Bag check guard opened wallet

[mjr0483]

it is not so much him looking in my wallet. If he had asked I would have gladly opened it for him. It is the fact that my cash and cards were in there. The supervisors argument is we have top open everything with a zipper. In the attached photo all were in my bag and he only chose to open the wallet.

 

[Mickeycrocs]

To be fair they did stop a guy from bringing a gun into the parks... Safety first.

 

[sgc]

Is security done by an outside company or it done by Disney employees.
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[Disney_traveler]

In May I was at the local six flags. I carry one of those aluma-wallets in my pocket so I don't have to worry about important stuff in my bag. You have to remove all stuff from pockets and place in basket before going through walk thru metal detector and then have your bag searches. As soon as I put the wallet in the little basket they asked me to open it. It shocked me and I know I had attitude when I replied "my WALLET???"

 

[Tomh]

I am not at all bothered by the security measures, and the more the better, makes me safer, but I do find it funny at times. Our first few days in the park, I wound up in the metal detector every time, I think 3 days. Rest of the trip, not once, BUT . . . . one time at MK, after I walked through the no bag line, waved on by not one, but two security guards, walked probably 8 or 10 steps past them, and all of a sudden I had 3 security guards running at my son and I, pretty well hollering for me to stop, and empty my pockets.

Now, it certainly isn't a BIG surprise to me that they wanted me to empty my pockets, I wear cargo shorts, and pack the pockets pretty full, but they COULD have simply asked me to do that when I came past them. Waiting like that, then running after me yelling made me feel like I had done something wrong, and certainly made many of the people around me think the same thing judging by the looks on some of their faces.

Once I realized it was me they were running after and yelling at, I stopped, and emptied out my pockets for them, and that was that, have a nice day.

Rest of the trip, I waked through the no bag line, pockets packed just as full, and no one ever said a word to me about them.

 

[Ciandella915]

It would bother me as well. I live in DC, where security is a regular occurrence for life, and I've never experienced that. It is what it is, but it's disconcerting to have that happen. It could just be an inexperienced staffer.

 

[Srbright]

Why on earth would Disney do this other that to cross lines and harass. Common sense....

No, that's not common sense; nor is it harassment. Their rules in park entrance are very clear.

"All persons, bags, parcels, clothing, and other items may be subject to screening/ security checks at the Park entrances and also within the parks".

So de facto when you stepped up to the line you had already given security the approval to go through your items. They had no need, morally or ethically, to ask again. It is up to security to determine what, if any, items that open. If they stood there and asked every person "Ma'am, may I have permission to look in your purse?" "Sir, do you mind if I look in your diaper bag?" then the line would be twice as long. Instead they drone about having everything open for them to look into.

Stacy

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/park-rules/

 

[book_junkie]

I have an acquaintance who's a passholder and has a pacemaker, an older model. Her doctor has told her to ask for pat downs from TSA as they do not want her to go through electronic security monitoring for fear it will damage the pacemaker. She has no problem at the airports as TSA will pat her down AND she has notes from her doctors stating why.

She's been *escorted* off of Disney twice- most recently at Animal Kingdom. She has a doctors note stating she can't go through the metal detector or wanded and has ASK for a pat down when pulled for extra security. She's ASKED for supervisors, and asked for Disney supervisors above the outsourced security when there's been issues. She's talked to Disney management the last time, and been told she has the right to a pat down due to medical issues if pulled, she's STILL getting kicked out of the parks before getting in by refusing the metal detectors that can set off the pace maker.

So while yes, it's private property and Disney's rules, they are not being enforced by the outsourced security personnel.

 

[mjr0483]

There was nobody behind me so him showing some courtesy and asking me to please open the wallet wouldn't have slowed anyone up. And since when do they seem to care about how quickly they get people through security? Quite the opposite when I go through.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

Basically the terrorists have won. We have given up our freedom to have a small sense of security.

Yep. We have given up our freedom for security. And the worst part is, we aren't actually secure. It is all theater.

