BAD Disney Experience...

LOL, while everyone keeps saying their first thought was "what did you want the CM to do?",
My first thought was "she was picking the flowers at Epcot?"

Lol mine too,but I honestly understand the childs disappointment and think that a few kind words from one of the cm's would of been nice and help to ease her disappointment somewhat and I do not think anything of a 3 yr old being totally upset from this situation afterall she is only 3 not 13,I would of never wanted my child to be emotionless at this age but I guess different strokes for different folks
 
The magic is kept under wraps regardless of the age of the person you are killing the magic for.
Clearly that's not true, or the CMs on the DIS would not regularly discuss the Characters in the way that they do.

CM's in entertainment particularly can get in major trouble for doing what you are suggesting. But I guess the CM should have jepordized thier job so snowflake wouldn't be upset?
CMs in entertainment can get in trouble for loudly proclaiming "there are 42 girls who play Snow White" in front of a group of children. No one would have gotten in trouble if a CM had discreetly said to the parent, "Snow White is also available at location ABC".

not to mention (again) Snow White doesn't appear anywhere else in Epcot or elsewhere on a regular basis for that matter.
It's kind of amazing where Snow White can pop up if she's needed.

A MUCH better response from any of the character CMs would have been to apologize for not telling the OP sooner that Snow White was unavoidably delayed and wouldn't make it out. After which, the CM could have mentioned the other princesses at Epcot who were available and where to find them. They could have also suggested that the OP stop by Guest Relations in Future World to find out if Snow White would be available later in the day (provided she was feeling better / was finished helping the Dwarfs). They could have even offered to call themselves, since there's a phone right behind the wall, and it's a pretty quick call to find out if Snow is planning to be anywhere else that day. And a really over-the-top response would have been to find out where the OP and her daughter were staying so that they could send over one of the autographed postcards that they have piles of backstage.

All of the things I (and others) have listed are normal Disney-level service and have nothing to do with whether or not the child is considered a "snowflake" (which is a completely overused term that I really hate). The CMs in this situation had many options other than just shrugging and going upon their day, particularly since they hadn't bothered to come out at Snow White's scheduled time and let people know that she wouldn't be out.

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ah, whatever. I'm not trying to attack you. A simple "tut, tut, there, there" a few hugs, and onto the next magical thing would be my approach.

Instead you said you wanted to leave the park over it. That's an outsized reaction IMO but what the heck do I know. Carry on and godspeed and thanks for a fun thread.

Thanks... you know, I was starting to feel, um, sorta, attacked :) I guess it was like, we save for 3 years for this trip and THIS is what happens? It I wanted her to have a tantrum I could have stayed home! So I was totally frustrated and that response wasn't warranted. The rest of our time there erased that feeling. I am definitely tempering my expectations for the next time.
 

Maybe Snow wasn't really sick at all and they were just trying to let you down as gently as possible. Things happen.

Once while eating in at Chefs de France we were waiting and waiting for Remy to come back out and they said he got sick, too.
 
Clearly that's not true, or the CMs on the DIS would not regularly discuss the Characters in the way that they do.


CMs in entertainment can get in trouble for loudly proclaiming "there are 42 girls who play Snow White" in front of a group of children. No one would have gotten in trouble if a CM had discreetly said to the parent, "Snow White is also available at location ABC".


It's kind of amazing where Snow White can pop up if she's needed.

A MUCH better response from any of the character CMs would have been to apologize for not telling the OP sooner that Snow White was unavoidably delayed and wouldn't make it out. After which, the CM could have mentioned the other princesses at Epcot who were available and where to find them. They could have also suggested that the OP stop by Guest Relations in Future World to find out if Snow White would be available later in the day (provided she was feeling better / was finished helping the Dwarfs). They could have even offered to call themselves, since there's a phone right behind the wall, and it's a pretty quick call to find out if Snow is planning to be anywhere else that day. And a really over-the-top response would have been to find out where the OP and her daughter were staying so that they could send over one of the autographed postcards that they have piles of backstage.

