ARTICLE: Children who are spanked have lower IQs

[Shelton123]

With some children, talking doesn't work. Some children need to be spanked to learn discipline.

It's complete and total **** churned out from more "scientists" just to lower "child abuse" rates. Oh, and spanking isn't child abuse, because it's not like the child is hurt for an extended period of time, nor is it actually physically harming the child. A child is usually not going to be bruised because of a little spanking.

 

[luvsJack]

Wow! Snark much! I don't know where you live, but schools automatically test kids in the 3rd and 4th grade for the MG and AP classes!

I am assuming "MG" is gifted and "AP" is advanced placement? Here they do not do IQ test for the AP classes. The recommendation for AP classes comes from the present year teacher. There is some evaluation done but not an IQ test. I was told that they found that IQ tests really are not always a good measure of how well a student will or won't do in a class.

As for the gifted program, they are tested for that but only the students that the regular classroom teacher feels are gifted are tested.

In reality, everyone keeps talking about their IQ and their college degrees. One does not have everything to do with the other. A person with a lower IQ but a lot of grit, want to and determination can graduate from college with a 4.0 and a person with a high IQ can flunk out in one semester. Having or not having a high IQ does not mean someone is destined to succeed or fail in higher ed.


As for the so called study: HOGWASH!! Whether one believes in spanking or not I don't see how they could believe this silliness.

 

[Shelton123]

If your kids are so smart, how come you have to spank them at all?

BTW, kudos for having all those IQs at the tips of your fingers. Is testing mandatory in your family?

Jane

Umm yeah because smart = well behaved ALL THE TIME. It's only the stupid kids that act up :rolleyes Yeah those smart kids are just BORN with discipline, aren't they?

Sarcasm aside, I know quite a few smart kids who got in trouble a lot, and they obviously needed discipline. Who's to say that smart kids don't need spankings? It really depends on the kid.

 

[Planogirl]

At one time many kids were spanked - it was just normal! Other things that are no longer accepted were done back then too and while I'm not advocating anything in particular I will say that it's a wonder that whole generations were even able to function at one time.

 

[kellyg403]

I can say that I just don't believe what the article is saying...and like another said, I guess reading the whole study may change my mind but as of this moment for this article..it is pretty much, well, crazy.

When I was in high school many many moons ago, it wasn't uncommon for your parents to not have been college graduates. In our area you had the factory and the military. But, pretty much all of my friends went to college because this was their parents one major goal in life...get their kids a college degree. Their second major goal as parents was to spank us until we got the message on how to act in public and teach us 'respect'. So, when I see those studies about how 'your child will more likely go to college if you and your parents and your grandparents went' I always think back to the late 70's and my area of the world.

Kelly

 

[Mouse House Mama]

It's those darn spankings. The backslap with moms ring across my face--really affected my spelling skills.

Nah, the ring was the early child ID system. You know how parents on the Dis are always looking for those child tattoos to put their info on? Your Mom was just being thrifty and stamping you with your ID.

 

[hrh_disney_queen]

I was spanked as a child (not often-never with a belt) and I have a BSA from UofM. My mom did not go to college, my dad went to community college for a trade. DH was spanked as a child with a belt and he has two BA's and is working on his Masters. His father (who did the spanking) was an internist and his mom was a teacher. My DS's were both spanked occasionally and DS11 is in the upper 5% IQ. I haven't had DS9's tested, but he is consistently on high honor roll.

 

[AntePrincess]

So what? It's clear that this study is marred by the confounding variable that parents higher educational attainment are less likely to spank, and also more likely to provide the sort of enriched environment that tends to raise IQ. I don't need a study telling me my kid will be smarter if I don't hit her in order to prevent me from hitting her, just like I don't need a study telling me she'll be smarter if I read to her in order to read to her. Reading is just what we do, spanking is simply off the menu in our house. I was spanked growing up, my husband was spanked growing up. We lived and have a great relationship with my parents, who incidentally don't believe in spanking anymore. I wouldn't comment on our respective intelligences.

 

[Carly_Roach]

IMO the only prevailing factor in how high an IQ score anyone will get on the day of the test is.......

....how much sleep the person got the night before the test.

These tests are snapshots into two hours of one person's life. They don't measure how much you know but, rather, your abilities to figure out problems. And these abilities change from year to year, week to week and even day to day depending on how well you feel.

Obviously if you have the flu then you're not going to do well trying to figure out how to get three boxes down to two boxes moving only one line. Unfortunately, if the IQ test is that day and you have to take it, then you'll be saddled with "retarded growth - recommend education on eating meals with a straw" on your ticket for the rest of your life.

I'm with the person who said that these kinds of studies only show what the group conducting the study wants them to show. I'm sure there will be other studies that show spanking makes kids smarter because it teaches them how to figure out how not to get caught.

