Attack of the Lakeshore Lodge

[MerlinandtheMouse]

CFW points literally aren't gonna sell themselves and rolling them into a more attractive offering might be the only way Disney can sell out those points.

I think this reason alone outweighs all the other factors for or against combining Lakeshore Lodge into CFW's association/trust/whatever.

Said another way: they might be able to sell an additional 1-2mil points in the next 10-15 years if they combine vs. if they don't.

I don’t disagree with you but wow that’s a lot of points DVD is going to have to sell. A 900 room tower (with GVs!) made with current day point charts and the addition of just under 3mil cabin points? Anyone want to speculate how many points this behemoth will be? It’ll take forever to sell out regardless if they combine them or not

 

[Lorana]

I find it amusing how many people are referring to it as Lakeside Lodge. If they'd changed the name to River Country Lodge we'd all be saying it correctly, but they managed to tweak it just enough that we're all (myself included) saying the wrong name.

I'm starting to feel bad for whoever is in charge of the cabins and new lodge. They can't win for losing.

Ha! I guess Lakeside just sits more intuitively in my brain than Lakeshore.

 

[CraigInPA]

I just hope that DVC once again practices that time honored tradition of changing the name to something better prior to launching it for sale. Like others, I'm in the camp that "Lakeshore" isn't as easily memorable as "Lakeside".

 

[grepes]

Feels like a name out of Fortnite!

 

[Brian Noble]

A high end nature retreat coupled with a trailer park makes no sense to me. But we shall see.

I've been thinking about this.

Let's assume for a minute that almost everyone else sees things the same way you do. If the sales team does their job, the inclusion of the trailer park is strictly additive. For most buyers, you don't even have to mention them. I mean sure they'll be in the disclosures and the pamphlets, but most buyers are not thinking "What happens if I get stuck in the trailer park?" They are thinking "I want to stay in <insert unit type here> and this will let me do it!"

But every once in a while, you'll get a buyer who likes the idea of a quieter and more rustic experience. Then the agent can lean into it a little more.

Will all of the Guides get this? Probably not, but those who do will find their sales incentives a lot easier to hit.

A 900 room tower

I was of the opinion this would be 100% DVC. But the CFW disclosures that someone pointed to suggest that Disney is still preserving at least the possibility that this is mixed-use. That puts this more in the vicinity of Boardwalk.

 

[Brian Noble]

I can also imagine the trailer park being used to overcome "I don't get to stay many nights on 100 points" objections on the sales floor.

(And, in full disclosure, I like the Cabins. I would not own points homed at them for various reasons, but I would definitely like to stay there from time to time. They fit my typical travel party much better than THV, and I like the idea of standalone units with nearby parking.)

 

[disneylandtour]

I was of the opinion this would be 100% DVC. But the CFW disclosures that someone pointed to suggest that Disney is still preserving at least the possibility that this is mixed-use. That puts this more in the vicinity of Boardwalk.

Do we know if the room types will be different (hotel vs deluxe studio), or is this just a fallback plan if DVD can't easily sell a gazillion points for the tower + cabins, with very, very high MFs.

 

[meekey7197]

Feels like a name out of Fortnite!

Loot Lake Lodge

 

[meekey7197]

Is there any chance the “900 rooms” included the cabins from the start (don’t come at me if that’s a dumb question )

 

[DonMacGregor]

Is there any chance the “900 rooms” included the cabins from the start (don’t come at me if that’s a dumb question )

Considering Grand Floridian has a total of 867 rooms, assuming that 900 includes the cabins isn’t a dumb question at all.

 

[Brian Noble]

I vaguely recall that the "900 rooms" dates back to the original announcement---if they were already thinking about reno'ing the cabins back then, maybe they were part of the count. Hard to say.

 

[Mle8308]

I think the CFW high dues cost also add to the speculation that the high rise will be rolled in to bring dues down to a more modest level. The assumption was this might have been planned from the beginning.

I agree 100% and have been saying this for a while now. I may be wrong, and will admit it when and if the time comes. But I think it's a given that CFW and DLL will be the same association. And it's one of the reasons why they haven't been "discounting" CFW points, even though sales have been poor.

 

[Kailunkat]

I think the CFW high dues cost also add to the speculation that the high rise will be rolled in to bring dues down to a more modest level. The assumption was this might have been planned from the beginning.

Yes - the dues on the high rise rooms would certainly be lower. But don't forget that they are adding a big lazy river and pool complex which also adds a lot to the dues. The individual cabins and Mojo Dojo Casa Cabungaboats will add to the fees too (if they actually happen). It probably will be a wash unless a significant portion of the Lodge ends up being a hotel side (to soak up dues cost). If they aren't careful they will end up in the same situation as the cabins where people don't buy and just use SAP to avoid the dues.

 

[BrianLo]

Yes - the dues on the high rise rooms would certainly be lower. But don't forget that they are adding a big lazy river and pool complex which also adds a lot to the dues. The individual cabins and Mojo Dojo Casa Cabungaboats will add to the fees too (if they actually happen). It probably will be a wash unless a significant portion of the Lodge ends up being a hotel side (to soak up dues cost). If they aren't careful they will end up in the same situation as the cabins where people don't buy and just use SAP to avoid the dues.

The luxury cabins typically will bring maintenance fees down as they are significantly points heavy per sq footage.

I’m not opposed (even though I’m guessing against it) for the cabin inclusion. As it puts a significant rate limit on the new towers points chart. Disney severely undercutting the cabins points charts hurts the developer far more than it does the existing membership base.

 

[Paul Stupin]

For me, adding the cabins just kind of cheapens the new resort. And I don’t think they’ll they’ll act as any incentive for 99.99% of buyers. If it actually comes to pass, DVD will be doing it for financial reasons that solely benefit them.

And I actually like the name “lakeshore” rather than “lakeside.” Sounds a little more luxe and special, and less motel-ish to me.

 

[BayTower2010]

I have made clear that I am against this project. Want to change my stance, than make this a drop dead original design that knocks my socks off. Not some off the shelf Marriott design. We really do not know what the plan is, as they have not shared any updated plans.

 

[tom1944]

I have made clear that I am against this project. Want to change my stance, than make this a drop dead original design that knocks my socks off. Not some off the shelf Marriott design. We really do not know what the plan is, as they have not shared any updated plans.

Do you mean like a slide from certain rooms on the top floor as part of a lazy river pool.

 

[Cfabar1]

Do you mean like a slide from certain rooms on the top floor as part of a lazy river pool.

Are there any drawings that show the size/scope of the lazy river and pool area?

 

[Paul Stupin]

Do you mean like a slide from certain rooms on the top floor as part of a lazy river pool.

I don't think the fanciest slide in the world, or a blah lazy river pool (if the original design sticks) can compensate for the diminished theming, majesty and volume that have characterized the new DVC resorts since the opening of Riviera.

The new ones are still very nice, but they’re not jaw dropping like the Peter Dominick designed resorts of days past. I understand that they would be way too expensive and no doubt impractical to build now, but I still love being a part of them with Grand Floridian, Copper Creek and Aulani. It looks to me like Lakeshore Lodge will be a variation of the Disneyland and Island Towers. They all kind of look the same.

 

[Paul Stupin]

Are there any drawings that show the size/scope of the lazy river and pool area?

There was a layout floating around a few years ago that’s probably still out there. My impression was that the pool / lazy river area looked ok, not great. The river basically circled the pool if I remember correctly.