At what point does clothing become a "costume"?

[wilkeliza]

But that court decision was eventually followed up with more specific guidelines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it) because "I know it when I see it" is completely tied to one person's opinion and simply can't be enforced the same way by different people. Even if Disney doesn't publish it publicly, they've got to give some sort of clarification to their CMs, or the policy will mean nothing because everyone's thresholds are so different.

For instance, I don't see the wings on my Figment outfit as a costume piece any more than Mickey Ears or the big Goofy hats they sell, because I am obviously not a purple dragon. To me, all of those items are just cute accessories, and the wings are no different than the ones on the Figmet hats and hoodies they sell at Epcot. But Wilkeliza does think the wings make the outfit a costume. If a friend and I both wore that same outfit and a CM let my friend through, but another blocked me, we would be understandably confused and upset.

That's the one I was really iffy on. To me since Figment doesn't meet any more and you are only wearing an slightly altered head band and wings it is closer to a bound but some people will say if you have to make it yourself it is leaving the Disney bounding arena and entering the costume arena. Same goes for the lost girls outfit. Since you had to alter the original clothing it can be a costume. The last Ariel and the Lost Girls are the only ones I would hands down say cross the costume line. The Figment is a I would probably be more cautious and for now call it a costume but it really could go either way. For that one all they would have to do is say sorry ma'am you'll have to take off the headband and remove the wings.

 

[mitsukoshi samurai]

As long as the person wearing the uniform is military, then this is not a costume. In this case, they could request the person's military ID to verify, although I doubt they would request the ID.

Banning military uniforms because they are costumes is actuality against military regulations I think.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

I don't think they will have issues with a headband and wings.

 

[book_junkie]

Considering I was at the Studios today and they allowed adults to go around with Chewbacca fur backpacks, Leia buns, and Rey tops, along with a variety of Disbounders, I think it's going more the full-on costume things: storm trooper gear and Jedi robes around May 4th & 5th, that sort of thing.

The bigger problem is going to be having to explain to the international tourists who live in culture club and WOULD wear what we consider outrageous outfits in daily life that they can't wear their carefully created Minnie/Mickey/Duffy gear.

 

[Bluegrrl]

After watching White Christmas last night, my husband and I were looking up a bunch of stuff on when and where you are allowed to wear military clothes. He's former Air Force, and was saying that the General guy wasn't supposed to be in general clothing at the end of the movie. We looked it up, and there are MAJOR (major ) rules about when, were, and how you can wear your gear. So, don't think that will be a problem for the mouse. OF course, the General HAS to wear his uniform at the end because, well, plot and all.

Watch for the candles at the finale. The continuity on them is crazy - they are lit, then blown out, then lit again - it's nuts!

OK, back to regular is it - is it not a costume. Everyone is making great points, and I really wish Disney could have a solid policy. But it's such a sliding slope. I think the above posters Ariel, and Lost Girl costumes are too costumy looking for Disney. The Lost girl could be in a parade even. But how would Disney call it out? And how would they enforce it ("sorry, you have to go back to your hotel and change." or "Here, we have these plain pants and Mickey shirt - Change into them or we kick you out." ?)

 

[wilkeliza]

After watching White Christmas last night, my husband and I were looking up a bunch of stuff on when and where you are allowed to wear military clothes. He's former Air Force, and was saying that the General guy wasn't supposed to be in general clothing at the end of the movie. We looked it up, and there are MAJOR (major ) rules about when, were, and how you can wear your gear. So, don't think that will be a problem for the mouse. OF course, the General HAS to wear his uniform at the end because, well, plot and all.

Watch for the candles at the finale. The continuity on them is crazy - they are lit, then blown out, then lit again - it's nuts!

OK, back to regular is it - is it not a costume. Everyone is making great points, and I really wish Disney could have a solid policy. But it's such a sliding slope. I think the above posters Ariel, and Lost Girl costumes are too costumy looking for Disney. The Lost girl could be in a parade even. But how would Disney call it out? And how would they enforce it ("sorry, you have to go back to your hotel and change." or "Here, we have these plain pants and Mickey shirt - Change into them or we kick you out." ?)