When you have people walking through the "bagless" line but have cargo shorts stuffed with stuff, but you stop someone to open their wallet, you aren't looking for razor blades. You are play acting at security. It gives enough people the false sense of security, that they allowed more and more invasive searches.

Oh, and the gun they found. Even a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut.

And yes, I go through bag check. They start having the full body scanners there, like they do at the airport, I'll stop going into the park. We all have the line we won't allow them to cross. Some people will reach it before others.

 

[eyehartdisney]

The problem is they are opening small bill fold wallets- but people with baggy cargo shorts obviously bulging with "stuff" walk thru as they don't have bags. The problem is the camera I had strapped around my neck (large dslr)- was not inspected to see if it was a device, but one day at the magic kingdom they open ended up my credit card pouch and flipped thru the cards. The security is very inconsistent and really needs to decide exactly what they are looking for. Receipts or weapons.

I wear those shorts, and I have been flagged to go through security- BEFORE they amped up the security, and since.

 

[Revf]

Every year we go to Disney World.

Every year security seems tighter.

I always carry a backpack, so I know to get ready when I'm at security. I unzip every zipper and open every compartment. This year I was talking to one the security guys while they were feeling around. He told me he knows exactly what they are feeling for. They are trained to key on specifics. I don't understand the wallet.

When we went to Epcot and the guy in front of us was very odd. Long hair, long fingernails, looked way out of place to be coming to a theme park. Security swarmed around him and escorted him out of sight as soon as he approached the gate.

Also security is now inside the theme parks. Plain clothes and uniformed security were aplenty in May.

 

[CampbellzSoup]

I feel so bad for these guards - they're just trying to do their job to make people safe or at least give the illusion of feeling safe. They zipped open you wallet - perhaps they were randomly looking for things that have been hidden in those compartments that weren't previously checked, the world moved on.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I know I am going to get flamed for this but today we went through security at EPCOT and the guard was looking through my backpack and then he did something that irked me a little. He took my wife's zipper wallet and opened it, with her cash and credit cards in it. Even in the name of security, he could have asked me to open it instead of just taking it upon himself.

100% agree that if they want to see in a wallet they should ask the guest to open it.

Frankly Disney should want that as well. It won't be too long before someone claims they have cash or credit card missing. There's zero reason for the guards to open the item themselves.

 

[bumbershoot]

It is the fact that my cash and cards were in there. The supervisors argument is we have top open everything with a zipper.

Do you feel that that small bag looks like a wallet????

I don't. If I were checking zippered items, I would check that and would not even for a second think it looks like a wallet.

I have an acquaintance who's a passholder and has a pacemaker, an older model. Her doctor has told her to ask for pat downs from TSA as they do not want her to go through electronic security monitoring for fear it will damage the pacemaker. She has no problem at the airports as TSA will pat her down AND she has notes from her doctors stating why.

She's been *escorted* off of Disney twice- most recently at Animal Kingdom. She has a doctors note stating she can't go through the metal detector or wanded and has ASK for a pat down when pulled for extra security. She's ASKED for supervisors, and asked for Disney supervisors above the outsourced security when there's been issues. She's talked to Disney management the last time, and been told she has the right to a pat down due to medical issues if pulled, she's STILL getting kicked out of the parks before getting in by refusing the metal detectors that can set off the pace maker.

So while yes, it's private property and Disney's rules, they are not being enforced by the outsourced security personnel.

She needs to talk to her doctor and to contact the manufacturer of her pacemaker to make sure skipping those detectors is necessary.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condi...acemakers_UCM_302013_Article.jsp#.V8POZYVRf8c

Metal detectors for security: Interactions with metal detectors are unlikely to cause clinically significant symptoms in most patients. However, the American Heart Association recommends that you:

• Don't stay near the metal detector longer than is necessary.
• Don't lean against the system.
• If scanning with a hand-held metal detector is necessary, tell the security personnel that you have a pacemaker. Ask them not to hold the metal detector near the device any longer than is absolutely necessary. Or ask for an alternative form of personal search.

