Are your televisions prepared for 2009?

Are your televisions prepared for 2009?

  • Yes, we're all set

  • No, but I know exactly what we're going to have to buy to make that happen

  • No, I have no idea what we're going to do

  • I don't really care if we can't watch television anymore


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UPDATE TO THIS IN MESSAGE #100 ON PAGE 7, based on an FCC meeting held this week, as well as other news. [Link]

Please feel free to ask questions! Those of us who know will be glad to try to explain any of this as best as we can!

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Original Message:

A few important changes are coming down the pike, and I'm wondering how many folks are aware of them, and also wonder how the changes will affect people. The poll is just about whether you were aware of these things; but please post a reply to tell use how these things (now that you're aware of them) will affect you.

First: On February 17, 2009, all television stations which broadcast the kind of television signals that we've been using for over 50 years (NTSC or "analog"), will be required to cease operating. Instead, most stations will begin (or continue) broadcasting a new type of signal (ATSC or "digital"), which televisions produced prior to 1996 were incapable of utilizing, and only a small percentage of the televisions produced over the last ten years are capable of utilizing. (Basically, if you paid less than $500 for your television, prior to this year, it is quite likely that your television will not be able to receive television broadcasts after February 2009.)

Estimates are that only about 30% of homes rely exclusively on NTSC/analog broadcast to receive television, but many more homes, perhaps the vast majority, have at least one television that is used to receive over-the-air, NTSC/analog broadcasts, at least on occasion -- and of course those televisions will no longer be able to do so in another couple of years.

(Next year, the government will issue two $40 coupons to each household requesting them, to help defray the costs associated with purchasing digital converter boxes to receive ATSC/digital broadcasts.)

Second: Last month, the people of the City of Chicago were the first to be affected by the digital conversion affecting cable television. The cable system there went "all-digital". And Friday night, the FCC issued a set of waivers that were directly aimed at prompting cable systems nationwide to follow the same path, thereby making any non-digital televisions unable to receive even cable television, without a converter box. For the cable systems that choose to take advantage of the waiver (a list which includes the potential powerhouse, Verizon), the deadline is December 31, 2009.

So the question to you is: Are your televisions prepared for 2009? If you routinely use televisions for receiving broadcasts over-the-air, do all those televisions have digital tuners in them (you can tell because you enter channel numbers with dashes in them, like "38-1"), or do you have a digital tuner converter box for each one? If not, what are your plans in that regard? If all of your televisions are connected to cable, do they all have QAM tuners (again, you can tell you're using a QAM tuner because the channel numbers have dashes in them), or do you have a cable converter box for each one? If not, what are your plans in that regard? (Note that there is no coupon program to support purchase of QAM converter boxes, but many ATSC converter boxes, especially the ones that cost a lot more than $40 each, will support QAM conversion as well.)
 
I've heard about this but....I haven't been able to get a broadcast signal for YEARS! Reception is horrible in this city unelss you've got an antenna on your roof. I gave in and got cable....I don't get why you would need a converter? I have a cord this plugs into my TV, there is no cable box, just basic cable.
 
Um... wow. I didn't really understand any of that. My tv is probably close to 10 years old, but it works just fine now. I do have digital cable, and it works just fine with that, not sure if that makes any difference.

Oh well, two years is a long way away, so I'll care at that point. :)
 

I have no idea what all that was that I just read. I have a crazy german tv that is almost 10 years old. I use regular cable with no digital cable box. I guess this means I have an excuse for a new tv.
 
Yes, I knew about this.

Basically it means that everyone will need to buy new TVs that are compatible with the new broadcast technology by 2009.
 
My TV is near 20 years old and works fine with digital cable. I have not heard any of this before, and if it's the case that cable alone won't work without a box then the cable companies better start charging less to have multiple boxes in a home. Only our downstairs has digital cable (with a box) but our two upstairs are just regular cable. There will be quite an outcry of severely unhappy people if you'll have to pay an extra 10 to 15 dollars a month for every extra box added!
 