Usually when an outfit is that called out they offer to buy the person a set of clothes. So you could get 150 worth of clothes out of Disney. Now that it is so publicly known though I can't imagine they will be buying clothes for clearly in costume people (tinks, princesses, storm troopers, full fur chewbacca etc) but would offer it to a case as the PP where it was a mistake between bound and costume.

 

[Doug M]

To me a costume is an outfit that copies a character or person's dress either in real life or in television or movies. Example the village people post above is costumes, while the dapper stuff or those girls way up in the thread are not. If you can tell the outfit is copying some figure, then that could reasonably be considered a costume. Disney could be more strict on Disney IP than others and i wouldn't have an issue.

 

[ArwenMarie]

@MeridaAnn I think you got it exactly right, the one that is closest to a costume IMO is the Lost Girl. The rest don't seem like costumes to me, even the Merida one because the skirt is short. If the skirt was long, then it would be too close. The Figment one doesn't seem any different than wearing a set of Minnie ears to me.

 

[Ladyfish77]

OF course, the General HAS to wear his uniform at the end because, well, plot and all.

Now to get totally off topic...the rule for military uniform wear change all the time. What was OK when that movie was filmed, might not be OK today, but FYI retired military are allowed to wear their uniforms at times. My DH (retired) wore his uniform when my DS got sworn in as a 2LT this past June (my DH was doing the swearing in ceremony).

To return to the subject at hand: military would not wear their uniform in the parks unless they were there for a military event (flag ceremony, etc).

 

[palmtreegirl]

Oh never mind. This is a silly thread.

 

[mitsukoshi samurai]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/protester-dressed-as-orca-at-orlando-airport-baggage-claim-arrested

just nailed ocra costumes at OIA

 

[Bluegrrl]

Ah, Camelot. 'Tis a silly place.

 

[mom2rtk]

After watching White Christmas last night, my husband and I were looking up a bunch of stuff on when and where you are allowed to wear military clothes. He's former Air Force, and was saying that the General guy wasn't supposed to be in general clothing at the end of the movie. We looked it up, and there are MAJOR (major ) rules about when, were, and how you can wear your gear. So, don't think that will be a problem for the mouse. OF course, the General HAS to wear his uniform at the end because, well, plot and all.

Watch for the candles at the finale. The continuity on them is crazy - they are lit, then blown out, then lit again - it's nuts!

LOL, you must have visited the same web site I did. My daughter and I have watched it several times this year and watched for the goofs (including the candles) on our latest viewing.

Great movie, great songs.

And the general had to wear his uniform because the rest of his suits were all at the cleaners.

 

[mitsukoshi samurai]

The real issue is that someone is going to show up in an old CM costume from a place like mouse surplus ETC.

 

[Princess Serendipity]

Perfect example below. Poster feels this is just a style choice. Maybe in another location, but here in the USA that to me is clearly costumes/cosplay. Cosplay = costumes. WAY more costume than my outfit. If costumes are banned on adults, these should be banned.

Those aren't costumes/cosplay, though- that's actually a fairly popular alternative fashion. There are lots of girls that actually dress like that everyday. Those are their actual clothes. I mean, they even have that Kawaii display in Epcot that has an (kind of poor attempt to be honest) outfit based on that fashion explaining that it is an actual legit style.

I will admit I have something of horse in this race, and this new regulation is giving me some trouble. While none of my clothes are costumes and are things I wear every day, I frequently get people asking me why I'm all dressed up, if I'm going to a party or a wedding (or if I just got married in one bizarre case) even when I'm in my most casual, I-just-threw-this-on-to-go-the-store clothes. And while I'm pretty sure most of my wardrobe will be just fine, I'm worried about bringing one of my favourite dresses that I put a lot of love and work into just because the skirt has about 10 yards of fabric and 20 yards of lace to it.

