Attack of the Lakeshore Lodge

[BrianLo]

From what I keep seeing, the plans haven’t changed at all from the originals, so I also think it’s going to be mixed. It’s too big to be 100% DVC these days.

It very much feels like Beach Club is the model, in more ways than one. With a bigger DVC attachment and somewhat tighter layout due to the use of more floors. More like a Riviera attached to the beach club cash rooms.

I am not in the know on the planned split between DVC rooms and hotel rooms here, or even if there will be a hotel side at all.

But looking at the available photos so far, I see what appears to be some differences in the design and layout of rooms on either side of the lobby.

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Again, this is just speculation with what little information we have at this time.

I think you might be right on this. I just know the end bit is pure DVC with a separate DVC lot.

 

[Mouseforward]

WDW Magic. Posters have access to the plans. Even still, its been readily apparent that was the case to me beforehand with the simple site plan. There’s a separate entrance and DVC lot

So maybe try an I think or I believe before a statement - if your sources are other posters its one step below " trust me bro"

 

[maui22]

Oh yea, I’m siding on its somewhat less likely myself. Those DVC announcements go over like a lead balloon, I was there for the Reflections one. The current head seems more adept at pruning the things he knows won’t play well to the audience and packaging them in blog posts after the fact.

We already have most of those above details. I ironically had just re-asked your question and forgot it was already answered.

https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...ent-near-fort-wilderness.938671/post-11173297



The resort being hybrid was already confirmed. Old room mock ups were published by Disney, the decor strikes me as the most likely to be changed.

That puts LSL (38) at even less dedicated 2BRs than VGF (47), excluding the pods.

I wonder if this data pushes more larger families to buy Riviera? (90 dedicated 2BRs).

 

[Mle8308]

I don’t see LL being combined with Fort wilderness campground. I do see I do see it possibly being combined with just the cabins.

I don’t think it would raise maintenance fees. In fact, I think the opposite. There’s like 300+ cabins and if 600 of the 900 rooms are DVC we would have a Saratoga Springs like denominator to share the dues.

The benefit of combining the cabins, A-frame, treehouses, and hopefully duo studios through Gran Villas is that LL would be a self-sufficient ecosystem where people would not mind making it their one and only resort. That would give you options from one person to 12. Based on the size, I don’t see this resort booking at 11 months. This could be a magic Kingdom seven month resort.

I think there’s zero chance that they pitch this as equal to a greater than grand Floridian in luxury. I believe they’d have to pitch it below wilderness Lodge.

It can't be combined with the campground because the campground is not DVC and won't be. I personally believe LSL will 100% be combined with the CFW - that is why the CFW dues are currently the highest out there.

 

[Mouseforward]

It can't be combined with the campground because the campground is not DVC and won't be. I personally believe LSL will 100% be combined with the CFW - that is why the CFW dues are currently the highest out there.

I agree in that the Trust was written to allow expansion.

I also think that in 2042 the remaining OKW that was not extended could be added to the trust, as could HH or Vero if they wanted. I think OKW is more likely that HH or vero but they all could happen.

 

[Mle8308]

What do they do now for Halloween? Do they check people at the boat dock from MK to make sure they have a reservation for a campsite? Do they only let Fort guests attend Hoop de Doo or the stables on Halloween?

Yes, they scan wristbands of people trying to get on the FW busses/boats. You need a dining reservation (not QS) or you need to be staying at FW to access the property. The stables are restricted to FW guests or people who have a dining reservation.

 

[Mle8308]

Interesting. I'd love to know the logistics. So, a CM boards the boat coming from MK and scans magic bands? And if you don't have a campsite reservations, what do they do - insist you stay seated on the boat and not get off? Did they have someone stationed on the walking path from WL years ago, blocking people from walking in?

When booking dinner for Hoop de Doo on July 4th or Halloween, does the website make you insert your campsite reservation confirmation before booking the ADR? Same with when booking a trail ride or carriage ride online - does it make you put your campsite reservation confirmation in the online portal?

I honestly didn't think the online portal was set up for this. Anytime I've booked dinner or experiences at the fort, there is absolutely nothing about whether or not you are staying there. You're saying they change the online booking portal for certain times of year?

Can't walk from the WL, path is blocked and has been since covid.