All of the things I (and others) have listed are normal Disney-level service and have nothing to do with whether or not the child is considered a "snowflake" (which is a completely overused term that I really hate). The CMs in this situation had many options other than just shrugging and going upon their day, particularly since they hadn't bothered to come out at Snow White's scheduled time and let people know that she wouldn't be out.

:earsboy:

Excellent and extremely appropriate suggestions! :thumbsup2
 
Then, the handler told me that Snow White needed to take a break and would be back in 15 minutes. I didn't think my 3-year old would wait that long, but she sat there, more patiently than I'd ever seen her, just waiting. While she was waiting, she picked a flower for Snow White, thought of questions she'd ask her, etc. etc. Well, 15 minutes became 20, and 20 became 30. I wanted to leave, but I couldn't do that to my daughter. Finally, the photographer came out and said that Snow White was "busy helping the dwarves" and couldn't come out (she'd actually gotten sick).

Well, my daughter was hysterical. She cried and cried and cried and nothing I could do would make her feel better. The other cast members there just shrugged and said they were sorry.

First, I'm impressed at your daughter's dedication that she waited.:thumbsup2 But I'm thinking that unless you told the CM "Okay, we are going to sit here and wait until she comes back out" how would the CM, who was by now involved in helping a sick fellow CM, even know you were still out there well beyond the time she hoped SW would be back? If she's an experienced CM she probably never would have dreamed a 3YO would have waited that long, having seen most others bail in 5 minutes. And when she did finally think of you again (in the midst perhaps of tending to sick SW) she did think to send out the photographer to let you know of the change in plans. Unfortunately in this situation I'm assuming you were not the only thing on her mind. The character meet was already in progress when you showed up...the illness ended it early, but perhaps by the time they realized the severity of the whole situation all they could do was wait for the next Snow White to show up for the next scheduled meet and greet. Once a scheduled meet is over they were not obligated to send a character out until the next scheduled time. It was her mistake for giving you a specific time, but she was probably just thinking of getting SW out of there fast. Yes, there could have been a few more genuine "oh I'm sorry sweeties" for your daughter from the CMs but remember that many of them are college kids, all with very different personalities and experiences dealing with small children. This does not make them a bad Disney employee - it just means they haven't necessarily dealt with kids before. I agree, a sticker would have been nice, but as far as getting her a treat, a balloon, etc...CMs can't just walk over to another CMs cart and take something for a guest...they are all responsible for the merchandise or the appropriate amount of money. Maybe a manager could do something like that but there just aren't managers with that authority standing around necessarily.


You do not go to Disney World expecting to be treated like a number. You don't go there to have your expectations met, you go there to have them exceeded. That is what makes it Disney World. That's why we pay the extra $ to go there.
Ginny, this is directed at everyone - I'm just commenting with my opinion, not singling you out specifically... But honestly...how does Disney know what YOUR (everyone - mine yours my neighbors...) expectations are? They DON'T...so how can they meet, not meet or exceed them. I think one of the downfalls of this board is people read things and imagine this grand magical out-of-this world experience and those expectations can not be met. It's a theme park. A hot, crowded, expensive theme park with good and bad employees and rides that break down. Unfortunately we are just a number - that's what my expectation actually is...it's a business. We aren't paying extra $ to make it a better experience than any other park - we are paying just about the same as other parks with similar facilities. If Disney gave us a list of exactly what to expect at their parks and they didn't meet those expectations, then we have reason to complain. But there is always that fine print *subject to change* *can change without prior notice* and Snow White being sick and not coming out again is one of those situations.

The cast member that was working the end of that line struck up a converstation with my son. After talking with him, he took us to the front of the line for the ride. He didn't have to do that and our trip would not have been ruined had he not. But we remember that to this day and it didn't cost Disney one dime.

Sure, nice for you , but there were 50 people back here on the DisBoards complaining about that family that butted ahead of them for no apparent reason :rotfl:

i think some people do have a hard time interacting with a child. Especially someone who doesn't spend much time with children.
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My youngest is 4, and he is about to visit for the 4th time. One thing we have learned at Disney is to carry a stash of the small mickey head suckers and stickers. It may not help with a situation that has already occurred, but it's good to have in the arsenal in case you are in this situation in the future. It would have been nice if the CM had been nicer, but maybe next time it will be a little easier.
 