 

[HopperFan]

Those aren't costumes/cosplay, though- that's actually a fairly popular alternative fashion. There are lots of girls that actually dress like that everyday. Those are their actual clothes. I mean, they even have that Kawaii display in Epcot that has an (kind of poor attempt to be honest) outfit based on that fashion explaining that it is an actual legit style.

I will admit I have something of horse in this race, and this new regulation is giving me some trouble. While none of my clothes are costumes and are things I wear every day, I frequently get people asking me why I'm all dressed up, if I'm going to a party or a wedding (or if I just got married in one bizarre case) even when I'm in my most casual, I-just-threw-this-on-to-go-the-store clothes. And while I'm pretty sure most of my wardrobe will be just fine, I'm worried about bringing one of my favourite dresses that I put a lot of love and work into just because the skirt has about 10 yards of fabric and 20 yards of lace to it.

That's why all this vague is a problem. They aren't costumes to you. Those dresses are 100% costume to me. If I had employees try to come to work in that clothing I would send them home because it looks like costumes/cosplay. They are their interpretations of a Disney Character's costume. I'm not anti-having fun with it. I love steampunk, I've gone to DragonCon, I dress up for MNSSHP, I dress up big just to hand out Halloween candy .... and there is a place all that fits.

The question here is Disney is saying no costumes for teens/adults. What they haven't said is what is a costume. You can't have folks show up and it be up to the individual CM whether it's a costume. If you and I were working side by side, and those girls showed up and split in our lines. You would let your girls through and I would stop mine. Now what? Guests arguing and getting upset, managers being called over ..... a cluster.

 

[Princess Serendipity]

That's why all this vague is a problem. They aren't costumes to you. Those dresses are 100% costume to me. If I had employees try to come to work in that clothing I would send them home because it looks like costumes/cosplay. They are their interpretations of a Disney Character's costume. I'm not anti-having fun with it. I love steampunk, I've gone to DragonCon, I dress up for MNSSHP, I dress up big just to hand out Halloween candy .... and there is a place all that fits.

The question here is Disney is saying no costumes for teens/adults. What they haven't said is what is a costume. You can't have folks show up and it be up to the individual CM whether it's a costume. If you and I were working side by side, and those girls showed up and split in our lines. You would let your girls through and I would stop mine. Now what? Guests arguing and getting upset, managers being called over ..... a cluster.

I actually agree with you- Disney does need to clarify where they draw the line. That's probably what the biggest problem here is. Everything at this point is very subjective and that is going to cause strife with the guests.

Although I would like to say that those are not interpretations of Disney characters' costumes- I could probably point out to you what each dress is called and which brand/design house it's from (I have friends who wear the fashion and I just love fashion in general). I'm not trying to convince you that it doesn't look costume-ish because if that's how you feel, well that's how you feel- but I would like to really stress the fact that no matter what they look like, they're not costumes or Disneybounding gone too far. With the exception of the girl on the left who isn't wearing a label, they are real fashion pieces from real designers and real brands.

 

[HopperFan]

I actually agree with you- Disney does need to clarify where they draw the line. That's probably what the biggest problem here is. Everything at this point is very subjective and that is going to cause strife with the guests.

Although I would like to say that those are not interpretations of Disney characters' costumes- I could probably point out to you what each dress is called and which brand/design house it's from (I have friends who wear the fashion and I just love fashion in general). I'm not trying to convince you that it doesn't look costume-ish because if that's how you feel, well that's how you feel- but I would like to really stress the fact that no matter what they look like, they're not costumes or Disneybounding gone too far. With the exception of the girl on the left who isn't wearing a label, they are real fashion pieces from real designers and real brands.

I hear you. But it doesn't matter at all who the designer/brand are nor what it is classified by a set group of people.

It only matters what the visual affect is to and how Disney feels about it.

Guess we will all see if they enforce this new rule - after all they have lots of rules they don't enforce.

 

[larryz]

My point was that there is an element of common sense here.

Yeah. The problem, as I see it: absolute, measurable, enforceable rules usually cancel out one's ability to apply common sense.

 

[larryz]

Ah, Camelot. 'Tis a silly place.

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