Bachelor Jake -- no-spoiler thread

[happygirl]

Are you kidding...Chris probably TOLD her to say that! Its all about ratings. After 14 Bachelor seasons, they need to do something to keep the audience.

100% disagree with you. There is no way he would lower himself to that level. That would get back to his kids and hurt them to know there dad was trying to mess around with another women, There is no way any parent would do that to there kids.

 

[cruiserkaren]

I honestly don't have an opinion on whether I think most of this show is set up or not. It is my 1st season so I may swing one way or the other somewhere down the line. I know that for now I'm taking this show for what it is. Entertainment. I like to watch it. It's entertaining. That's enough for me.

 

[AlienBrain]

Did everyone like that great job interview that Ali did last night for next season's bachelorette? That was a good one... "I fell in love on that show ... and I think it's stupid of Michelle to say that you can't fall in love on that show because you can ... I am taking the high road and promoting the Bachelor franchise so everyone is going to like me for the next season of the Bachelorette." She essentially accepted her offer to be on the next season's Bachelorette last night.

Also, the Rozlyn thing STILL seems very fishy to me. I'm not saying that she didn't do anything, but I do think that she could have been planted as an actress because Chris made it into a bigger deal than it really was. Also, how can you fire someone for something that has no concrete evidence besides heresay. Heck, if they thought something was going on, don't you think they could have set up the producer and not told him where the cameras were to just get him on tape doing what he was supposedly doing with Rozlyn? Something doesn't add up. They could have caught them if they wanted to, but they didn't. Anyway ... I think everyone was already over the Rozlyn thing, but according to Chris, she was the 1,000 pound elephant in the room ... puh-leez. The 1,000 pound elephant in the room is the Vienna beef. Get with the program, dude.

Things like the fake phone call with Ali (http://realitysteve.com/2010/02/11/news-on-alis-phone-call-to-jake/) and so many more set up things make a lot of what happens on this show so fake, so I still can't make an educated decision on what happened with Rozlyn. Heck, if they can set up a fake Ali and Jake phone call, why can't they set up a "hidden camera" filming of the "scandal." Hmmm....

 

[kimmar067]

Are you kidding...Chris probably TOLD her to say that! Its all about ratings. After 14 Bachelor seasons, they need to do something to keep the audience.

... I dunno - that was pushin' the envelope a little TOO much.....but, for only being a 'friend', Rozlyn sure seemed to know a lot of details about that producer's personal life....

 

[kimmar067]

Wow Jason & Molly having a live t.v. wedding

...BLECCCHHH!!! I DRAW THE LINE at circus weddings....

 

[Robinrs]

100% disagree with you. There is no way he would lower himself to that level. That would get back to his kids and hurt them to know there dad was trying to mess around with another women, There is no way any parent would do that to there kids.

Wow..

Tiger Woods
John Edwards
Governor Sanford

and THESE GUYS: http://www.spitefulcritic.com/2009/...ed-on-their-wives-and-why-it-shouldnt-matter/

 

[kimmar067]

Wow..

Tiger Woods
John Edwards
Governor Sanford

and THESE GUYS: http://www.spitefulcritic.com/2009/...ed-on-their-wives-and-why-it-shouldnt-matter/

 

[Robinrs]

Did everyone like that great job interview that Ali did last night for next season's bachelorette? That was a good one... "I fell in love on that show ... and I think it's stupid of Michelle to say that you can't fall in love on that show because you can ... I am taking the high road and promoting the Bachelor franchise so everyone is going to like me for the next season of the Bachelorette." She essentially accepted her offer to be on the next season's Bachelorette last night.

Also, the Rozlyn thing STILL seems very fishy to me. I'm not saying that she didn't do anything, but I do think that she could have been planted as an actress because Chris made it into a bigger deal than it really was. Also, how can you fire someone for something that has no concrete evidence besides heresay. Heck, if they thought something was going on, don't you think they could have set up the producer and not told him where the cameras were to just get him on tape doing what he was supposedly doing with Rozlyn? Something doesn't add up. They could have caught them if they wanted to, but they didn't. Anyway ... I think everyone was already over the Rozlyn thing, but according to Chris, she was the 1,000 pound elephant in the room ... puh-leez. The 1,000 pound elephant in the room is the Vienna beef. Get with the program, dude.

Things like the fake phone call with Ali (http://realitysteve.com/2010/02/11/news-on-alis-phone-call-to-jake/) and so many more set up things make a lot of what happens on this show so fake, so I still can't make an educated decision on what happened with Rozlyn. Heck, if they can set up a fake Ali and Jake phone call, why can't they set up a "hidden camera" filming of the "scandal." Hmmm....

