in the cafeteria. Poutine was 1 of the options and the child ordered just fries. It's why I asked about the child buying lunch rather than bringing it.
 
Poohforyou said:
A few things are confusing here.

Is this a private Catholic school like we have here in the states? If so they aren't required to abide by the same policies as the public schools.

The school has a cafeteria. Why are kids eating in their classrooms?

If this child has such severe allergies why in God's name is she buying food from the cafeteria rather than bringing a safe lunch from home?

It seems like they simply need to eat away from the classroom and have a dairy and egg free table for this child and anyone else.
There is no cafeteria. Elementary schools here do not have cafeterias. The poutine incident was about a different girl who was in high school. Here students in elementary school eat in class rooms.

The girl does bring lunch from home. Like all students.

EDIT: oops, i didnt see the post of mom22belles above. Sorry for the duplicate info.
 
There is no cafeteria. Elementary schools here do not have cafeterias. The poutine incident was about a different girl who was in high school. Here students in ekementary school eat in class rooms.

The girl does bring lunch from home. Like all students.

Thanks to you and mom22belle for clearing things up. I guess I wouldn't get an A for reading comprehension:rotfl:.

I could see where eating in the classroom could be a problem with many food allergies. What do schools do about peanut or gluten allergies?
 
This is a local story for me... In Ontario Catholic schools are not private, they are funded by the government but are run as a ''separate" school board. So yes they do have to follow the same rules as set out by the government Ministry of Education. They child is not buying food at school ( only high schools have school cafeteria's) . This mother is seeking to limit what others can bring . The school has had the child in question eat on her own, she is still have reactions because other children are cross contaminating surfaces.
The are no easy answers to this problem...

If she reacted to unclean surfaces, wouldn't it be easier to clean all the tables after eating rather than banning foods and then attempting to monitor 20-30 lunches?
 
jrmasm said:
If she reacted to unclean surfaces, wouldn't it be easier to clean all the tables after eating rather than banning foods and then attempting to monitor 20-30 lunches?

Yes. That sounds reasonable to me.
 
I understand about the peanut issue as the dust from them they breath it in. But how would she have an attack? Is it by touching it? Or only eating it?

As far as I know with my nephew, it is only eating it.
 
DS has life threatening allergies to egg, milk, soy, peanuts and tree nuts. He is in a public U.S. school. As parents, we have chosen not to request a ban on any of his allergens--but to teach him the life skills he will most likely need for the rest of his life. He wears his epi on him at all times and a MedicAlert bracelet. He knows to never eat any food that we didn't put in his bag. He also has a "special treat box" in the classroom that I have filled with safe snacks in case of birthdays.

It is possible to have ana reactions from contact though it is rare. DS has had reactions (not ana) from contact to egg and milk. We went to Chuck E. Cheese to play (none of us ate) for his bday and within 45 minutes his arms were completely covered from fingertips to shoulders in hives, just from the contamination on the games. We also went to a cheese factory so DH and DD could taste the cheeses. I kept him in a different area than the samples but within 30 minutes his eye was swollen, he was sneezing and had some hives on his face. This too was just from playing in the waiting room with toys that other kids had played with. The one time he touched an egg shell, he wiped his eye and we ended up in the ER because his eye ball was swelling out of his eyelid.

We have very strict precautions set up with the school district to prevent incidents like this. We did not want DS anymore alienated than he already is, so we chose NOT to have him sit at a separate table. He has a desk that is pushed up to the end of the lunch table that is covered with a trash bag at all times, other than when DS sits there. Before and after he eats, the cafeteria staff wipe down his table with wipes (not the same rags they use to clean the tables). No one but DS ever sits at that desk. His class also moves to the lunch room for snack, unlike the rest of the school.

DS NEVER eats anything at school that isn't sent from home. The nurse actually showed a pic of DS to the entire staff during epi training and have instructions to never give him any food under any circumstances. His teacher has also been great about not using food as manipulatives in the classroom. We are so blessed!

It would be impossible to ban all kids from dairy and egg. As a food allergy mom, I would never ask this of anyone. My job is to prepare my child for the world, not to prepare the world for him.

ETA: Handwashing is done by DS' entire class before and after lunch and snacks. BTW--he has had much more severe reactions, including anaphylaxis and hospital stays, but the above were the only contact reactions. He hasn't had much "contact" with his allergens though because we take safety precautions seriously.
 
This touches home for me. My close friend's young DD has just been found to have severe pet allergies. I just got a dog several months ago. The child breaks out in bad hives - and can possibly break out if we even visit her house (without the dog). So for now, until her mom figures this all out, their family is banned from our house and my whole family is banned from her house. We're all sad as our families spend a lot of time together.

Unfortunately, the child is still exposed at school and is still reacting. Her mom is at her wit's end. Kids obviously don't bring pets to school, but obviously the dander they bring in is enough to set the child off. The child has endured a lifetime of itching. Who know what the solution will be?

My son's best friend has a similar problem although thankfully he is not allergic to dogs. Overall, he just deals with constantly itchy peeling skin.

This whole allergy thing is so frustrating for everyone involved.
 
It comes down to this though. If this mother wins, what is next? If we have to ban dairy and eggs for her child, what about the next child who is allergic to fish or shellfish? Or any other ingredient? There is NO way for any public place to keep itself free of all of those. And, sometimes, the rights of the many do have to come before the rights of a small and select few... because there is no other way.
 
She needs to homeschool or private tutor. I am sorry, but if they get this kid their own table, they will be alone at the table, then it will be another issue.

She isn't preparing her kid for the "path". The world isn't going to revolve around her or anyone else.
 
