Avatar Experience Replaces Monsters Inc. - Monsters Inc. Closing Early 2026 - Future DCA Expansion Plans - Avengers Campus Expansion, Coco Ride

I mean they make money and ROTR gets mostly the biggest lines in the park and can charge 25 bucks for a LL....so to Disney its not really a bust, plus once they retheme the Falcon ride to have Mando in it that thing's line should be even higher as well.

I'm a SW fan and I have no real love for the land but I do love the characters

Sure they aren't getting a billion new people but after Covid its not really a numbers game anyway, even when the parks sell out now its not at 100% capacity they could let more people in and choose not to.


On to Avatar, I do agree in the way I wish Avatar Was in another area but....this is what they are doing. It will for sure be better then what we have and just always find it silly when Disney fans get so upset then go to the parks anyway. Look at GOTG everyone online hated it and now many like it more then the ToT we have (I miss it but the new version kinda does work better for the space we have, even of the tower is now much uglier)

SWGE was undoubtedly a poor investment. Some estimates place the DL version at nearly $2B. In comparison, DL spent $1.4B creating the DLR on the late 90s/early 00s - with DCA 1.0 costing $800M. So if you adjust for inflation, they spent more on SWGE than DCA Later, they spent over $1B in improvements on DCA but it was seen as a risky investment with many reports indicating some Disney execs preferred to not make changes but instead include the park in DL admission and keep it open on a seasonal basis.

Of course, DLR has come a long way since the early 2000s. Many believe both parks higher margins that any of the WDW parks (probably helps that much of the infrastructure is shared in the DLR).

But still. DL was already making preparations to use the SWGE site for expansion before it was decided upon, so opportunity cost prevails. Is SWGE more profitable than say a Frozen land?

TOT represented everything wrong with DCA. The park was a huge failure so Disney started making plans to bring the TOT over by summer 2001. It took almost 3 years to build, they used the budget TOT plans for Paris and cheapened it even further (exterior was suppose to be concrete for example). I’ve never seen the Guardians movies but the building is much better looking and the ride is awesome. Unfortunately, the building is visible from inside and outside of the parks. A hotel off Harbor made sense… that things an eyesore once you leave the area.
 
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Other than a new mission for the Millennium Falcon, what is Disney throwing money at in SWGE?

For now, they’ve announced they would be increasing the entertainment, as well as updates to the MF.ride. I think the entertainment is specific to DL, DHS hasn’t gotten the projection show or classic characters.
 
For now, they’ve announced they would be increasing the entertainment, as well as updates to the MF.ride. I think the entertainment is specific to DL, DHS hasn’t gotten the projection show or classic characters.

SWGE is generally more popular at Hollywood Studios than at DL - at least it seems that way. It's weird that they wouldn't get the plus-ups, then again they don't really need them.
 
SWGE was undoubtedly a poor investment. Some estimates place the DL version at nearly $2B. In comparison, DL spent $1.4B creating the DLR on the late 90s/early 00s - with DCA 1.0 costing $800M. So if you adjust for inflation, they spent more on SWGE than DCA Later, they spent over $1B in improvements on DCA but it was seen as a risky investment with many reports indicating some Disney execs preferred to not make changes but instead include the park in DL admission and keep it open on a seasonal basis.

Of course, DLR has come a long way since the early 2000s. Many believe both parks higher margins that any of the WDW parks (probably helps that much of the infrastructure is shared in the DLR).

But still. DL was already making preparations to use the SWGE site for expansion before it was decided upon, so opportunity cost prevails. Is SWGE more profitable than say a Frozen land?

TOT represented everything wrong with DCA. The park was a huge failure so Disney started making plans to bring the TOT over by summer 2001. It took almost 3 years to build, they used the budget TOT plans for Paris and cheapened it even further (exterior was suppose to be concrete for example). I’ve never seen the Guardians movies but the building is much better looking and the ride is awesome. Unfortunately, the building is visible from inside and outside of the parks. A hotel off Harbor made sense… that things an eyesore once you leave the area.
I mean all theme park stuff cost more now then they should have. Disneyland was built in a year....even with a 24 hour crew these new rides can't be built that quickly

ROTR is an insane ride. the Preview alone is more impressive then most rides at Disneyland let alone going into the ride where they have two full AT-AT's

They can charge over 200 bucks for lightsabers, 15+ bucks for drinks at the bar and so on. Has it made it's money back yet? No idea but for sure it will so its not a bad investment just could have been done better but its not like no one is at the land or many don't like it. It's just based off things not from the films and so its harder to be attached to