 

[AlienBrain]

I don't know if you saw this interesting nugget posted today on realitysteve:

Which brings us to Rozlyn. I have good news. I will have an interview with Rozlyn up on the site this week. I’m hoping Thursday. For weeks now, all we’ve heard is Rozlyn in short sound bites, edited clips, and on the defensive. Now, it’s gonna be her turn. Since the beginning of the season, I’ve written down every complaint and question people have had regarding Rozlyn in hopes that the interview would finally come about. She will get asked ALL of those questions and more. But rather than seeing her on a tabloid TV show for three or four minutes, you know how my interviews go. I’m expecting it to be rather long. Rozlyn will definitely have to answer all the questions everyone has had since day one regarding her. Sure, the basic answers are going to be ones you’ve probably already heard her say, but there will be stuff that the tabloids haven’t gotten into (or at least haven’t shown), that I’ll be able to get to since there’s no time constraints. This will be an interview you don’t want to miss. I’m looking forward to it. I’m aiming to air the interview on Thursday, barring any unforeseen circumstances. In the meantime, I want to touch on a couple issues regarding her appearance from last night.

The two most outspoken people last night in terms of “details” regarding the alleged “inappropriate relationship”, were Ella and Jessie. I will discredit what they said right now. First, let’s begin with Ella. Three weeks ago, she gave her post show interview. You can read the full interview here, but here’s the part of the interview where speaks about Rozlyn:

“First of all, I have to say that I really think that Rozlyn is a good person,” she told Reality TV World, adding the two had discussed how they were both mothers.

“I really did not see a lot with her and the producer. I saw them being very friendly with each other. I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary. So I have to say no, I wasn’t one of the ones who went to the producers.”

Due to all the media attention surrounding Papa, Nolan added she’s not envious of her.

“She’s dealing with a lot right now and I would not want to be in her shoes,” she told Reality TV World.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. So three weeks ago, Ella is telling everyone she feels bad for Rozlyn, never saw anything out of the ordinary, and that Rozlyn is a good person. Yet last night, she’s on the attack telling a story about Rozlyn on all fours on the couch with her *** in the air. Don’t you think that would be considered “out of the ordinary”? Are you kidding me? Did that just happen to slip your mind during this interview, even though you told it twice last night? Ummmm, Ella is lying. Plain and simple. Just read what Ella said three weeks ago above about Rozlyn, then remember what she said last night. Ya’ think she made that up? How anyone can believe anything that Ella said last night after reading this interview from three weeks ago is beyond me. Totally fabricated. Now Ella is claiming today she wanted to tell Rozlyn to her face rather than in a tabloid? Didn’t have to be a tabloid, Ella. This was your post show interview. That’s not tabloid stuff, that’s media you’re required to do by the show. And if you wanted to tell Rozlyn to her face, wouldn’t you either call/text/email her beforehand rather than sniping at her on the show when you hadn’t seen her since she was booted. Very motherly of you, I’d say. Your son would be proud.

As for Jessie, in the first hour of the show, when they asked the girls their thoughts on Rozlyn (when she wasn’t there), this is when she first tells the story of what she saw. She said it was “the day before Rozlyn got booted, I went inside because I wasn’t feeling well, I heard something on the stairs, and the producer was laying down with Rozlyn on top of him making out.” Fine. Great story. Yet when Rozlyn came out, Jessie’s story was “We were all by the pool, I came inside and saw you making out with the producer.” Jessie should probably get her stories straight. And if these two were making out “on the stairs with Rozlyn on top of the producer”, you’re telling me that NOT ONE CAMERA CAUGHT THAT? According to Jessie’s BS, they weren’t even hiding it. Just right there in the stairwell, yet, the cameras completely missed it! Wow! What a coincidence! If people want to study body language and speech pattern on Rozlyn and have a field day with that, so be it. Just do it on Ella and Jessie too. When Jessie was telling her story both times, I felt like she was trying to remember lines and hoping not to screw it up. In the first hour, she even got cotton mouth for a second and almost choked on a sentence.

After Jessie got eliminated, she did two interviews that I saw: a sit down interview in her hometown in Canada, and one with TVGuide.com, and in each one was asked about Rozlyn. The Canada interview was on TV and the host asked, “Ok, let’s talk about the big elephant in the room Rozlyn. There was scandal surrounding her. How’d you feel about Rozlyn?” So, considering how hard Jessie came at Rozlyn last night, for sure she’s already told that story before, right? Surely she’s had that story saved up for anybody that would stick a mic in front of her to finally let loose? Not quite. When pressed about Rozlyn after being booted, this was all Jessie said about her on a TV interview in Canada:

“She was a nice girl, she’s very flirtatious, and you know, everyone was crying when the news came out and when she was sent home. But, I’m like, ‘Why are you crying?’ This is one less girl you have to worry about’.”

