Bad show disney!!!

[Planogirl]

IN MY OPINION, WDW was better at one time and I was already coming here. There were overall better rides and the food was better and so were the prices. The CM's might have been better too but I'll reserve judgment.

I think that the economy has played a big role in the dumbing down of WDW. I don't blame them for many of the changes but I will always remember when it was better. By the way, I remember back when it was worse too. My rose-colored glasses can change colors.

Again I repeat, this is IN MY OPINION.

 

[Horizons16]

Nope, sorry just a rumor.

He is touring around the country, I believe its called Disney On Ice

 

[declansdad]

I have been to WDW 6 times since 2004 and I don't think things have changed muck. Although I don't have an in with Walt to see what he would think.

 

[Microcell]

Very entertaining thread! (<--needed one of those guys to top it off!)

 

[spacemountainmom]

The thing is that this is not true though. WDW's quality has changed but that's not an inevitability. The original complaint was about WDW maintaining the standards that Disney set for themselves and that the other parks are still able to maintain. Someone argued earlier that if it gave them the budget to do something else they were ok with that and yes maybe something is better then nothing, I get that point. But please don't pretend that change towards lower quality is inevitable because it's not.

It's not about blowing things out of proportion either, these things are basic. It's also not about the internet, we have construction at our parks and regular ride closures for maintenance and it's understood that it's necessary and to be honest I'm quite happy for the inconvenience because the parks are being improved during these times. The whole original argument was that it was bad show and it was. To be honest it doesn't look like discussion is possible because people don't understand the original point.

My point was that things are going to change in the parks. My statement was not about the change in quality, but the physical changes in the parks. It still is laughable to me that people get so bent out of shape over some construction and whether or not things can be "seen". I'm also not sure that means Disney's quality has gone downhill.

I was at the World in January. I saw construction at both the MK and at POFQ. The construction at POFQ was to my benefit....I was able to stay in a refurbished room and I enjoyed it immensely. The construction in the MK didn't look the prettiest, but the next time I go Main Street will look better. In the short term - I have some not as great as usual pictures. In the long term - Main Street has been maintained and updated.

I really don't see any better solution other than to completely close the parks for a refurbish and I am pretty sure that's not going to happen.

 

[spacemountainmom]

I feel better now that you have apologized.

What I DO need counseling for is my addition to WDW and the DIS.

Where can I sign up for that???

 

[WDSearcher]

The thing is that this is not true though. WDW's quality has changed but that's not an inevitability. The original complaint was about WDW maintaining the standards that Disney set for themselves and that the other parks are still able to maintain. Someone argued earlier that if it gave them the budget to do something else they were ok with that and yes maybe something is better then nothing, I get that point. But please don't pretend that change towards lower quality is inevitable because it's not.

It's not about blowing things out of proportion either, these things are basic. It's also not about the internet, we have construction at our parks and regular ride closures for maintenance and it's understood that it's necessary and to be honest I'm quite happy for the inconvenience because the parks are being improved during these times. The whole original argument was that it was bad show and it was. To be honest it doesn't look like discussion is possible because people don't understand the original point.

I don't know that people are debating whether or not it was "good" show or "bad" show -- that is to some extent subjective. Lots of people wouldn't have even noticed; some people do. So, clearly, what's bad show for one person leaves others oblivious.

I think the discussion has been more about OP's reaction to seeing the construction.

 

[goofyernmost]

I don't know that people are debating whether or not it was "good" show or "bad" show -- that is to some extent subjective. Lots of people wouldn't have even noticed; some people do. So, clearly, what's bad show for one person leaves others oblivious.

I think the discussion has been more about OP's reaction to seeing the construction.

And for all the reasons you just mentioned. This is a situation that cannot be remedied. If it bothers you, it bothers you and you need to make adjustments to avoid it. Construction is a fact of life and, as much as they try to limit exposure it just isn't possible or even advisable (as we have seen from the pro-construction observers that have posted).

I know it shouldn't have but I think my reaction to it was not what was said but how it was expressed. The way the drama unfolded into something close to bamboo shoots under the fingernails just kinda hit me wrong. It shouldn't have, I know, but it did.

I have been the Father of two princesses and now a grand princess and two Grand "Arrr" Pirates, and I think I have seen a few 4 years olds and with that experience I know that the attention span of a 4 year old (even a gifted one) is limited.

To make such a big deal out of it was and say Bad Disney, Bad Disney show was just unfair to Disney and what they are trying to build. A place like Disney is open all day, everyday. When are they supposed to build the place. Remember that the people that they are relying on to deliver materials to create the magic are not Disney employees and therefore not under their control. They cannot close off the entire site. If they did the suppliers could not supply and all would stop.

All I ask of people is to be just a tad realistic in their expectations and use the brain to ask yourself, what, really, could have been done about this that would have made the outcome different. If all you can come up with is "I don't know, but there must be something", I would suggest dropping the argument. There used to be a saying that went something like...If you're not part of the solution, you may be part of the problem.

 

[swarlock]

So they showed what was going on behind the curtain. Big whoop. When I go back they'll probably have some poster saying "New Fantasyland Under Construction" or something.

 

[swarlock]

I don't see the big deal at all. I think some people spend way too much time looking for things Disney does wrong. whatever, they are under construction....it's not all going to be roses. get over it.