Avatar is based on a film that made 2 billion and the fans aren't as picky. I'm sure this land alone will be something insane maybe near a Billion

As for Frozen land....I'm not against a small version of it coming here and it would make money but....what do you sell from it that makes more then 200 bucks? Or the droids which also sell well
So sure upfront it would cost less but SW land will make billions over its lifetime at the park, its not going anywhere for over 20 years and they will use it for Star Wars nights and other things and once again the money will be made because Star Wars as a series is doing very well right now Andor is amazing for people who like a good show and the base loves it because of how it adds to the lore and character, Mando movie will tie in with the land draw guests to it more

My point is this people online complain.....and then Disney sells out of APs, Oggie boogie and other after dark event tickets, and 60 dollar keys that give you a pin.

Not saying fans should not express them selves but many aren't full Disney fans any more Disney is more then just what Walt made, we have Star Wars, Avatar, Marvel, Pixar, Fox (Simpsons and Alien/Predator) and your choices are embarrass all Disney is or talk about the old days but Disney is no longer just animated films
 

SWGE was undoubtedly a poor investment. Some estimates place the DL version at nearly $2B. In comparison, DL spent $1.4B creating the DLR on the late 90s/early 00s - with DCA 1.0 costing $800M. So if you adjust for inflation, they spent more on SWGE than DCA Later, they spent over $1B in improvements on DCA but it was seen as a risky investment with many reports indicating some Disney execs preferred to not make changes but instead include the park in DL admission and keep it open on a seasonal basis.

Of course, DLR has come a long way since the early 2000s. Many believe both parks higher margins that any of the WDW parks (probably helps that much of the infrastructure is shared in the DLR).

But still. DL was already making preparations to use the SWGE site for expansion before it was decided upon, so opportunity cost prevails. Is SWGE more profitable than say a Frozen land?

TOT represented everything wrong with DCA. The park was a huge failure so Disney started making plans to bring the TOT over by summer 2001. It took almost 3 years to build, they used the budget TOT plans for Paris and cheapened it even further (exterior was suppose to be concrete for example). I’ve never seen the Guardians movies but the building is much better looking and the ride is awesome. Unfortunately, the building is visible from inside and outside of the parks. A hotel off Harbor made sense… that things an eyesore once you leave the area.
I find SWGE to be lacking. Last year on my trip we literally never set foot there, except 1 time I rode ROTR right before it closed at night. I do not particularly care for MFSR, but I'm hopeful the new changes will improve the experience. ROTR has grown on me over time. I do not think the land is exciting - it's a bunch of barren concrete with not much going on and few characters anyone cares about.

I have a 6YO son who loves reading SW Little Golden Books. He just watched the first (4th - A New Hope) movie. You know the character he cares most about? Darth Vader, who you can't find in SWGE. That seems like such a huge mistake to me hopefully one they can rectify over time.

I personally find Star Tours to still be the best SW ride in the park. Classic characters and a fun queue! The problem with ROTR is that's based only on the newer characters.
 
I mean all theme park stuff cost more now then they should have. Disneyland was built in a year....even with a 24 hour crew these new rides can't be built that quickly

ROTR is an insane ride. the Preview alone is more impressive then most rides at Disneyland let alone going into the ride where they have two full AT-AT's

They can charge over 200 bucks for lightsabers, 15+ bucks for drinks at the bar and so on. Has it made it's money back yet? No idea but for sure it will so its not a bad investment just could have been done better but its not like no one is at the land or many don't like it. It's just based off things not from the films and so its harder to be attached to

Avatar is based on a film that made 2 billion and the fans aren't as picky. I'm sure this land alone will be something insane maybe near a Billion

As for Frozen land....I'm not against a small version of it coming here and it would make money but....what do you sell from it that makes more then 200 bucks? Or the droids which also sell well
So sure upfront it would cost less but SW land will make billions over its lifetime at the park, its not going anywhere for over 20 years and they will use it for Star Wars nights and other things and once again the money will be made because Star Wars as a series is doing very well right now Andor is amazing for people who like a good show and the base loves it because of how it adds to the lore and character, Mando movie will tie in with the land draw guests to it more

My point is this people online complain.....and then Disney sells out of APs, Oggie boogie and other after dark event tickets, and 60 dollar keys that give you a pin.

Not saying fans should not express them selves but many aren't full Disney fans any more Disney is more then just what Walt made, we have Star Wars, Avatar, Marvel, Pixar, Fox (Simpsons and Alien/Predator) and your choices are embarrass all Disney is or talk about the old days but Disney is no longer just animated films

In fairness, credible reports indicate that much of what’s in SEGW - build-a-light Sabre and droid, the Cantina, etc. - was originally designed to go into the Echo Lake portion of DHS while a compact version would go into the Carrousel of Progress building in DLR. But Iger wanted them to be done on a grand scale that did SW justice, hence GE. So, they’d be in the park in one form or another.

