Asthma Meds?

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My dd10 came to me last night after taking her meds and asked if the two inhalers were in the wrong boxes (they weren't). Apparently she was doing 4 puffs of Qvar and 2 puffs of Xoepenex instead of the other way around. She has done this twice a day since last Tuesday. She seems fine but does anyone know if this could cause more harm. She does have a heart condition and a clotting disorder. They haven't made a decision as to why her heart races and she gets light headed and dizzy - he said its probably some of the same issues as my older dd and if so we will know once she starts puberty and starts passing out. She also uses a nasal spray and allergy meds.
 
Honestly, I'd call your pharmacist and ask. You'll have better luck reaching the pharmacist and getting an accurate response than calling the doctor and waiting for a return call, but that's another option.

If she hasn't had any problem in the past week, she's *probably* fine -- especially now that you have corrected her on the proper dosing going forward. But I'd still check with the pharmacist.
 
I am a respiratory therapist and only doing that for a few days should be fine. My question for you is why is she doing 4 puffs of Xopenex? If she's just doing this as a daily med it should only be 2 puffs twice a day. Now my inner RT is kicking in... is she using s spacer with both inhalers??:scratchin
 
The Xoepenex is the emergency med. She had bad results on her lung function tests in Jan. They were repeated two weeks ago with the same results. The doc put her on 4 puffs twice a day until she is in check ( which I don't think will ever happen). She has the tests again next week. She does use a spacer.
 

I use a sharpie and write on the actual plastic inhaler case the instructions. Even I have to double check without writing it on. Not the answer to your question but a solution to your problem.
 
A little off topic..but when I saw "Xopenax" I wanted to respond. I asked for this drug to use in the nebulizer, but was informed docs are using it that much anymore. Is it used more in children vs adults? If anyone knows, please respond. I heard it was a good drug that had less side effects than albuterol.:)
 
I use a sharpie and write on the actual plastic inhaler case the instructions. Even I have to double check without writing it on. Not the answer to your question but a solution to your problem.

Or you can pull the labels off the boxes fairly easy and attach to the inhalers. We had to do this for cheer so our coach could carry my rescue inhalers and I still do this. It then has the name of who the inhaler is prescribed to and the dosage right there.
 
Qvar 4 puffs daily is a typical dose. Even 8 puffs a day would not be unusual for a short period of time.

Xopenex 4 puffs at one time is not a typical dose.

Call the doctor now and clarify.

Qvar is a daily controller inhaler, very important for asthma control.

Xopenex is a rescue inhaler for rapid relief of bronchospasm.

If your doctor is not explaining these things and giving good instructions you need to find a doctor board certified by the american board of allergy and immunology.
 
I use xopenex via nebulizer as an adult, it is even available as a generic now! I know there has been some question as to whether nebbing is more effective active than mdi, but for me it is.
 
I am a respiratory therapist and only doing that for a few days should be fine. My question for you is why is she doing 4 puffs of Xopenex? If she's just doing this as a daily med it should only be 2 puffs twice a day. Now my inner RT is kicking in... is she using s spacer with both inhalers??:scratchin


Wouldn't 2 puffs twice a day be 4 puffs?
 
A little off topic..but when I saw "Xopenax" I wanted to respond. I asked for this drug to use in the nebulizer, but was informed docs are using it that much anymore. Is it used more in children vs adults? If anyone knows, please respond. I heard it was a good drug that had less side effects than albuterol.:)

The studies they did to say there was fewer side effects was majorly flawed. The side effects are the same as albuterol. It is not used in kids any more then adults. Most insurance companies don't pay for it any more.
 
I use xopenex via nebulizer as an adult, it is even available as a generic now! I know there has been some question as to whether nebbing is more effective active than mdi, but for me it is.

If you can do the MDI correctly with a spacer it is just as effective as a neb.
 
It is the nebulizer that's not being used much anymore not the medication. She can't use Albuterol as she has a heart problem and the Albuterol makes her heart race, she gets jittery and it doesn't help with the wheezing/coughing. Btw the meds mix up did not cause any harm.
 
Albuterol and Xopenex are basically the same drug. The only difference is Xoponex is missing the one of the polymer chains that albuterol has. So the difference in side effects is minimal, if any. But some people have a placebo side effect between the drugs. You can tell them they are taking one or the other and they can or can't have side effects. That is why some insurance companies won't pay for it.
 
My children both have had to be taken off of Albuterol. My ds was 4 - way too young to have placebo side effects. His heart was besting almost twice as fast as it should, he couldn't even hold a crayon because his hands shook so bad. He was taken off and put on something else and they stopped. The hospital that did dds lung function tests documented that she is never to be given Albuterol again. She already has episodes of a racing heart, dizziness and chest pain and the Albuterol made it faster and did not relieve the asthma symptoms. These are children, they do not have fake side effects.
 
Albuterol and Xopenex are basically the same drug. The only difference is Xoponex is missing the one of the polymer chains that albuterol has. So the difference in side effects is minimal, if any. But some people have a placebo side effect between the drugs. You can tell them they are taking one or the other and they can or can't have side effects. That is why some insurance companies won't pay for it.

Xopenex is missing an enantiomer, not polymer chain.