Ummmm, that’s it? That’s all you had to say a couple weeks ago, yet, last night you’ve been holding in this deep, dark, scandalous secret about two people on top of each other on the stairs making out? Didn’t bother to ever mention that during your time on the show or before last night, huh? Oh, ok. Verrrrrrry believable. Then the capper of it all, here was the question and answer she gave to TVGuide.com back on Jan. 28th:

TVG: Let’s talk about Rozlyn for a second. Were you privy to what some of the other girls saw?

Jessie: I didn’t see anything, but I heard that other people might have seen something, but we all got over it and past it pretty quickly. We never really talked about it in the house again after that night.

That really sounds like a woman who really cared about what was going on with Roz and the producer. Admits to not seeing anything, then says she hears some things, but everyone was over it pretty quickly and moved past it. Really? Well apparently not considering what people said last night. So which is it? Ladies and gentlemen, if you still honestly believe that story Jessie told on stage twice last night, then you are living in a fantasy world. Just like Ella, she lied. I don’t know how much clearer I can make this. I just gave you examples. These women have done a complete 180 in their answers in less than a month, whereas, Rozlyn has been telling the same story since she got booted in that nothing happened. Both of those women, for whatever reason, decided to change their stories, give in to the producers instructions before the show, and go after Rozlyn. Money? Attention? Promised things? I have no idea. But it’s clear now they had some motivation to not saying anything until the “Women Tell All” show when Rozlyn happened to be there.

Still don’t believe it? Remember what Valishia said on the show last night to Rozlyn about not believing her anymore? Yeah, she made that up, has since apologized to Rozlyn, and essentially admits giving in to being pressured to say that. Read it here. “I kind of felt a little bombarded by producers and people who tried to sway me to that side.” Uh huh. Yeah, none of that was staged last night. Sure it wasn’t. So I applaud Valishia for coming to the defense of her friend and doing that. I’m proud of you, Valishia. So is Dmitry from “Dancing with the Stars”. Anyway, along the lines of what Valishia is saying, I think the fact that we never heard one word come out of Corrie’s mouth last night speaks volumes. Corrie finished 5th. It’s not like she got booed the first night. Had definitely stuff worth talking about considering the whole virgin angle, yet, we don’t hear anything from her last night. Why? Because she is a Rozlyn supporter. Corrie didn’t play along with the “attack Rozlyn” storyline last night, therefore, she wasn’t shown. The show had an agenda to paint Rozlyn last night as the woman who did everything wrong, so the only women you heard speak from the panel, were the ones that were willing to sling mud at her. Corrie wasn’t, so she wasn’t shown.

As I pointed out in the last few columns, four girls did post show interviews where they admitted to never seeing anything going on between the producer and Rozlyn (Ashley E., Michelle, Ella, and Corrie), yet at the WTA, now all the sudden they’re all chirping? A little suspicious if you ask me. Ok, a lot suspicious. I mentioned in Thursday’s column. Never in the history of all the “Tell All” episodes have they had one person sequestered from the rest of the group like Rozlyn was, brought out without having heard anything going on backstage, taken off stage after her segment was up, and not allowed to attend any after parties. Rozlyn was brought in for her segment by a freakin’ security guard escort. Huh? Is she a murderer now? They treated her last night like she was on death row about to be put down by lethal injection. If someone could please answer me why Rozlyn wasn’t allowed to mingle with all the other girls before, during, or after the show, and why she was sequestered from everyone else, then maybe, just maybe, you can convince me it wasn’t staged. But since no one will address that, I will. It’s because every other girl was in their green room before the show started being told by producers what to bring up on stage. Hook them up to a lie detector test, all of em’, and I guarantee they’ll admit the truth. But it’ll never happen, so, I guess we’re stuck with what was shown. Just like the Wes situation, people will believe what they choose to believe. I’m here to tell you what really happened.

