Asking for id for a three year old

[DawnM]

Yeah, count me in on the "don't include me in that!"

My coworker actually laughed at me once because I was so careful to not take anything that belonged to the school home with me.

He was like, "Dawn, it is JUST a pen!" But you know what? those pens were purchased for my use at work, not to take home so that we would have to buy more.

Dawn

"Most of Us" would not include me. I have never asked my kids to lie for me, and I never will. I don't take home extra condiments to use for later. I've never taken anything (such as office supplies) from a job. If I called in to work for personal business, I told the just that, I had personal business to take care of. Just because you have chosen to live your live that way does not mean that many people do.

 

[CampbellScot]

Okay I SWEAR I am done after this one thing...

A belief in Santa Claus cannot be compared to lying about your child's age to avoid paying for a ticket. Apples and Oranges. Actually if you want to get technical, St. Nicholas was in fact a real person. Allowing your child to believe in a Christmas tradition has nothing to do with ethics or the moral issue behind stealing and lying.

I don't think the feeling or the intent behind the belief in a mythical character has anything to do with the deceit and selfishness of stealing. It is not the same thing. Do you walk around WDW saying to your child "That is not Mickey Mouse. It is a person inside a suit." If you don't then you are going against your own argument of the "lie" of Santa Claus. I'm going to bet that you allow your child to feel the joy of seeing Mickey and the Princesses and anyone else that might light up their little eyes? FURTHER MORE...the belief or not in Santa Claus or any other mythical character is that "personal choice" people were trying to attach to lying about their child's age. You have every right to instruct your children however you will...no matter what anybody else thinks. That is your business. It is also not ILLEGAL. Which is really where the bottom line is. Theft of services is an arrestable offense...not allowing your child a belief in Santa Claus is not.

It just isn't the same thing. I'm not sure what it is you are arguing against as you seem to be agreeing with the rest of us.

I actually have some laudry to do myself...it never dang ends does it?

Have a good night all. My husband has suspended my computer rights for the evening...aka he's WHINING! He feels neglected...I'm sure he'll feel LESS neglected as I am doing his laundry...

 

[djm99]

Okay I SWEAR I am done after this one thing...

A belief in Santa Claus cannot be compared to lying about your child's age to avoid paying for a ticket. Apples and Oranges. Actually if you want to get technical, St. Nicholas was in fact a real person. Allowing your child to believe in a Christmas tradition has nothing to do with ethics or the moral issue behind stealing and lying.

Yes he was a real person (maybe not how he’s presented today) but does he come down chimneys delivering toys to present day boys and girls all over the world made by elves, while riding on a flying sleigh led by reindeer. This story is so ridiculous just tying it The answer: NO - you resolve to think that’s not lying when in deed its just that - just admit it - its part of now American culture - but yet a lie

It just isn't the same thing. I'm not sure what it is you are arguing against as you seem to be agreeing with the rest of us. :

I am agreeing with you - lying and stealing and wrong - ALL lying and ALL stealing is wrong. Simple, no wiggle room. For whatever reason many think that some lies are okay but others are not - that’s my only argument. My point was and remains to be that if you are free from lies don't condemn. Theft in the Santa situation may have been a bad analogy - but the lying is just the same. “Timmy, if asked say you are 2 just today” or Mommy will say you are two today and “Yes, Timmy Santa will bring you that shinning bike if you are good” - BOTH LIES!!! You are just comfortable with the Santa lie. Its okay!!! Just be honest it about!!! Its tradition – not good tradition IMO, but I do understand. I mean that sincerely.

When I was little and would visit my grandparents I was always getting caught "finger dipping" in the butter and peanut butter . They knew it was me, but they'd ask, "Did you put your finger in that peanut butter" I always lied and said no. My grandpa would say, if you lie you'd steal and if you steal you'd kill - so let this lesson (usually some sort or punishment or spanking) stop you right here. Tell the truth - all truth -----

BTW, while at WDW - my daughter when she was 4 maybe, asked, "is that the real Mickey Mouse” (she only asked because she had a Cinderella disappointing break down - she'd only seen Cinderella as Brandy at the time) anyway- I responded NO - as a matter of fact - my DH and I both feel EXTREMELY strong about distinguishing the difference between make believe and reality. My daughter has a vivid imagination and it is exceptionally important to separate the two.

