Attendance at Fort Wilderness

[LONE-STAR]

Where have you been Mike? I have not seen you post in awhile.

 

[Gatordad]

yeah, how are you doing Mike?

 

[des1954]

Don't they just import all of Brazil every summer?

On a serious note... Brazil converted to bio-diesel IIRC about 3 years ago. Over 90% of vehicles, large & small, run on bio-diesel.

For anyone interested in some articles on the subject...

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/06/making_ethanol.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil

http://unfccc.int/files/meetings/co...on/pdf/041209szwarc-usebiofuels_in_brazil.pdfhttp://unfccc.int/files/meetings/co...on/pdf/041209szwarc-usebiofuels_in_brazil.pdf

THAT'S why all the Brazillians can afford to come to Disney!

Can someone tell me why the US Gov't pays large farmers to let their fields sit idle when they could be growing crops to produce bio-diesel fuel? I know I'm just a "dumb blonde secretary & Home Depot cashier", but come on!

 

[DznyRulz]

More than once they would wait on a long line only to have 75 people suddenly cut ahead of them. Seems the tour would have one person wait in the line, and the rest would join them when the line moved toward the entry to the ride. How RUDE!

THAT is something that just really irks my bananas. If that had happened to me they would have probably had to forcibly remove me from the property as I wouldn't have been quiet about it.

 

[PanFanAL]

You better believe I wouldn't have let that just go by. I might have been escorted out of the park, but everyone around would have known how I felt about it.

 

[PolynesianPixie]

THAT is something that just really irks my bananas. If that had happened to me they would have probably had to forcibly remove me from the property as I wouldn't have been quiet about it.

What a colorful way to put that! oh, and I couldn't agree more! I feel bad when we're in line and my DH takes a kid to the bathroom and comes back to the line. I know I get a guilty look on my face! That many people is just plain rude!

 

[auntie]

It happened on more than one occasion..and they are die hard Disney World fans..been visiting for years. Her parents live in Fl., so they would always take the kids in the summer to spend some time with Grandma and include a Disney trip. They were pretty aggravated, and even more so when they didn't even receive a response from Disney when they wrote to them expressing their frustration. They did start to switch their vacation time the following year to August..because they didn't want to deal with this again in July. When I was reading through the Unofficial Guide to Disney, they also make mention of the Brazilian tour groups in July. I don't know why that particular month. It's enough of an inconvenience for it to be mentioned in the book.

 

[bigdisneydaddy]

On a serious note... Brazil converted to bio-diesel IIRC about 3 years ago. Over 90% of vehicles, large & small, run on bio-diesel.

For anyone interested in some articles on the subject...

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/06/making_ethanol.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil

http://unfccc.int/files/meetings/co...on/pdf/041209szwarc-usebiofuels_in_brazil.pdfhttp://unfccc.int/files/meetings/co...on/pdf/041209szwarc-usebiofuels_in_brazil.pdf

THAT'S why all the Brazillians can afford to come to Disney!

Can someone tell me why the US Gov't pays large farmers to let their fields sit idle when they could be growing crops to produce bio-diesel fuel? I know I'm just a "dumb blonde secretary & Home Depot cashier", but come on!

I believe that most of their Bio is derived from sugar cane, with a limited growing area for cane in the US its not as feasible. Dont fall for the lie that "bio" is the magic bullet, it isnt as effective as first reports indicated. There are many problems with it including the fact that the production of Bio in the US hardly produces more energy than needed to make it. Bio also has problems in the cold weather. Up here where I live the diesel is heavily doctored just to make it usable in the winter, bio is even less tolerant of cold temps. Its a fascinating arena to enter but after you study it for a while it tends ot lose its luster.

Scott

 

[tellnotails]

On a serious note... Brazil converted to bio-diesel IIRC about 3 years ago. Over 90% of vehicles, large & small, run on bio-diesel.

For anyone interested in some articles on the subject...

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/06/making_ethanol.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil

http://unfccc.int/files/meetings/co...on/pdf/041209szwarc-usebiofuels_in_brazil.pdfhttp://unfccc.int/files/meetings/co...on/pdf/041209szwarc-usebiofuels_in_brazil.pdf

THAT'S why all the Brazillians can afford to come to Disney!

Can someone tell me why the US Gov't pays large farmers to let their fields sit idle when they could be growing crops to produce bio-diesel fuel? I know I'm just a "dumb blonde secretary & Home Depot cashier", but come on!

Ethanol is a joke.........enviromentally unfreindly.....it takes tons of nitrogen to grow corn.....most of the nitogen run off ends up in the gulf creating a huge dead zone.....

not to mention all the fresh water it takes to distill the ethanol......

It takes 1.3 gallons of diesel to make 1 gallon of ethanol...

The Farm lobbyists are powerful bunch......and we thought big oil was bad

 

[JPG]

Quote believe that most of their Bio is derived from sugar cane, with a limited growing area for cane in the US its not as feasible. Dont fall for the lie that "bio" is the magic bullet, it isnt as effective as first reports indicated. There are many problems with it including the fact that the production of Bio in the US hardly produces more energy than needed to make it. Bio also has problems in the cold weather. Up here where I live the diesel is heavily doctored just to make it usable in the winter, bio is even less tolerant of cold temps. Its a fascinating arena to enter but after you study it for a while it tends ot lose its luster.

Scott

Quote Ethanol is a joke.........enviromentally unfreindly.....it takes tons of nitrogen to grow corn.....most of the nitogen run off ends up in the gulf creating a huge dead zone.....

not to mention all the fresh water it takes to distill the ethanol......

It takes 1.3 gallons of diesel to make 1 gallon of ethanol...