As mentioned during the Wes edit last season (which they built at least 3 or 4 episodes around, the fact they claim he had a girlfriend and even told Jake about it), for two seasons in a row now, the two BIGGEST scandals in the history of the show, yet, they never had any audio or video footage of either. You’d think somewhere, somehow, someway, they’d have something. Especially considering how they promoted the hell out of both scandals. We got four specific examples of Rozlyn’s behavior last night from girls: Ella with the “***” story, Jessie saying she saw them kissing, Christina talking about cuddling “24/7″ with hands on thighs, and other girls saying they all witnessed inappropriate behavior. No footage of ANY of this? Really? Nope, they just say, “Oh my God, look what happened! But ummmm, well, we have no proof.” Well, except Jake’s word since Wes told him, and these girls made up stories saying they saw it happened. You notice how when Rozlyn asked Chris, “Chris, tell me about this physical relationship, I really want to know more about this since you’ve been so vague”, that’s when Chris turned to the ladies to give their stories? How come Chris never relayed any story that he saw or heard of them together? For a guy who was on the attack with Rozlyn all night long, when pressed on it, he went to the “Well hey, this is what the girls saw”. Not once did Chris give any specific examples of stuff he knew. That’s because he didn’t see or know anything. The guy is barely around the house during filming, so he didn’t see or hear ****. Yet, he’s acting like he knew everything that was going on. Nice try.

Which brings me to my boy Chris. I think it’s about time I call him out. Chris, I am 100% dead serious when I say this: stop the lies. Seriously. Stop the lies. I thought last night he came off as a complete bully with an obvious agenda to attack Rozlyn from the get go, and I’m glad she stayed her ground. I thought she handled herself about as well as she could considering the circumstances. That being, the host of the show, and most everyone woman on stage attacking her. I am sending out an open invitation to Chris right now to come have a man-to-man phone interview with me for the site, and we can address everywhere he think I’m lying, and everywhere I think he’s lying. If I’m as wrong as he thinks I am, then he should have no issue putting me in my place. He should be jumping at the chance to answer everything I throw at him. I’ve got a bazillion questions for him, but this won’t be some sort of ambush. It will be professionally done, but just know, I am going to ask him things people want to know. And I will call him out for things he’s said that I couldn’t disagree with more. He can feel free to do the same. Just so everyone knows I’m serious, I’m sending an email today to three different ABC publicists requesting an interview with Chris. Once Chris declines (which I’m sure he will), or they decide to not even respond to me, I’ll notify everyone so you know where things stand. This needs to happen. I’ve been writing about this show for 17 seasons now and have had questions up the wazoo regarding how real it is. Well lets bring Chris on to talk about it. The guy never has a problem going on other shows talking down to all the critics, so why not come do an interview with the show’s biggest critic? The invitation is there. Ball is in your court, Chris. And any of you readers that would like to bug him on Twitter or his Facebook page about it, be my guest.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I don't know if you saw this interesting nugget posted today on realitysteve:

I'm not sure what to think of all that. It does seem like reality Steve is pretty wrapped up in the show though. I thought only girls watched the Bachelor anyway!

Bottom line, if Rozyln feels she's being slandered why isn't she taking steps to sue the pants off Chris and the show?? If she's innocent, why isn't this producer guy backing her up?? Why is he missing in action?? When Chris originally came to her on the show and told her that she entered into an inappropriate relationship with a producer, why didn't she defend herself then? Instead she gave a lame excuse about other girls having feelings or falling for other guys off the show and basically was confused why she was being called out for it. She looked guilty then and she looks guilty now.

 

[AmandaSparks730]

I sure got a kick outta last night's "drama".

The whole Rozlyn thing was hilarious. Terrible acting/lying.

 

[cruiserkaren]

I don't know if you saw this interesting nugget posted today on realitysteve:

Makes valid points.

Bottom line, if Rozyln feels she's being slandered why isn't she taking steps to sue the pants off Chris and the show?? If she's innocent, why isn't this producer guy backing her up?? Why is he missing in action?? When Chris originally came to her on the show and told her that she entered into an inappropriate relationship with a producer, why didn't she defend herself then? Instead she gave a lame excuse about other girls having feelings or falling for other guys off the show and basically was confused why she was being called out for it. She looked guilty then and she looks guilty now.

Again. Valid points.

ETA: although I do usually lean to the scripted side of reality.

 

[Kirby]

I just read the following on popeater.com:

Our experts say declaratory statements often indicate deception, so Rozlyn probably wasn't telling the whole truth when she declared, "On my child's life, that never happened!"

The tone of her voice was also a giveaway that the blonde beauty wasn't being entirely honest.

"When denying the accusations, the pitch of her voice was considerably higher, this is indicative of stress," explains body language expert Vincent Harris. "When we are being deceptive or lying, we become more stressed."

Her stance also indicated fear. "She moved her hands to interlock around her crossed legs at the front of her shin in a log cabin guard. This low log cabin shows she is very fearful. She is still protecting herself. Even though her back is up and she is nodding her head, her lower body is showing she is scared of what Chris will say next," explains body language expert Patti Wood.