 

[CampbellScot]

stealing is illegal...believing in Santa Claus and Mickey Mouse is not. Comparing a belief in Santa Claus and Mickey Mouse to stealing is rediculous. It has nothing to do with stealing. You seem to have issue with the word "LYING"...how about Law Abiding...does that work for you?

It doesn't matter what you say or how you present it. Stealing is not a lawful act. When you do it...you are breaking the law.

Expounding upon historical belief in myth and the whether belief in that myth does in fact constitute a lie for page after page will not change that.

Bottom line: If you LIE about your child's age to avoid paying for a ticket into Walt Disney World, you are STEALING. Period. It costs those of us who are LAW ABIDING, whether we are LIARS or not. How's that? Make more sense?

Stop trying to sully the good name of Santa Claus. Sheesh.

 

[dunnhorn]

Man, the view from all of those ivory towers must be very nice.

 

[CampbellScot]

the view is lovely thanks...I really wanted the Poly, but the Ivory Towers were so much more AFFORDABLE.

 

[zdesiree]

Honestly, I don't think that the mayor issue here is lying, because the truth can be twisted in so many ways, and a white lie can sometimes save the emotional health of someone. Don't tell me that if someone close to your child, like a sibling, has an accident, you will tell your kid exactly how horrible the accident was, and don't answer that you will just omit those parts, because to omit is another way of lying. And what about babies, if your 3 years old asks you how babies come, you will tell them exactly how the business is done, with the pros and cons, to a 3 years old? But, stealing is stealing no matter what, no matter the age, there is no twist on that, it's against the law.

 

[djm99]

stealing is illegal...believing in Santa Claus and Mickey Mouse is not. Comparing a belief in Santa Claus and Mickey Mouse to stealing is rediculous. It has nothing to do with stealing. You seem to have issue with the word "LYING"...how about Law Abiding...does that work for you?

It doesn't matter what you say or how you present it. Stealing is not a lawful act. When you do it...you are breaking the law.

Expounding upon historical belief in myth and the whether belief in that myth does in fact constitute a lie for page after page will not change that.

Bottom line: If you LIE about your child's age to avoid paying for a ticket into Walt Disney World, you are STEALING. Period. It costs those of us who are LAW ABIDING, whether we are LIARS or not. How's that? Make more sense?

Stop trying to sully the good name of Santa Claus. Sheesh.

Oh boy - the lie would have to be told FIRST - nothing tangible (arguably) is being stolen. Okay – the ability to ride is tangible. To steal often refers to a tangible object, property - I see this WHOLE ISSUE as a lie. Many are seeing this as tangle therefore stealing - See, I can agree to disagree - I see this whole issue as a lie!! IMO, its not like walking in a restaurant that allows free meals for ages 5 and under and your child just turned 6. You are clearly stealing food. When you walk in a Disney Park - any tangible thing you want has to be paid for. The only thing IMO that the FREE child would take is space. Nothing Tangible. How much is the 3 year going to ride (see now you have me confused, I'm taking the side of the lying, theft family).

Okay I’m tired – don’t lie and don’t steal – PERIOD!!!!!!! That is the lesson for today!!!! Don't make me respond again - you know I will ------

 

[djm99]

Honestly, I don't think that the mayor issue here is lying, because the truth can be twisted in so many ways, and a white lie can sometimes save the emotional health of someone. Don't tell me that if someone close to your child, like a sibling, has an accident, you will tell your kid exactly how horrible the accident was, and don't answer that you will just omit those parts, because to omit is another way of lying. And what about babies, if your 3 years old asks you how babies come, you will tell them exactly how the business is done, with the pros and cons, to a 3 years old? But, stealing is stealing no matter what, no matter the age, there is no twist on that, it's against the law.