 

[BrianLo]

So maybe try an I think or I believe before a statement - if your sources are other posters its one step below " trust me bro"

I’ve constantly been very upfront and sourced where this is coming from. I’m sorry that post I had not reiterated myself. If you look one post above yours, I already preemptively followed your advice.

Post one of this thread contains three links. I resumed the thread after 8 weeks hiatus directing people back to len testa and the poster who has the plans.

Len Testa is a fairly public facing individual at this point who has been provided a copy. We are a half step removed from a trust me bro. I’m asking you to trust Touring Plans.

Technically speaking, the onus of proof that the resort isn’t mixed is not on me. Disney announced it as mixed and has never once said otherwise.

Edit - here you are; again I’m not asking anyone to trust me, I’m not the source and have never claimed so. Though I clearly misinterpreted their comment and it appears to be the whole west side as @aka Charles seems to have more correctly outlined. I was dumb and looking at that orientation of that aerial picture literally as opposed to the entire west portion from the lobby.

So I fully apologize for that misdirect which was entirely on me.
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...ent-near-fort-wilderness.938671/post-11246009

https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...ent-near-fort-wilderness.938671/post-11251686

 

[Mouseforward]

I’ve constantly been very upfront and sourced where this is coming from. I’m sorry that post I had not reiterated myself. If you look one post above yours, I already preemptively followed your advice.

Post one of this thread contains three links. I resumed the thread after 8 weeks hiatus directing people back to len testa and the poster who has the plans.

Len Testa is a fairly public facing individual at this point who has been provided a copy. We are a half step removed from a trust me bro. I’m asking you to trust Touring Plans.

Technically speaking, the onus of proof that the resort isn’t mixed is not on me. Disney announced it as mixed and has never once said otherwise.

Edit - here you are; again I’m not asking anyone to trust me, I’m not the source and have never claimed so. Though I clearly misinterpreted their comment and it appears to be the whole west side as @aka Charles seems to have more correctly outlined. I was dumb and looking at that orientation of that aerial picture literally as opposed to the entire west portion from the lobby.

So I fully apologize for that misdirect which was entirely on me.
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...ent-near-fort-wilderness.938671/post-11246009

https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...ent-near-fort-wilderness.938671/post-11251686

Do his room numbers line up with that? Unless the hotel rooms are quite small that is a small section to be 60% of the rooms.

 

[BrianLo]

Do his room numbers line up with that? Unless the hotel rooms are quite small that is a small section to be 60% of the rooms.

I think so, that's another reason I clearly jumped to the wrong conclusion. If you break it down into rooms assuming a 1B is 2x a Studio and 2B is 3x a studio then there are 513 DVC rooms and 600 hotel rooms? Then 2 mega cash rooms and 9 mega DVC rooms (however much they change the total balance).

If you look, while there is still 5-ish bricks of DVC and 4 of cash, 3 of the cash blocks seem longer to me. The cash rooms might also be slightly smaller than a DVC studio?

 

[Mouseforward]

I think so, that's another reason I clearly jumped to the wrong conclusion. If you break it down into rooms assuming a 1B is 2x a Studio and 2B is 3x a studio then there are 513 DVC rooms and 600 hotel rooms? Then 2 mega cash rooms and 9 mega DVC rooms (however much they change the total balance).

If you look, while there is still 5-ish bricks of DVC and 4 of cash, 3 of the cash blocks seem longer to me. The cash rooms might also be slightly smaller than a DVC studio?

That is what I would assume , and I could sort of see that the potential hotel side windows look smaller or at least appear to have smaller balcony space on the photo But its not the best photo angle

Now the question is why did they give the cash rooms clearly the worst "off side view" and potentially the worst lake view? Granted they are near the theme pool and L River and that may be more important.

 

[BrianLo]

That is what I would assume , and I could sort of see that the potential hotel side windows look smaller or at least appear to have smaller balcony space on the . But its not the best photo angle

Now the question is why did they give the cash rooms clearly the worst "off side view" and potentially the worst lake view? Granted they are near the theme pool and L River and that may be more important.

Definitely the priority seems to be on the main pool. I think a cash guest would be apoplectic being shoved in the boonies off on the last offshoot DVC wing overlooking the parking lot.

I'm not sure if those rooms by the Fort will be entirely awful. The low ones can look at landscaping and the higher ones actually should be sufficiently above the roofline to have a nicer view into the fort; being near to the Fort also would be advantageous. The rooms facing into the pool complex strike me as the most premium.