I really have no idea.
I know we have digital cable, but our TVs are old-the one in the LR is 6-8years old, the one in our bedroom is hmm maybe 10-12 years old and the one in the playroom my husband got for his 20th birthday, June 1987. LOL

I would guess that we would get converters for the bedroom and the playroom(move the LR TV down to the playroom) and get a new flat screen for the LR.

I am sure DH knows what's going on and what we'll do though-when the one in the LR stopped working he lasted an hour before going out and buying a new one even though we had 2 other TVs. LOL
 
I have heard of this but am unclear on the details as they affect me.

If I have a digital cable box, will my old TVs still work?
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Is this why my TVs won't show the HD channels? Does this 2009 thing have anything to do with that?

I don't mind getting new TVs, in fact, I am really just waiting for an excuse, lol, but will run out and get new ones this year instead of next to beat the rush (and any shortages) as it gets closer to 2009...
 
To make it simplier:

If you receive TV signals via Rabbit Ears or a rooftop antennae, you may either need new TVs or a converter box to work with the existing TVs. Some newer model TV s are all set, and converter boxes will be available for older sets.

If you receive cable, and you plug the cable directly into the TV without using a converter box, you will likely need a converter box.

If you use a cable converter box, it may work fine. Some may need to swap out the converter box for a newer one, your cable company will handle this for you.

If you use a satellite TV service, you are all set.

Digital TV will provide much better picture quality. But the real reason this is being pushed is that digital TV uses less bandwidth. This will free up a lot of the airwaves for other purposes, including computer transmissions, emergency services etc. Analog television was a bandwidth hog and the airwave space used by analog TV could be much better used elsewhere.
 
We're in the process of buying the new TVs. We have satellite. The keeping room tv,my daughter's tv,and my sewing room tv all are ready for the change should we decide to return to cable. The cable company here changed from analog about 5-7 years ago. Our bedroom and guest room are the next and last to be changed until we add on another family room.
 
I gave in and got cable....I don't get why you would need a converter? I have a cord this plugs into my TV, there is no cable box, just basic cable.
This is relatively new news. There was a battle raging within the FCC over the past six months between the contingent that thought it was better to force the cable companies to continue providing analog signals to customers, such as you, for a significant period of time, versus those who felt it would be better in the long-run to push cable in the same direction as over-the-air broadcasts, i.e., from analog to digital. They even issued contradictory proposals. The proposal to foster analog long-term was defeated. And Friday night, the FCC granted a series of waivers rewarding cable companies that elected to pursue new technology, requiring them to abandon providing analog signals through their cable by December 31, 2009 in order to take advantage of the benefits of the waiver.
 
Um... wow. I didn't really understand any of that. My tv is probably close to 10 years old, but it works just fine now. I do have digital cable, and it works just fine with that, not sure if that makes any difference.
It does make a lot of difference. As long as you have that digital cable box sitting next to your television, these changes don't affect that television one-little-bit.
 
How about tv via satellite? I've been looking for an excuse to upgrade to a semi bigger tv after all.
 
I have no idea what all that was that I just read.
Gosh I hope this thread, then, can help clarify things for you. Please ask questions, because those of us who know what's going on really don't know what you need to know.

That's actually the context of some of the discussions I've been participating in on other websites: That the government, the broadcasters, the cable companies and the consumer electronics makers really are having a hard time trying to figure out how to get this information out to you folks -- how to present you with the information you need to be prepared for 2009, when the time comes.

I have a crazy german tv that is almost 10 years old. I use regular cable with no digital cable box. I guess this means I have an excuse for a new tv.
Or you can get a digital cable box, either rented from the cable company, or purchased in a store.

One thing else that might come as a big shock to people: Televisions are a lot more expensive than I remember them being. These digital tuners aren't cheap. You might see some affordable televisions still on the shelves at your local electronics stores or warehouse clubs, but if you look closely, you will probably see a government warning (mandated by a law in May) warning you that those more affordable units aren't going to receive over-the-air signals after February 2009. (The warning unfortunately doesn't mention this new cable issue -- it's still speculative, since it is an option for the cable companies, not a requirement.)
 