God is my witness - I told her actually where babies come from - she still doesn't believe me. She thinks they come out of a belly button. So cute, but I told her the truth. Now I did conveniently omit how one gets pregnant. She was distracted by where they come from to remember to ask me how one becomes pregnant - thank God. If she'd ask, I wouldn't lie, I would had told her that - this conversation is one we will have when you are a little older. No need to lie. She and DH are both pressuring me to have a brother or sister for her so this is a regular conversation in my home. She is often "jealous" to hear her friend’s mothers are having babies and her mom is just not quit ready.

 

[SmallWorld71]

Hi,
I don't want to get involved in any debate. Just wanted to say that in over 10 trips over the last 30 years, a CM has never asked about ages. Not mine or my siblings ages as children, not nieces, nephews, friend's kids or my own kids. It never occured to me to bring a birth certificate. I now wonder if I should when we go in August. DS#2 will be 8 1/2. Close to the next change in prices.
And, for what it's worth. When DD4 was 2, if you asked her age she might have said 2 or she might have said 6, her favorite age just like her brother. I'm sure they wouldn't have believed her though.

 

[sha_lyn]

Oh boy - the lie would have to be told FIRST - nothing tangible (arguably) is being stolen. Okay – the ability to ride is tangible. To steal often refers to a tangible object, property - I see this WHOLE ISSUE as a lie.

Yes something tangible is stolen. It isn't called theft of services for nothing.

 

[DaisyLynn]

This is not an issue in which people can just "agree to disagree". Stealing is illegal. It's against the law. Respectfully acknowledging another's choice to steal?! I don't get it.

Stealing is not the issue I'm "agreeing to disagree" with. Stealing is wrong. If I saw someone doing it, I'd say something. The issue I'm talking about and the whole reason I posted in the first place is the rude comments being made by other posters, who I won't quote directly because I don't feel I need to call any one person out. People who may have well said "you're a crappy mom" and gotten it over with (this was, of course, pages ago). Again, stealing is wrong. This is what I believe to be very true. Go ahead and tell the person who posted about what she does that she is wrong for stealing, that's fine. What I didn't like was seeing people say things like "you teach your children to lie" and "are you that cheap" and "why not pull one over on the airlines". Nowhere did she say she asked her children to lie. It's not nice to make cutting comments like that, no matter how wrong you think it is. That's all I was trying to say. In far too many words!

 

[nadinec]

i think I should have explained myself more on the thread I first posted. I dont think it would make much difference to the people with the excellent moral values who will most liklely have all the child rearing books in their collection.

I am from the uk and at present it is expensive to travel to the US, The trip alone in costing £3.000 $5700 on top of this we are taking $3280. So I am only asking to save $300 on a pass for a child who will be 3yrs 2weeks old when we go.

Mybe I should cancel the trip upet my children and go to Spain and give Spain my money.

I also have a 11yr old and I will be paying adult price for him which in the UK he would still be classed as a child.

 

[bellarella]

Mybe I should cancel the trip upet my children and go to Spain and give Spain my money.

Yes, I would actually do that. Disney sets the rules. If you don't like the rules then you don't go. There is no middle ground. You should absolutely send your money to a place where you and the recipient see eye to eye. If Disney misses your business then they will change their policies.

If you don't like the prices at a grocery store, you choose a different one to shop at. You don't try to walk out with half your items stuffed in your jacket pockets.

 

[zdesiree]

God is my witness - I told her actually where babies come from - she still doesn't believe me. She thinks they come out of a belly button. So cute, but I told her the truth. Now I did conveniently omit how one gets pregnant. She was distracted by where they come from to remember to ask me how one becomes pregnant - thank God. If she'd ask, I wouldn't lie, I would had told her that - this conversation is one we will have when you are a little older. No need to lie. She and DH are both pressuring me to have a brother or sister for her so this is a regular conversation in my home. She is often "jealous" to hear her friend’s mothers are having babies and her mom is just not quit ready.

You said it. God is your witness, so he knows exactly if you lied, why you did it, if it was in order to protect your child or to save $300.00. If someone wants to do harm to my kid and asks me with a gun in my head where is my kid, you can be sure I will put my kid's life first and lie to the person. God as my witness knows why I did it. Sometimes you have to think of the consequences of some truths that may put in danger your kids life, innocence or emotional health because his not mature enough to handle that kind of truth. You said it yourself, you omitted some info with the baby issue, you told your kid half the truth, and why? Because you as a parent was protecting your kid and that is a natural instinct and God knows that.