http://www.medtronic.com/us-en/patients/treatments-therapies/pacemaker/living-with/daily-living.html

Before walking through an airport security gate, let security personnel know you have a heart device, and show your identification card. Then, walk through the archway at a normal pace and move away from the system if you feel any dizziness or rapid heartbeats. Airport security systems are metal detectors, so the alarm may sound when it detects the metal case of your heart device. If airport security uses an electronic wand to clear passengers, ask the security attendant to avoid placing or waving the wand back and forth over your implanted heart device.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...ble_cardioverter_defibrillator_icd_85,P00227/

It is generally safe to go through airport or other security detectors. They will not damage the pacemaker or ICD. But, tell airport security that you have a pacemaker before you go through security. The device may set off the alarm. Also, if you are selected for a more detailed search, politely remind security not to hold the hand-held metal-detecting wand over the pacemaker for a prolonged period of time (more than a second or two).

 

[yulilin3]

I have an acquaintance who's a passholder and has a pacemaker, an older model. Her doctor has told her to ask for pat downs from TSA as they do not want her to go through electronic security monitoring for fear it will damage the pacemaker. She has no problem at the airports as TSA will pat her down AND she has notes from her doctors stating why.

She's been *escorted* off of Disney twice- most recently at Animal Kingdom. She has a doctors note stating she can't go through the metal detector or wanded and has ASK for a pat down when pulled for extra security. She's ASKED for supervisors, and asked for Disney supervisors above the outsourced security when there's been issues. She's talked to Disney management the last time, and been told she has the right to a pat down due to medical issues if pulled, she's STILL getting kicked out of the parks before getting in by refusing the metal detectors that can set off the pace maker.

So while yes, it's private property and Disney's rules, they are not being enforced by the outsourced security personnel.

all security at the entrance is being done by Disney now, the outside company has been gone for about a month and a half. That's horrible treatment of your friend

 

[yulilin3]

Security is not supposed to just open the zippers, of anything, they do ask people before reaching the bag check, via boards explaining the process, and sometimes CM telling people to take your bags off of your bodies/strollers and open all zippers, pockets and containers. I see a lot of people that don't do this, they still have their purses and backpacks on them when they reach the security person, and then it takes longer to take it off and open all the pockets and zippers. I believe this was a case of a security person being to tired or lazy to ask the poster to open their own wallet.
I would just want to point out that at Universal they have the conveyor belt where you place your bags, it goes through the camera system where a team member monitors it's content and you pick it up on the other side, at Universal they also have about double and sometimes triple the metal detectors and bag checking mechanisms, it's way more eficent that Disney

 

[Srbright]

There was nobody behind me so him showing some courtesy and asking me to please open the wallet wouldn't have slowed anyone up. And since when do they seem to care about how quickly they get people through security? Quite the opposite when I go through.

Why should he ask permission to do something you had already approved of him doing?

Stacy

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

Knives are a real issue here and they often look through your wallet. People hide them in there. I would rather they did this than a person get stabbed. Maybe they should have warned you they were going to do this as you sound a little shocked. As a European I would not have been as I am use to it.

 

[yulilin3]

Every year we go to Disney World.

Every year security seems tighter.

I always carry a backpack, so I know to get ready when I'm at security. I unzip every zipper and open every compartment. This year I was talking to one the security guys while they were feeling around. He told me he knows exactly what they are feeling for. They are trained to key on specifics. I don't understand the wallet.

When we went to Epcot and the guy in front of us was very odd. Long hair, long fingernails, looked way out of place to be coming to a theme park. Security swarmed around him and escorted him out of sight as soon as he approached the gate.

Also security is now inside the theme parks. Plain clothes and uniformed security were aplenty in May.

Security has always been inside the parks, uniformed and plain clothes, they just have the uniformed ones more visible. And i hope that they escorted the guy that you are describing for other reasons other than having long hair, long fingernails and looking out of place. This alone would be wrong, that's why they need more metal detectors and more staff so that everyone goes through the same check, not just picked "randomly"