I do believe a Frozen theme land would’ve been more successful in attracting more people, thus increasing the park’s capacity and allowing DL to see more MK. Similar to how the extensive entertainment is attracting people away from the rides (we’ve walked on Space Mountain a few times during the entertainment) now.
 
I find SWGE to be lacking. Last year on my trip we literally never set foot there, except 1 time I rode ROTR right before it closed at night. I do not particularly care for MFSR, but I'm hopeful the new changes will improve the experience. ROTR has grown on me over time. I do not think the land is exciting - it's a bunch of barren concrete with not much going on and few characters anyone cares about.

I have a 6YO son who loves reading SW Little Golden Books. He just watched the first (4th - A New Hope) movie. You know the character he cares most about? Darth Vader, who you can't find in SWGE. That seems like such a huge mistake to me hopefully one they can rectify over time.

I personally find Star Tours to still be the best SW ride in the park. Classic characters and a fun queue! The problem with ROTR is that's based only on the newer characters.

I love Star Tours and I’m not even a Star Wars fan!

I do hope they can salvage SWGE because it seems such a waste status quo. After ROTR closes, there’s very little foot traffic in the land.

I remember when it first opened and they marketed all the Star Wars inspired eats… but hardly anything is left on the menu. Then again same is true with Avengers Campis.
 
In fairness, credible reports indicate that much of what’s in SEGW - build-a-light Sabre and droid, the Cantina, etc. - was originally designed to go into the Echo Lake portion of DHS while a compact version would go into the Carrousel of Progress building in DLR. But Iger wanted them to be done on a grand scale that did SW justice, hence GE. So, they’d be in the park in one form or another.

I do believe a Frozen theme land would’ve been more successful in attracting more people, thus increasing the park’s capacity and allowing DL to see more MK. Similar to how the extensive entertainment is attracting people away from the rides (we’ve walked on Space Mountain a few times during the entertainment) now.
WDW and DIsneyland are just different

Mickey and Minnie here gets wayyy less lines then WDW, they just flow differently

You can think Frozen would draw more people...but we have no proof either way, I get you don't like star wars land but your acting like its a ghost time when ROTR gets the longest line most days at Disneyland and the bar is also almost always full and even make you sit with other people if you have a small party

You can say you would rather have a Monsters land or Zootopia land and both would work in this area but Avatar will do very well and I'm sure be the second best themed land in the park
 
I was shocked at how popular Smugglers Run is at WDW vs at DLR. We love Galaxies Edge at both parks wish it were larger tbh.

We are sad to see Monsters go and wish it were for something better than Avatar (me talking, DH and son love it) I am happy that they are using space that is currently not used, so much unused space in the backlot area.
 
I was shocked at how popular Smugglers Run is at WDW vs at DLR. We love Galaxies Edge at both parks wish it were larger tbh.

We are sad to see Monsters go and wish it were for something better than Avatar (me talking, DH and son love it) I am happy that they are using space that is currently not used, so much unused space in the backlot area.
Also to add I love Frozen that ride makes me so happy, and I would be thrilled to see a Frozen ride or land at DL
 
I was shocked at how popular Smugglers Run is at WDW vs at DLR. We love Galaxies Edge at both parks wish it were larger tbh.

We are sad to see Monsters go and wish it were for something better than Avatar (me talking, DH and son love it) I am happy that they are using space that is currently not used, so much unused space in the backlot area.
Much of the reason MMRR and MFSR have longer lines at WDW is because.....there's just VERY little to do at HS. One of the main reasons DL overall has lower waits than WDW, and even to some extent DCA, is because of the massive number of rides at DL which absorbs people very effectively.

Not to say the rides may not be more popular at WDW, because they might be based on demographic differences, but comparing wait times isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. There are about 9 rides at HS and about 7 shows. DL on the other hand has 31 rides (excluding things like the Mark Twain) and several shows. That's over THREE TIMES greater ride capacity. So yes, the lines at DL are going to be shorter for MFSR and MMRR.
 
The main difference at DHS is that there's a lot less to do. GE is one of the main reasons to even step foot into that park. (MMRR is more important there than here, too.) I'd argue that it's still not really a full-day park on normal days.