I'm not trying to change your mind, only trying to explain how other people may see this issue. We are all individuals with individual mind, which at the end God as our witness, will know exactly what was in our minds.

 

[zdesiree]

Yes, I would actually do that. Disney sets the rules. If you don't like the rules then you don't go. There is no middle ground. You should absolutely send your money to a place where you and the recipient see eye to eye. If Disney misses your business then they will change their policies.

If you don't like the prices at a grocery store, you choose a different one to shop at. You don't try to walk out with have your items stuffed in your jacket pockets.

Ditto

 

[Mouse House Mama]

i think I should have explained myself more on the thread I first posted. I dont think it would make much difference to the people with the excellent moral values who will most liklely have all the child rearing books in their collection.

I am from the uk and at present it is expensive to travel to the US, The trip alone in costing £3.000 $5700 on top of this we are taking $3280. So I am only asking to save $300 on a pass for a child who will be 3yrs 2weeks old when we go.

Mybe I should cancel the trip upet my children and go to Spain and give Spain my money.

I also have a 11yr old and I will be paying adult price for him which in the UK he would still be classed as a child.

I agree- go to Spain. You will probably save even more money.

 

[djm99]

You said it. God is your witness, so he knows exactly if you lied, why you did it, if it was in order to protect your child or to save $300.00. If someone wants to do harm to my kid and asks me with a gun in my head where is my kid, you can be sure I will put my kid's life first and lie to the person. God as my witness knows why I did it. Sometimes you have to think of the consequences of some truths that may put in danger your kids life, innocence or emotional health because his not mature enough to handle that kind of truth. You said it yourself, you omitted some info with the baby issue, you told your kid half the truth, and why? Because you as a parent was protecting your kid and that is a natural instinct and God knows that.

I'm not trying to change your mind, only trying to explain how other people may see this issue. We are all individuals with individual mind, which at the end God as our witness, will know exactly what was in our minds.

Yes I wrote God is my witness and I stand by EVERYTHING I wrote. I know that HE hears all lies - my question is - did you know that? I'm not trying to insult you. Not my intention. I apologize humbly if you are offended. I mean that sincerely. And yes I do see other peoples view - but for whatever reason - you can't see mine. Yet you pointed out that God knows if I lied - as if he will excuse other lies in the "name of innocence" - no way. And even in an emotional health situation or the saving of innocence situation, sometimes the "truth" is best said unsaid. I have a reputation of being the friend that "tells it like it is" (hopefully tastefully) if you don't want the truth don't ask JOY. I'm okay with that. Sometimes telling the truth has placed me in really bad situations, but it was the truth – how can you argue with that. Telling the truth has also earned me much respect in my life and I'm proud my reputation.

 

[maxiesmom]

Yes, I would actually do that. Disney sets the rules. If you don't like the rules then you don't go. There is no middle ground. You should absolutely send your money to a place where you and the recipient see eye to eye. If Disney misses your business then they will change their policies.

If you don't like the prices at a grocery store, you choose a different one to shop at. You don't try to walk out with half your items stuffed in your jacket pockets.

Exactly!

 

[zdesiree]

Yes I wrote God is my witness and I stand by EVERYTHING I wrote. I know that HE hears all lies - my question is - did you know that? I'm not trying to insult you. Not my intention. I apologize humbly if you are offended. I mean that sincerely. And yes I do see other peoples view - but for whatever reason - you can't see mine. Yet you pointed out that God knows if I lied - as if he will excuse other lies in the "name of innocence" - no way. And even in an emotional health situation or the saving of innocence situation, sometimes the "truth" is best said unsaid. I have a reputation of being the friend that "tells it like it is" (hopefully tastefully) if you don't want the truth don't ask JOY. I'm okay with that. Sometimes telling the truth has placed me in really bad situations, but it was the truth – how can you argue with that. Telling the truth has also earned me much respect in my life and I'm proud my reputation.

Nahhh. Forget about it, for what I see this can go and go and go and go with you, and for what, anyway at the end God is the final judge.

See ya!