 

[agnes!]

What always intrigues me are the organizations behind any announced research in the news (as in "there are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics".)

I am interested in exactly *who* or *what* the "Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation"(PIRE) is - they are one of the main sponsoring groups behind this "Corporal Punishment Lowers IQs" study - and exactly who or what HBSA, Inc.

the contributing organization to PIRE

is.
http://www.pire.org/corpofficers.asp?cms=139

I am not casting aspersions on the research per se, I am just wondering if the sponsoring organizations (whoever they are...and good luck on finding that out) have any particular axes to grind. The original article seems to have been accepted for scholarly journal publication in April 2009.

Received 10 September 200B; revised 23 December 2008; revised 10 February 2009; accepted 21 April 2009

Oh, if anyone actually wants to read the scholarly article at this point in the DIS'ing, here's a link to the complete "Journal of Aggression, Maltreatment and Trauma" article (I see shortbun also mentioned it in another DIS CB thread):
http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/CP51.pdf

agnes!

 

[pigletgirl]

Ha, I think the child who does something bad to warrant the spanking has the lower IQ, and NOT from the slap on the booty.

 

[eliza61]

I know it's not true in every case, but I would guess that parents who spank have less education than those that don't. I honestly don't know anyone here who spanks their children.

Not by a long shot. My parents spank and both were exceptionally smart with high IQ's

My siblings and I are pretty intelligent. Phd's, lawyers, etc etc.

I wonder if I charge a trip to disney world could I some how say childhood spanking causes me to spend too much money?? LOL

I think it's just another "study" funded by some research student that pretty much can be construed any which way.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Complete nonsense.

 

[bethy]

I don't care whether the study is reliable or not.

I can't wrap my head around the fact that so many feel it's OK to hit a defenseless child but not an adult.

 

[eliza61]

I don't care whether the study is reliable or not.

I can't wrap my head around the fact that so many feel it's OK to hit a defenseless child but not an adult.

Hey, I've got some adults that I've wanted to take a whack at and they already have low IQ's

Sorry that it upsets you so much. I'm sure some where, some body also feels like making defenseless children eat broccoli is also damaging. I'm just not one of them.
Like I said I got spanked when I was young and so far no psychological damage done. Humm, I wonder if my habit of over eating any thing with chocolate can be traced back to my spankings.
My kids got spanked a time or two, their straight A students, one in h.s. one in college so who really knows. at time I must have thought it was OK since I did it and I wasn't arrested (ahh the good old days. ) and I'm definitely not losing sleep over it now.

 

[agnes!]

Kind of off-topic...

"The Journal of Aggression, Maltreatment and Trauma" is edited by Dr. Robert Geffner. Geffner is an Editor-in-Chief of four scholarly journals (including the JAMT) for Routledge/Taylor & Francis Group, Routledge is the JAMT publisher). He is also President of Alliant International University's Institute on Violence, Abuse & Trauma. When the California School of Professional Psychology is mentioned in any background on Geffner, it should also be remembered that the CSPP is headquartered at Alliant.

From http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/haworth-journals.asp :

Taylor & Francis Group acquired the Haworth Press journal and book list sometime during 2007 [or 2008 according to other sources]. Journal publications formerly published by Haworth Press are now listed on the Taylor & Francis Journals website

I am just trying to drill down through the layers of information to find the background of the study's main author and of its editor. Geffner was formerly a Professor of Psychology at University of Texas/Tyler, ran a mental-health clinic in Texas for some 15 or 16 years and has been licensed in California & Texas. I have been unable to find out where he received his Ph.D. or his other degrees from. All the bios & CVs online present the same information over and over again.

I am not necessarily saying the the study in and of itself is invalid, I am just an info-geek and what people choose to say publicly about themselves and their backgrounds - completely true or not - has always interested me.

agnes!

 

[~Kik-Kik~]

Spanking is nessary. It's like a burn. If you toch something hot you get burned. If you do something bad you get spanked. I personally believe more in positive reinforcement, but I don't think a spanking is bad. Somethins it's absolutly needed!

 

[~Kik-Kik~]

I know it's not true in every case, but I would guess that parents who spank have less education than those that don't. I honestly don't know anyone here who spanks their children.

A spank is controlled and on the butt most of the time. It stings, like a shot. You don't punch them! A spank is far from a hit and I'm sorry that you cant separate the two.

 

[BeachGirlFLA]

I was spanked and my IQ is in the 160's (actually, it was off the scale on everything except Visual Perception, which was just average, according to the psychologist who administered the test to me when I was 17), so personally I don't believe it.

 

[diznygirl]

I don't care whether the study is reliable or not.

I can't wrap my head around the fact that so many feel it's OK to hit a defenseless child but not an adult.

There are definitely some adults that didn't get spanked often enough growing up.