DHS typically closes at 9pm, too, so there's not a lot of need for nighttime entertainment options. They've got a "standard" Star Wars projection show that they run on the Chinese Theater sometimes (currently a Disney Animation projection show) if they need something like that. But, typically - with the exception of keeping Oga's open until 10pm - they're trying to get people out of GE by park close. (Historically, DHS can be relatively dead during the last couple of hours of operation - people often park-hop from there to Epcot or MK.)

I think the nighttime stuff in GE at DLR is mainly just Disney trying to keep people in the park longer - a problem DHS isn't worried about.
 
Much of the reason MMRR and MFSR have longer lines at WDW is because.....there's just VERY little to do at HS. One of the main reasons DL overall has lower waits than WDW, and even to some extent DCA, is because of the massive number of rides at DL which absorbs people very effectively.

Not to say the rides may not be more popular at WDW, because they might be based on demographic differences, but comparing wait times isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. There are about 9 rides at HS and about 7 shows. DL on the other hand has 31 rides (excluding things like the Mark Twain) and several shows. That's over THREE TIMES greater ride capacity. So yes, the lines at DL are going to be shorter for MFSR and MMRR.
This makes perfect sense. We were done at HS by 6pm and we didnt even rope drop
 
WDW and DIsneyland are just different

Mickey and Minnie here gets wayyy less lines then WDW, they just flow differently

You can think Frozen would draw more people...but we have no proof either way, I get you don't like star wars land but your acting like its a ghost time when ROTR gets the longest line most days at Disneyland and the bar is also almost always full and even make you sit with other people if you have a small party

You can say you would rather have a Monsters land or Zootopia land and both would work in this area but Avatar will do very well and I'm sure be the second best themed land in the park

It isn’t that I hate SWGE - I’m merely asserting that legacy Disney IP is more appealing to most DLE/ WDW guests than the acquired IP. (I would include Pixar as legacy IP since Disney had been heavily involved with Pixar from the start).

It’s not just my opinion that SWGE isn’t the hit Disney expected it to be. They said as such earlier this year in an article that ran in the OCR outlining the “improvements” they were making to the land.

Not that was a surprise, anyway. After all, they cancelled the Paris version of SWGE.

I’ll also echo the comments that the clientele of DLR and WDW are very similar…. Which is why the most popular attractions, entertainment and experiences at one resort have been brought to the other. There are small differences - DLR guests are mostly locals who go regularly, WDW has more small children, etc. but they’re synergizing. One thing I always disposed about WDW was the number of people who rented ECVs as a convenience, which allowed them to conveniently skip large portion of lines. But now the same thing is happening at DLR.
 
Much of the reason MMRR and MFSR have longer lines at WDW is because.....there's just VERY little to do at HS. One of the main reasons DL overall has lower waits than WDW, and even to some extent DCA, is because of the massive number of rides at DL which absorbs people very effectively.

Not to say the rides may not be more popular at WDW, because they might be based on demographic differences, but comparing wait times isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. There are about 9 rides at HS and about 7 shows. DL on the other hand has 31 rides (excluding things like the Mark Twain) and several shows. That's over THREE TIMES greater ride capacity. So yes, the lines at DL are going to be shorter for MFSR and MMRR.

I think that’s the key point. There’s very few attractions at DHS, DAK and even Epcot. That’s why attractions/ experiences well past their prime - like MuppetVision, Frozen Sing Along and Indy — have stuck around for so long. My favorite part of Indy is when they introduce Karen Allen’s stunt double. As if anyone under 50 knows who she is.
 
Welp, that’s the last remaining undeveloped parcel. Unless Disney acquires the remaining hotels and businesses adjacent to DCA. Would be an excellent spot to build the show building for Cosmic Rewind!

I do wonder how they’re going to build out the Coco boat ride. I’m guessing DCA is going to look pretty rough behind the scenes - in order to build a ride of any length the show building will probably twist and turn…
 
I do wonder how they’re going to build out the Coco boat ride. I’m guessing DCA is going to look pretty rough behind the scenes - in order to build a ride of any length the show building will probably twist and turn…
The one thing I keep wondering about is this:

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If they close the western entrance to the loop, and end the loop road next to the bottom buildings there - it would actually give them a pretty sizeable parcel to work on - including room for the potential bridge over Disneyland Drive for DisneyForward. They don't necessarily need that western entrance anymore - vehicles could get to Paradise Gardens from the GCH entrance, and to those bottom buildings using the loop road from Harbor. (There's a cut-through right underneath my black line.)

I think someone figured out that the ride building for Mermaid would fit in where the parade storage building is now. Potentially, there's room for something pretty sizeable (if they do something like this).
 













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