I agree, a sticker would have been nice, but as far as getting her a treat, a balloon, etc...CMs can't just walk over to another CMs cart and take something for a guest...they are all responsible for the merchandise or the appropriate amount of money. Maybe a manager could do something like that but there just aren't managers with that authority standing around necessarily.

This actually does happen. Maybe because it was a character that did it and not a CM, but we had Briar Bear signing DD's book. Our pen ran out of ink. He played it very well, all disgusted and such and then he walked over to the souvienr cart and took one of the big pens, finished signing and gave her the pen. I hear stories like this all the time. Not saying it should have happened for this instance, but it does happen.
 
This is a very good example of the double-edged sword Disney has created in their customer service. Disney markets itself as delivering the best, "magical" experience possible. They promote themselves as the vacation destination of the world and share pictures of smiling children in empty parks running up to happy characters 24/7 with no lines. They go out of their way to encourage their CMs to provide magical experiences for each and every guest, numbering in the hundreds of thousands of people in the park each and every day.

Unfortunately there is something Disney cannot account for, their CMs are human. Humans make mistakes. I'm sure no one who has posted on this thread has been perfect in their job all the time and have never made a mistake. It's a huge disappointment when it happens to you, that cannot be denied. From the littlest error to a vacation-ruining experience, people pay a lot of money to go to Disney and they want to make sure they have not spent that money for nothing.

No one is wrong in this scenario. Moms want their children to have magical experiences and love Disney as much as they do. CMs who care about their jobs want to provide those experiences to guests but also maintain relationships with their fellow CMs. Without being there, you have no idea what was going on backstage. People are people, not perfect, CMs and guests alike.
 
This actually does happen. Maybe because it was a character that did it and not a CM, but we had Briar Bear signing DD's book. Our pen ran out of ink. He played it very well, all disgusted and such and then he walked over to the souvienr cart and took one of the big pens, finished signing and gave her the pen. I hear stories like this all the time. Not saying it should have happened for this instance, but it does happen.

I know they can be really hard on the people with the carts - if they are off on their money a few times they can be terminated...so hope Briar Bear paid ;)
 
I don't think this necessarily qualifies as a BAD experience, but there are some super harsh posts here on the OP. Can you seriously say that you wouldn't be at least a little bit irritated and saddened for your child? That doesn't make you a helicopter parent who thinks that your kid is a snowflake. And while I don't think that the CM did anything blatantly WRONG here, I think it could have been handled better.

Think of it this way, this was this family's very first exposure to WDW. They may have been tired from traveling (I know that makes me crabby!). And right off the bat, their little girl gets disappointed. Through no real fault of Disney, to be sure, but it's still a bummer, and the OP has every right to be bummed. And the little girl had every right to be sad, and I can very well imagine a 3 year old saying she wanted to go home!

An anecdote: on a trip we had last year, we drove from Iowa. We left at 5 and stopped about an hour and a half later at a McDonald's for dinner. All was well and we went on our merry way and plan to drive through the night. DD, who was 6, noted a few minutes after we drove off that she had dropped a beloved stuffed friend and couldn't reach her. We said we'd get her when next we stopped, which was maybe 60 miles down the road when we were going to change them into PJs and brush their teeth. Well. Beloved stuffed friend was NO WHERE TO BE FOUND. DD was frantic and hysterical, I called the McDonald's and they looked, but although we assume she fell out in the parking lot, no one could find her. It was then, in the first few hours of our trip to Disney World, that DD wailed that it was the worst trip ever and she wanted to go home.

Eventually she got over it (long and complicated story) and we had a great trip, but it put a cloud over things at first. Little kids are by nature a bit selfish and live in the moment, and a 3 year old who cries as a result of a disappointment like that isn't a brat. She's just normal.

To summarize: no one was at fault here, but the CM could have handled things better and turned a bad moment into a magical one. It's too bad that didn't happen. I still wouldn't call it a bad experience, but I can't blame her for disappointment.
 