My TV is near 20 years old and works fine with digital cable. I have not heard any of this before, and if it's the case that cable alone won't work without a box then the cable companies better start charging less to have multiple boxes in a home.
That's really an interesting aspect to this. "Back in the day", you paid double for two outlets in your home. That fee was a thorn in the side for many people, until the 1980s when it started being put aside. Folks were wiring their own outlets; cable-ready televisions were all the rage; and so charging for each outlet became unenforceable.

This switch to all-digital could bring those fees back to the forefront, and we'll pay them to the extent we want cable on multiple televisions. (And yes, we'll complain about it! :)) This is because the trend is toward having only a minimum number of channels unencrypted. While having a QAM tuner on every television in your home will permit them all to connect to the cable system, the cable companies are moving towards having fewer and fewer channels unencrypted, so they can move towards a system where heavier users pay more. (Sounds reasonable, actually, eh, but frustrating for us heavier users!)

There will be quite an outcry of severely unhappy people if you'll have to pay an extra 10 to 15 dollars a month for every extra box added!
And the cable companies, now, based on Friday nights Order, can legitimately defend themselves by saying the government made them do it! :goodvibes
 
If I have a digital cable box, will my old TVs still work?
Yes, though of course, you will need one digital cable box per television.

Is this why my TVs won't show the HD channels? Does this 2009 thing have anything to do with that?
I'm really not sure what you're referring to there, but my instinct is "no" -- the fact you don't receive HD channels is probably not related to any of this. Perhaps your cable company charges an extra fee for HD, that you aren't paying?

I don't mind getting new TVs, in fact, I am really just waiting for an excuse, lol, but will run out and get new ones this year instead of next to beat the rush (and any shortages) as it gets closer to 2009...
I cannot imagine that the television manufacturers won't foresee the demand. I wouldn't run out to get a new television today based solely on this stuff.
 
I have basic cable, no box. I've known about the change for awhile, but the deadline has been pushed back consistently for several years. It appears that 2009 may be the final extension. Last year my TV went out, and I purchased a very inexpensive analog model, knowing I would probably have to replace it in the fairly near future, or get a converter box for cable. The problem with a converter box, is that it makes the actual TV remote useless for changing channels, and another remote is needed...so I will most likely by a new set. Hopefully, the digital broadcast channels will be available in our area, and we can then discontinue cable. Like most digital electronics, broadcast areas will be an "all or nothing" thing, from what I understand. You'll either get very clear channels, or no channel at all..no more "snowy, yet acceptable" fringe areas.
 
How about tv via satellite?
These regulations and incentives don't apply to satellite at all. As a matter of fact, satellite is explicitly exempt from some of the things driving these changes.
 
That's really an interesting aspect to this. "Back in the day", you paid double for two outlets in your home. That fee was a thorn in the side for many people, until the 1980s when it started being put aside. Folks were wiring their own outlets; cable-ready televisions were all the rage; and so charging for each outlet became unenforceable.

This switch to all-digital could bring those fees back to the forefront, and we'll pay them to the extent we want cable on multiple televisions. (And yes, we'll complain about it! :)) This is because the trend is toward having only a minimum number of channels unencrypted. While having a QAM tuner on every television in your home will permit them all to connect to the cable system, the cable companies are moving towards having fewer and fewer channels unencrypted, so they can move towards a system where heavier users pay more. (Sounds reasonable, actually, eh, but frustrating for us heavier users!)

And the cable companies, now, based on Friday nights Order, can legitimately defend themselves by saying the government made them do it! :goodvibes

Don't you think though, it may end up pushing more and more people to Satellite? Honestly I've been trying to avoid it for years now, but I'll tell you if I end up having to pay an extra 30 dollars a month for two more digital cable boxes I may end up switching myself. I don't know though, I'm not sure how it all works.

My hope would be that the prices would possibly go down since more people would be utilizing the option. But, I know that's probably pretty outlandish thinking since cable companies don't really have any competition in the first place (at least around here, it's Time Warner or Direct TV.) so it seems that my hope is really just a wish and a prayer.
 















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