She needs to homeschool or private tutor. I am sorry, but if they get this kid their own table, they will be alone at the table, then it will be another issue.

She isn't preparing her kid for the "path". The world isn't going to revolve around her or anyone else.

:thumbsup2:thumbsup2
 
Why can't the child learn that because of her issues she has to suck it up and eat alone? Yes it completely sucks - but who ever said life is fair? My friend's DD is highly allergic to pet dander - even when there is no pet in sight. Currently, she is reacting badly to all the kids in school who have pets that bring the dander to school. She's not out there screaming that no one should be allowed to have pets.

My son struggles in school. I teach him that he just has to work harder than most kids. Its not fair - but it is what it is.

That said, I completely agree on reasonable accommodations. My kids school is completely scent free because one teacher has major allergies. If she wasnt there, the school would not be scent free. I agree with that.

But to ban eggs and dairy? I understand peanuts because of the airborne peanut particles. From what i understand, it is highly rare that eggs and dairy allergies can be affected by much other than ingestion. If hands contaminating surfaces are an issue, then scrub down every surface after meals. Its a pain, but less than a pain than banning eggs and dairy.
 
This situation does stink. When my son was in elementary school we had a rough go of it because the school was tree nut free. It wasn't just that nut free thing because my son has allergies to some artificial coloring additives too. Also some preservative s give him a rough time. Finding lunch he could eat was rough. His best friend was one of the peanut allergy kiddos, his mom and I discussed the situation. She requested the school just have separate tables. Two other moms pushed for the banning. My son did a lot of an apple or raw veggie and a milk for lunch. If dairy was banned I am not really sure what we would have done that at least got in more than one food group, I'm sure we could have found something though. Lol
 
I'm just trying to figure out how this child survives in the regular world. Not in a mean way but in a curious way. I mean the mall where I live has a big Starbucks in the middle. The milk containers are outside in the food court area. People are walking all around with coffee drinks from there or the Dunkin donuts on the other side of the mall. Kids have milk boxes. Not to mention the egg based sandwiches served at both. Does she never go anywhere? If she's that sensitive that someone eating a cheese sandwich in the same room as her is a problem how does she control people walking down the street?
 
I guess maybe I need to learn some more here or the mom is being unreasonable -- possibly understandably if her kid has had nine anaphylactic episodes. I was under the impression that egg and dairy were ingestion exposure allergies, not contact or inhalation like legumes can be?

Ditto. No where in the article does it indicate that a child who has eaten cheese poses a danger to Elodie if they touch her, or if she touches their desk. The mother does complain that they eat her allergens in front of her, as if the real problem here is Elodie's jealousy that she can't also have cheese. That's something that Elodie simply has to learn to deal with, as it's not going to change over the course of her life.

Now, if Elodie's life is threatened by breathing the same air as someone who has had eggs or dairy, the way peanut allergies can often be that serious, then that is a different matter -- but the article does not really paint that picture.
 
Ditto. No where in the article does it indicate that a child who has eaten cheese poses a danger to Elodie if they touch her, or if she touches their desk. The mother does complain that they eat her allergens in front of her, as if the real problem here is Elodie's jealousy that she can't also have cheese. That's something that Elodie simply has to learn to deal with, as it's not going to change over the course of her life.

Now, if Elodie's life is threatened by breathing the same air as someone who has had eggs or dairy, the way peanut allergies can often be that serious, then that is a different matter -- but the article does not really paint that picture.

It would be extremely rare for someone to have an anaphylactic reaction to dairy or egg in the air. (Many people have reactions while a food is cooking, especially to fish/shellfish.) It is possible by contact (my post above shows DS' reaction to the only direct contact he's had to both dairy and egg) but it is not common to go into anaphylaxis. It definitely could happen though. The issue with her being so young is that the residue stays on other kids hands and transfers to toys, pencils, shared items. If she then uses those items and wipes her eyes, nose, mouth, those proteins can then be ingested. That's why good hand washing by the entire class is so imperative. And what kid doesn't need to wash their hands more?;)

As for the emotional part of it--it is very hard to see your child excluded from every social event. Every school function has tons of food at it. Every holiday party, birthday party, play places. Everywhere. With allergies this severe, these kids cannot eat anything. DS has broken down in tears many times, but for the most part does really well with it. We explain to him that to keep him safe, we need to be careful. He remembers his severe (and not as severe) reactions and wants to avoid them. There are studies that have been published lately regarding bullying and anxiety for food allergy kids that make me want to keep him as little as he is.

Regarding how a kid with a severe food allergy lives--you do avoid certain places. We will not take DS to any hibachi type restaurant or any restaurant that serves peanuts and throw the shells on the ground, etc. The risk is just too high for him. But again--that is on us as his parents to manage and teach him, not to shutdown restaurants like that. We also use lots of wipes to wipe lots of surfaces outside our home (and in our home, actually.) I'm sure we look like crazy people but when you've run into the ER with a swelling, barely breathing, collapsed child in your arms several times, you're okay with looking crazy to other people to keep him safe.:lmao:

We are also blessed with a great support system of friends and family that try to always make sure there is something safe for him to eat when we go to their house. Example--fresh fruit cut with a clean knife on a clean cutting board that never touches any other food. We never ask anyone to do this and always bring his own food, but he is over the moon at that small gesture that the rest of us take for granted.:lovestruc

ETA: One more thought--when non food allergy families hear these stories like Elodie, even if you don't agree with the mother, please have compassion on the child. These little children have been poked, prodded, tested, sent by ambulance, hospitalized, have horrible memories of reactions and have endured way more than kids this age should have to. No matter what, these are still very little children and none of this is within their control.
 





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