The Farm lobbyists are powerful bunch......and we thought big oil was bad


Good stuff guys! It's amazing how much BS is out there. Nothing better than good old crude oil for a fuel source. Its plentiful and renews itself according to new research. If we could only drill for our own these days. I guess we will never get the Chicken Little types to understand

 

[kc5grw]

Where have you been Mike? I have not seen you post in awhile.

yeah, how are you doing Mike?

Been really busy lately. I've been keeping up with the boards, just haven't had a lot to say recently.

 

[Gatordad]

having not much to say is not a big deal. A lot of people are in the same boat, but they post anyway..... keep the cards and letters coming.

 

[Sinclare]

I heard a report recently that they had found a oil field that covered several mid-us states (don't remember the details). It is supposed to be the best type of light crude and the biggest oil field ever found.

Problem is, will this ever get back to us or will they just keep giving all our money to people overseas who hate our guts....

Just found a link, not sure it's the same one but it looks that way:
Quote:
"Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world - more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. Three companies have been chosen to lead the way. Test drilling has already begun

Dear Reader,

Five months ago, the U.S. Energy Department announced the results of a land survey

It was conducted to determine the official amount of oil a thousand feet deep in the Rocky Mountains

They reported this stunning news:

We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth.

Here are the official estimates:

* 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
* 18-times as much oil as Iraq
* 21-times as much oil as Kuwait
* 22-times as much oil as Iran
* 500-times as much oil as Yemen "

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/the-us-governments-secret-colorado-oil-discovery

Here is an even better one with maps:

http://www.rhinoed.org/pages/OilDiscoveryProject.htm

 

[Sinclare]

Hold on, that last one was oil shale...still 2 trillion ain't bad but here is the one I heard about:

Quote:
"Watch out, Texas! Get back California, Louisiana and Alaska! North Dakota and Montana are on track to knock all of you off your high horses as the oil capital of the United States.

According to a government report published today that has stunned the energy biz, a thin layer of rock known as the Bakken Shale, located a couple of miles under the Badlands, holds up 4.3 billion barrels of recoverable oil, making it the single largest oil reservoir that federal scientists have ever assessed.

At today’s price of $110 per barrel, that puts the value at $475 billion, give or take a few bill, or more than enough to make people think ND stands for North Dallas. Or maybe that’s New Dhabi.

The U.S. Geological Survey only assessed the Bakken Shale in U.S. boundaries, so the full extent of the find, which stretches north into the Canadian provinces of Saskatchewan and Manitoba, will ultimately be larger. Already the estimate for “technically recoverable” oil – or that which is exploitable using current technology -- is 25 times higher than the last time the USGS surveyed the area, in 1995.

Around 105 million barrels of oil had been produced from the Bakken through the end of 2007, so the idea that energy producers may get 40 times that amount has brought a lot of attention to the area’s top drillers and leaseholders. Investors pushed stocks like EOG Resources and Continental Resources to all-time highs in the past two weeks in anticipation of the report’s publication. See my column today, "Dakota Oil: Persia on the Plains," for more investment angles.

The USGS said in in its press release that its new Bakken estimate is larger than all of its other oil assessments of the lower 48 states and is the largest "continuous" oil accumulation it has ever assessed. It said a "continuous" oil accumulation means that the oil resource is dispersed throughout a geologic formation rather than existing as discrete, localized occurrences. The next largest continuous oil accumulation in the U.S. is in the Austin Chalk of Texas and Louisiana, with an estimate of 1 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil.

Government geologists said they worked with North Dakota Geological Survey, a number of petroleum industry companies and independents, universities and other experts on the project. To hear a podcast of the USGS scientists Brenda Pierce and Rich Pollastro discussing their study"


http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/topstocks/archive/2008/04/10/north-dakota-oil-discovery-called-biggest-in-u-s.aspx

 

[ftwildernessguy]

Ah, remember how the Alaskan Oil Line was going to solve our energy problems on the west coast? Most of that oil is now sold to Japan because it can be sold there for a higher profit than keeping it home. I am afraid, unless there is some sort of government intervention (and I am no fan of big government), the same thing would happen to any new large finds of oil in the US. I firmly believe we have the available resources to be independent of foreign oil, if only we would use our own supplies and not sell to foreign nations for quick profits.

 

[auntie]

$4.15 today...up 5 cents since Wed. What the ...

I had no idea there was so much oil available to us in our own country.

 

[DisCamper]

I’m staying at a state park 5 miles from my house this Memorial Day weekend. I’m all ready over $500 into the trip with site food beer beer, rum I cancelled my trip to FW because it would cost 5 times that to go to FW with fuel, $95 a night for site and tickets. Still saving for 4 July that maybe my only trip to FW this year and I only live 165 miles from FW.

 

[auntie]

It would appear that you're not the only one changing their plans. Looks like there will be quite a bit of that going on in the coming months.

 

[DisCamper]

I can tell you the state park I’m at when I tried to make res. was 100% full so I could not make a reservation for this weekend. I had to come in 3 day before the weekend to get a walkup site. I just left to come home to get some stuff and still the park is about 60% full.

 

[dtum]

Just left yesterday. When we got there last week FW was pretty busy, but it was triathlon time. After all the triathlon people left it was pretty empty. I told DH several times that the cost of gas must be effecting things. Some looks (we were in 600) from our loop to the settlement only had 1-2 campers in them!

Even the world wasn't busy. We never waited more than 5 min. to get on anything! Won a year of a million dreams fast pass in Disney Hollywood and never needed to use it. I think even attendance at the parks is being effected by the cost of gas and as summer goes on the price of gas goes up, more and more people will cancel their plans.

Paid $4.76 for Diesel this a.m. Glad we will be back home soon and park our truck and fiver for a while and get the old credit card paid off!