 

[Mouseforward]

Definitely the priority seems to be on the main pool. I think a cash guest would be apoplectic being shoved in the boonies off on the last offshoot DVC wing overlooking the parking lot.

I'm not sure if those rooms by the Fort will be entirely awful. The low ones can look at landscaping and the higher ones actually should be sufficiently above the roofline to have a nicer view into the fort; being near to the Fort also would be advantageous. The rooms facing into the pool complex strike me as the most premium.

I think the 60 % of the suspected DVC side facing the water and quiet pool + the 20% facing the lazy river will be PV and the 20% facing the parking lot will be SV - I do not know if they would stretch to call any TP view

The part facing the Fort would not be my choice to stay in on the cash side.

 

[mamaofsix]

Can't walk from the WL, path is blocked and has been since covid.

Yes, I was questioning what they did before that path was closed down. Did they stop guests from walking into the fort from WL pre- closure?

 

[Mouseforward]

Yes, I was questioning what they did before that path was closed down. Did they stop guests from walking into the fort from WL pre- closure?

They cracked down on it around a year before Covid so the closing of the path was about the same time as the enforcement of the no non FW guests

 

[DonkeyHoTay]

Trying to keep up with this thread - I want to stay at LSL someday!

I don’t see LL being combined with Fort wilderness campground. I do see I do see it possibly being combined with just the cabins.

It never occurred to me that CFW was/could be separated from the fort wilderness campground? I won't be buying points (ETA - who am I kidding?) at CFW or LSL anyway so it doesn't matter to me, but once upon a time I almost bought a favorite week at CFW because I love the Fort and we stay there every year - and I used to hope that LSL and CFW would be combined in the Trust so I could book either at 11 months. Now I'll just have to hope I can swim the LSL lazy river at 7 months.

 

[Brian Noble]

It would be very odd for the Cabins at Disney's Fort Wilderness Resort to not be considered part of Disney's Fort Wilderness Resort.

Not impossible, mind you. But odd.

 

[Mouseforward]

Trying to keep up with this thread - I want to stay at LSL someday!



It never occurred to me that CFW was/could be separated from the fort wilderness campground? I won't be buying points (ETA - who am I kidding?) at CFW or LSL anyway so it doesn't matter to me, but once upon a time I almost bought a favorite week at CFW because I love the Fort and we stay there every year - and I used to hope that LSL and CFW would be combined in the Trust so I could book either at 11 months. Now I'll just have to hope I can swim the LSL lazy river at 7 months.

The cabins are not a part of fort wilderness now in the same way CCV is not a part of wilderness lodge.

 

[maui22]

2000-2016, Villas at Wilderness Lodge.
2016-present now referred to as Boulder Ridge Villas.
Somewhere in there Copper Creek Villas was announced and was added to Wilderness Lodge area.

1971-present Cabins at Fort Wilderness.
2024 - CFW DVC sales started and opened.
Lakeshore Lodge announced as taking over the beach at Fort Wilderness area.
2027 - LSL will open.

Future seems very cloudy when I think about LSL and CFW may use the same park buses, share some roads, etc. If sharing, wouldn't LSL take on some of the shared expenses? Possibly lowering CFW dues?

 

[BrianLo]

2000-2016, Villas at Wilderness Lodge.
2016-present now referred to as Boulder Ridge Villas.
Somewhere in there Copper Creek Villas was announced and was added to Wilderness Lodge area.

1971-present Cabins at Fort Wilderness.
2024 - CFW DVC sales started and opened.
Lakeshore Lodge announced as taking over the beach at Fort Wilderness area.
2027 - LSL will open.

Future seems very cloudy when I think about LSL and CFW may use the same park buses, share some roads, etc. If sharing, wouldn't LSL take on some of the shared expenses? Possibly lowering CFW dues?

I suspect transportation will be separate myself. As will entry (coming via West Wilderness Way). At least the way they've laid out the entry road into the resort suggests such.

This is a relatively large resort and Fort Wilderness is already a large, spread out resort. RIV in no way integrated with Caribbean Beach and that resort (RIV) is fairly tiny.

I'm still on team they are entirely separate resorts with the caveat that the Cabins are selling so poorly, making it problematic to ignore that they may take the opportunity to do something about it.