The other bachelorettes expressed their mortification at Rozlyn's actions through self-satisfied smirks while they watched her squirm in the hot seat. The camera continually panned to Ashley, who wasn't delighting as much as everyone else. Ashley was pissed!

"We see Ashley lips tightly pressed downward and her angry eyes. Ashley is dying to yell something," Wood explains.

As Harrison repeatedly asked Rozlyn whether anything inappropriate occurred in the house, her brow furrowed, another sign of anxiety and stress.

When Ella started to get judgey about Rozlyn's actions, if you watch closely you can see Rozlyn's top lip start to curl.

"This is a sign of her underlying anger; anger that she is working to suppress, but that is leaking out anyway. These small 'leaks' are all but impossible to conceal, hide or prevent, and give us a sneak peek at what emotion she is really feeling," Harris says.

But she isn't just lying about her relationship with the producer. Rozlyn seems to be lying about everything. At one point, she tells the other ladies that she never said anything bad about them after she left the show. Probably not true.

"She shoulder shrugs when she says she never said anything but nice things about the other women," says Janine Driver, author of 'YOU SAY MORE THAN YOU THINK: A 7-Day Plan For Using the New Body Language to Get What You Want!' "Which means it's deception. A shoulder shrug cancels out the verbal message so we know she has talked negatively about these women in the past."

And what's Chris Harrison trying to hide? When Roz bit back at Chris, claiming he hit on her producer friend's wife in New Zealand, Chris got a little cagey.

"Chris broke eye contact, looked down and appeared to struggle with making direct eye contact with Rozlyn again. Chris can clearly be seen swallowing -- a clear sign of anxiety and nervousness when read in context. My hunch is that there is probably more to the New Zealand story than Harrison would like to discuss," Harris explains.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when we appear on reality television.

 

[AlienBrain]

I think the Rozlyn interview on Reality Steve should be interesting. But the MOST convincing thing I have heard so far is this part from Reality Steve:

Still don’t believe it? Remember what Valishia said on the show last night to Rozlyn about not believing her anymore? Yeah, she made that up, has since apologized to Rozlyn, and essentially admits giving in to being pressured to say that. Read it here. “I kind of felt a little bombarded by producers and people who tried to sway me to that side.” Uh huh. Yeah, none of that was staged last night. Sure it wasn’t.

In addition to the other two girls not saying anything about Rozlyn and then changing their stories for the special. I don't know if Rozlyn is completely innocent, but I do think that she isn't as guilty as people want her to be. Maybe Chris had beef with the producer and was looking for anything to get rid of him. After seeing some mild flirtation between Rozlyn and the producer, he could have used that as firing grounds ... who knows? Just speculating...

 

[kimmar067]

...And what's Chris Harrison trying to hide? When Roz bit back at Chris, claiming he hit on her producer friend's wife in New Zealand, Chris got a little cagey....

...so, I ask myself: WHY, exactly DID Rozlyn agree to be on The Batchelor? She's 'looking for a husband', yet, she finds 'friendship' with a technical member of the show. And he's married, but it's "okay" to befriend HIM, even though HE'S married.....am I missing something??

 

[robinb]

...so, I ask myself: WHY, exactly DID Rozlyn agree to be on The Batchelor? She's 'looking for a husband', yet, she finds 'friendship' with a technical member of the show. And he's married, but it's "okay" to befriend HIM, even though HE'S married.....am I missing something??

I think I read that the producer and his wife were separated in the spring of last year. Maybe after Chris hit on her . Anyway, he was in many ways a free agent by the time the whole Rozlyn drama kicked up.

 

[Kirby]

I guess it just boils down to that she was supposed to be there for Jake and she was flirting, seeing, making out with, whatever with a male member of the production crew.

 

[kimmar067]

I guess it just boils down to that she was supposed to be there for Jake and she was flirting, seeing, making out with, whatever with a male member of the production crew.

...THANK YOU....that's what my point was.....

 

[kimmar067]

I think I read that the producer and his wife were separated in the spring of last year. Maybe after Chris hit on her ....

 

[Robinrs]

I guess it just boils down to that she was supposed to be there for Jake and she was flirting, seeing, making out with, whatever with a male member of the production crew.

I think it really boils down to the fact that the WTA show was a diversion from all the bad press that Vienna is getting. All of the women ROLLED back on their criticism of her and seemed like they were TOLD to do so. Rozlyn, who just about EVERYONE in America forgot about, was their major diversion. I think it's a skewed attempt to not SUPER disappoint their masses after what seems to be a very obvious ending to this season.