And there is a difference, not just placebo.

INsurance companies don't care about side effects. they cover drugs whose manufacturers discount prices for them. It happens for all types of drugs. They'll deny drugs with less side effects if it costs them more.
 
This is my last post on this.

Does Xopenex Have Fewer Side Effects than Albuterol?

Albuterol is well-known to cause certain side effects, including muscle tremors, jitteriness, palpitations and increased heart rate. Early studies on Xopenex suggested that because far less medicine was needed to achieve the same benefit as albuterol, fewer side effects would occur. In addition, it was initially thought that the S-albuterol isomer was primarily responsible for many of the albuterol side effects, and therefore Xopenex, which does not contain the S-albuterol isomer, would cause few side effects.

Recent studies suggest, however, that the side effects of Xopenex are equivalent to albuterol, since it is actually the R-albuterol isomer that is responsible for the albuterol side effects. The S-albuterol isomer is inert, meaning is does not contribute to side effects. The package insert for Xopenex states that the rate of the above mentioned side effects are similar for equivalent doses of Xopenex and albuterol.

Albuterol (ALB) is a 50:50 racemic mixture of the (R)- and (S)-isomers of albuterol, whereas levalbuterol (LEV) contains only the (R)-isomer. The (S)-isomer is considered inactive and has demonstrated increased inflammatory stimuli in vitro. Studies have compared the efficacy and side effect profiles of these 2 agents in the clinical setting. Randomized, controlled trials with adequate sample size generally have demonstrated no significant differences between LEV and ALB on the outcomes of efficacy, occurrence of adverse effects, and hospital admissions for adults and children. At this time, the use of LEV instead of ALB is not strongly supported by the literature. (Formulary. 2009;44:108–118.) - See more at: http://formularyjournal.modernmedic...rsus-levalbuterol-pediat#sthash.fMNbasGF.dpuf


For children with acute asthma exacerbations, does levalbuterol work better or have fewer side effects than albuterol?

This study is a prospective randomized trial of 129 children two to 14 years of age who presented to the emergency department with an acute exacerbation of asthma. One half of the children received nebulized albuterol, and the other half received levalbuterol. The doses chosen were weight based, and participants were eligible to receive up to five nebulization treatments.

What was the outcome? There was no difference between these agents in any effectiveness outcomes, including asthma scores, FEV1 measures, number of nebulizations required, respiratory rates, pulse oximetry readings, length of emergency department care, or hospitalization rates (Table 1).

Levalbuterol has been promoted to have fewer side effects than albuterol. But were fewer side effects noted with this agent? Absolutely not

Table 1

Outcomes and Side Effects of Albuterol (Proventil) vs. Levalbuterol (Xopenex)
OUTCOMES/SIDE EFFECTS ALBUTEROL (N = 64) LEVALBUTEROL (N = 65)
Median change in pulse rate*
After first nebulization +8 bpm +9 bpm
After third nebulization† +21 bpm +22 bpm
After fifth nebulization‡ +18 bpm +18 bpm
Median change in respiratory rate*
After first nebulization –2 –2
After third nebulization† –4 –4
After fifth nebulization‡ –4 –5
Median change in pulse oximetry*
After first nebulization +1 +1
After third nebulization† +1 +1
After fifth nebulization‡ –1 +1
Side effects
Tremulousness 21 (33%) 24 (37%)
Nausea and vomiting 11 (17%) 5 (8%)
Headache 4 (6%) 8 (12%)
Lightheadedness 3 (5%) 9 (14%)

bpm = beats per minute.

*— Median changes reflect differences from baseline.

† — Albuterol (n = 58), levalbuterol (n=59).

‡ — Albuterol (n = 17), levalbuterol (n = 16).

§ — One child receiving racemic albuterol had tachycardia (more than 200 bpm), and one child receiving levalbuterol had an elevated temperature (100.4°F [38°C]) before discharge.

Adapted with permission from Qureshi F, Zaritsky A, Welch C, Meadows T, Burke BL. Clinical efficacy of racemic albuterol versus levalbuterol for the treatment of acute pediatric asthma. Ann Emerg Med. 2005;46(1):33–34.


Direct from the Xopenex insert shows no difference with tachycardia.

Table 3: Adverse Events Reported in a 4-Week, Controlled Clinical Trial in Adolescents ≥12 years old
Percent of Patients
Body System
Placebo Xopenex 1.25 mg Xopenex0.63 mg Racemic albuterol2.5 mg

Cardiovascular System
Tachycardia 0 2.7 2.8 2.7


These are just a few of the studies out there that show there really is no difference.
 
Sounds like you are on the medical side or insurance side. My question is have YOU used them? Do YOUR children use them?

All 3 of my children have and I'm saying I have seen the differences. My pediatrician acknowledged the differences in side effects and even the local childrens hospital advised us to never give my dd10 Albuterol again
 
This thread has turned into a debate of side effects of a medication. OP's question has been asked and answered. There is nothing further to be gained by continuing the discussion.

Take-away points:
It is a good idea to always double-check dosages of any medication, even ones that are taken regularly.
Side effects of various kinds can and do occur with any medication, some patients experience side effects different than other patients.
Studies and reports do not rule out that an individual might experience negative side effects.
 
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