I've been quietly reading thru all these pages and figuratively biting my tongue most of the time. By now I think I need stitches.....

It all comes back to the OP's first post and her remarks about having expectations for a totally magic vacation. You're an ADULT for heaven's sake. Where on earth do you think you will ever have a vacation that is only filled with pixie dust from dawn til dark? Stuff happens. Even at WDW. Your daughter having a melt down after an unfortunate disappointment is too bad, but that's life. You were given an explanation for Snow White's no show. Expecting anything more is where the 'entitlement' remarks came from. The old "I'm disappointed so you have to make it all better" refrain. And frankly it is up to you to manage your daughter's tantrums, not the CMs. If this episode has taught you anything, I hope it was that it was your own expectations that were out of line with reality.
 
Oh, and for those who asked where I met the dwarves, they were at MNSSHP the year we went. We waited an hour, but it was definitely worth it.


So....you are complaining about something that happened months ago or years ago?

I think someone is trollin down the river. :rolleyes:
 
LOL, while everyone keeps saying their first thought was "what did you want the CM to do?",
My first thought was "she was picking the flowers at Epcot?"

Mine too! I hate it when people allow their little darlings to wreak havoc on the parks. And to me, that in itself screams "snowflake". No thought that the parks are made pretty for everyone to enjoy, no, lets go pick some of the flowers.:sad2: Unfortunately I've seen that behavior in the Poly and out front by the Crystal Palace. It just blows my mind that the parents don't even care.

OP-- Even having said that, I really am sorry your child was disappointed. And while it may have been a bad Disney experience, I'm sure a sick Snow White would have gave your child a worse Disney experience. You learned the hard way you can't really expect to have a perfect Disney vacation. Stuff happens, and you have to learn to roll with it. As others have pointed out, they can't just tell you to go find Snow White somewhere else. And no, I don't believe anyone needs to be compensated for every little letdown.
 
Sorry your child was disappointed but their cast member was sick. I'm trying to think of exactly what they could have done that would have made it better. Realistically I wouldn't consider monetary compensation necessary for this.

I'm also not going to assume that they didn't know Snow White was too sick to make any more appearances that day any earlier than the amount of time the OP waited. Nor do I think CMs have the obligation to do anything to calm disappointed hysterical children. If they choose to, OK, but they aren't required to.
 
First, I'm impressed at your daughter's dedication that she waited.:thumbsup2 But I'm thinking that unless you told the CM "Okay, we are going to sit here and wait until she comes back out" how would the CM, who was by now involved in helping a sick fellow CM, even know you were still out there well beyond the time she hoped SW would be back? If she's an experienced CM she probably never would have dreamed a 3YO would have waited that long, having seen most others bail in 5 minutes. And when she did finally think of you again (in the midst perhaps of tending to sick SW) she did think to send out the photographer to let you know of the change in plans. Unfortunately in this situation I'm assuming you were not the only thing on her mind. The character meet was already in progress when you showed up...the illness ended it early, but perhaps by the time they realized the severity of the whole situation all they could do was wait for the next Snow White to show up for the next scheduled meet and greet. Once a scheduled meet is over they were not obligated to send a character out until the next scheduled time. It was her mistake for giving you a specific time, but she was probably just thinking of getting SW out of there fast.
I think it's funny that so many posters (not necessarily you... :) ) seem to think that "Snow White is sick" is somehow equated with the Character performer needing an ambulance or immediate medical care. For all we know, she was hungover with a headache and just couldn't imagine having to spend four more hours hugging children. She could have simply not felt good and wanted to go home. Characters are just like any other employee -- they don't necessarily have a better work ethic because they're a "princess". Sometimes they just feel crappy and ask to leave. :sick: Sometimes they go home sick when they're really not. Yeah, they'll get docked for it, but it happens.