Bingo!

 

[KellyNY]

And for all the reasons you just mentioned. This is a situation that cannot be remedied. If it bothers you, it bothers you and you need to make adjustments to avoid it. Construction is a fact of life and, as much as they try to limit exposure it just isn't possible or even advisable (as we have seen from the pro-construction observers that have posted).

I know it shouldn't have but I think my reaction to it was not what was said but how it was expressed. The way the drama unfolded into something close to bamboo shoots under the fingernails just kinda hit me wrong. It shouldn't have, I know, but it did.

I have been the Father of two princesses and now a grand princess and two Grand "Arrr" Pirates, and I think I have seen a few 4 years olds and with that experience I know that the attention span of a 4 year old (even a gifted one) is limited.

To make such a big deal out of it was and say Bad Disney, Bad Disney show was just unfair to Disney and what they are trying to build. A place like Disney is open all day, everyday. When are they supposed to build the place. Remember that the people that they are relying on to deliver materials to create the magic are not Disney employees and therefore not under their control. They cannot close off the entire site. If they did the suppliers could not supply and all would stop.

All I ask of people is to be just a tad realistic in their expectations and use the brain to ask yourself, what, really, could have been done about this that would have made the outcome different. If all you can come up with is "I don't know, but there must be something", I would suggest dropping the argument. There used to be a saying that went something like...If you're not part of the solution, you may be part of the problem.

I don't know that people are debating whether or not it was "good" show or "bad" show -- that is to some extent subjective. Lots of people wouldn't have even noticed; some people do. So, clearly, what's bad show for one person leaves others oblivious.

I think the discussion has been more about OP's reaction to seeing the construction.

Comletely agree with both of you.
I also must to add that we have HM pictures thread and Universal board had Harry potter in progress thread. On both threads people were excited to see what is being build and were looking for ways to get a sneak peek. I did not see any posts screaming how it ruined magic for them.
This thread, or reather some reaction seems like over reaction, c'mon, devastated kids juming off the train to stop evil constructors Do not plant ideas into your kids head and do not dramatize infront of them. Kids pick your reaction and if you will tell them how horrible and sad it is, they will cry. Tell them how exciting it is to get a new area in park and they will jump up and down, even a "gifted" kid.

 

[centurythree]

Disney has never really been "as close to perfection as realistically possible." I can remember trips in the late 1970s where we had bad CS food, had to stand in line forever for popular rides (with no FP available), encountered indifferent CMs, and saw > gasp! < painters at work on Main Street. However, because "the good old days" are always better than the "now", the bad moments kind of fade into the collective fuzziness of the memory. (Because back in the 70s, digital cameras didn't exist, nor did the Internet, and so people didn't exhaustively document every bit of chipped paint or burned-out lightbulb and share that information in chat rooms, so that everyone else can go visit WDW and specifically look for stuff that's wrong so that they can come back and be indignant too.)

Disney has, at some level, always sacrificed it's standards for profits. Look at all the really bad movies that came out during the Card Walker years when everything was one big formula, and the catchphrase was "put the Disney name on it and people will buy it." But again ... no Facebook pages or DIS boards to discuss things on. If people were indignant, they just kind of kept it to themselves. And then Little Mermaid came along and fixed the problem.

I don't think that the company has changed near as much as the reporting system has changed. Someone sees a bit of backstage construction and so they report on how horrible it is to see that, causing more and more people to go and look at it when otherwise they'd have never noticed. Someone gets to wake up Tinkerbell and they talk about it and then other people get mad because they didn't get to wake up Tinkerbell on their trips and that's then somehow Disney's fault.

I think if people looked at Disney history without the benefit of nostalgia, they'd see that Disney has always been a very "human" place. Even the opening day of Disneyland was fraught with problems, including not enough food, asphalt that literally melted under peoples' feet, and shows that were under-rehearsed disasters. But no one remembers that part. Just like ten years from now, no one is going to remember that moment on the train when they saw Mickey's house being demo'd or the time they met a grumpy CM. And if they DO remember it, it will be as kind of a funny anecdote about their trip "back in 2010".

One of the best posts I've seen on the DIS in months!

 

[SDSorority]

This really doesn't bother me. Might be because I never liked Toontown....

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

So.....

did anyone notice that it seems WDW has addressed this situation? If you scroll down a little more than halfway down this article you will see a picture of the signs added to fencing at the Toontown station where the train stops for water.

http://www.mouseplanet.com/9561/Walt_Disney_World_Resort_Update

 

[pigletto]

Wow. A lot of strong opinions. I rode the train for the first time last week. The signs were up by then. Honestly my only thought was "Gee.. I wish I'd ridden this train sooner.. it's so relaxing"
Honestly.. it was no big deal.

 

[Queenofspoons]

The only way I think we could fix this is by closing in the TT station and putting a screen that plays a preview of the Fantasy Land Expansion and add new conductor naration to tell you what it is, whatever it takes for guest from watching construction.

 

[maxiesmom]

The only way I think we could fix this is by closing in the TT station and putting a screen that plays a preview of the Fantasy Land Expansion and add new conductor naration to tell you what it is, whatever it takes for guest from watching construction.

They can't. The train has to take on water at that stop.