Yes, there could have been a few more genuine "oh I'm sorry sweeties" for your daughter from the CMs but remember that many of them are college kids, all with very different personalities and experiences dealing with small children. This does not make them a bad Disney employee - it just means they haven't necessarily dealt with kids before. I agree, a sticker would have been nice, but as far as getting her a treat, a balloon, etc...CMs can't just walk over to another CMs cart and take something for a guest...they are all responsible for the merchandise or the appropriate amount of money. Maybe a manager could do something like that but there just aren't managers with that authority standing around necessarily.
Actually, pretty much any CM is able to pop into a merch location and get something small for "guest recovery". Granted, not all of them are comfortable doing it, but it's one of the small latitudes that they have. Most locations have stickers behind the register, even the merch carts have them. And -- depending on the circumstance -- CMs can ask for a lot more. I don't necessarily think that this particular situation warranted someone handing out an autograph book or a free Mickey bar or balloon, but asking the merch cart for a sticker is pretty common.

Ginny, this is directed at everyone - I'm just commenting with my opinion, not singling you out specifically... But honestly...how does Disney know what YOUR (everyone - mine yours my neighbors...) expectations are? They DON'T...so how can they meet, not meet or exceed them. I think one of the downfalls of this board is people read things and imagine this grand magical out-of-this world experience and those expectations can not be met. It's a theme park. A hot, crowded, expensive theme park with good and bad employees and rides that break down. Unfortunately we are just a number - that's what my expectation actually is...it's a business. We aren't paying extra $ to make it a better experience than any other park - we are paying just about the same as other parks with similar facilities. If Disney gave us a list of exactly what to expect at their parks and they didn't meet those expectations, then we have reason to complain. But there is always that fine print *subject to change* *can change without prior notice* and Snow White being sick and not coming out again is one of those situations.
I totally absolutely completely disagree with this. :goodvibes Disney knows what our expectations are because they have put those ideas in our heads. They show us commercials with one little kid walking down Main Street holding Mickey's hand. They show us happy smiling people in spotless restaurants and laughing children meeting princesses. They tell us on every single piece of advertising that Disney is magical -- the happiest place on earth -- where dreams come true -- where magic lives -- and on and on. They have taught us all, over the years, to expect more from Disney than from any other theme park on the planet. And we have bought it all, hook line and sinker. Every time Disney says "Have a magical day" they are telling us exactly what we should expect -- a MAGICAL day. And if we don't have that, then they have not met the expectations that they, themselves, have set up for us.

I totally blame Disney for this. :laughing: They've shot themselves in the foot over and over again by promising something that they may not be able to deliver. But I also love them for making that promise and doing their best to convince me that the magic is attainable in a world where we all realistically know it's not.

:earsboy:
 
Gosh, you guys are tough. I am not one to complain, and in fact I didn't... there are some squeaky wheels that would have demanded attention, but I just told them it was a shame because she'd never waited 40 minutes so patiently in her life, then took my bawling child and walked away. After waiting 25 minutes longer than I was told... it would have been nice if someone had come out and told us earlier. I mean, first hour in Disney World ever, and this is what happens?

I suppose I would have liked some compassion, rather than shrugging and being like "Whatever." Smiles would've been nice. And yes, telling us where we might be able to see another character would have been great. Many cast members do seem to know how to go above and beyond... because I'm sure I'm not the first person this has happened to. Instead, they were really rude and indifferent.

You do not go to Disney World expecting to be treated like a number. You don't go there to have your expectations met, you go there to have them exceeded. That is what makes it Disney World. That's why we pay the extra $ to go there. Now, I know every organization has its bad apples, but there were several cast members there. If this is something that happens often and you have all experienced it, then I guess it wasn't a rare thing? Say it isn't so!

From this post it looks as if your expectations could neither be met or exceeded. Snow White was unable to come back onstage and your 3 year old threw a fit. Aren't our kids fun? I would have looked for something to do and she would have gotten over it. This happened in October and now you post about it? Sorry, it isn't just the 3 year old who needs to grow up.
 
So....you are complaining about something that happened months ago or years ago?

I think someone is trollin down the river. :rolleyes:
I think the Snow White meeting and meeting the Dwarfs are two different conversations that just happened to be in the same thread.

Kind of hard to follow some of the tangents, but they're two different things.

:earsboy:
 


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