Are you "preparing" for the Bird Flu?

RUDisney said:
We're taking the issue seriously, yet at the same time, we hope it will be another Y2K project where we spend a lot of time and money for nothing. If you've ever seen a documentary on the 1918 pandemic, you'd be more concerned, I think. The fact that people put their dead loved ones on their porch for the death wagon to pick up to be buried in a mass grave is just aweful. The fact that so many children were lost is heart-wrenching. Imagine going outside after the fears have subsided, as a child, only to find out that all of your neighborhood friends had died.

I'm one of the ones who posted that they are not concerned and I just want to comment on the above. I've done extensive reading on pandemics and how they have impacted society, including the 1918 Spanish flu, and I'm still chalking the panic up to hype.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't be concerned but that there is really no need to stockpile otc drugs and food at this time when in fact there are health issues going on right now in various areas that should be more concerning at this time because their effect is much more immediate than the avian flu.
 
wo...wo...wo...let me gets this straight

we are:
1. devastated by a hurricane
2. Iran wants to fry us to a crisp
3. Al-Qaeda wants to fry us to a crisp
4. fighting global war on terror
5. dealing with pollution and global warming

and now we have BIRD FLU???

EEEEEEEEEK!!!
*hugs to Pres. Bush*
 
lsyorke said:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/5663788p-5080102c.html

This has been blown out of proportion as per the CDC... see link. Bottom line... don't play with sick birds and wash your hands.
Thank ou for posting that link. One thing i found especially noteworthy and sort of amusing:
Gerberding cautioned that when H5N1 is detected in the United States, “there will be temptation for the press to make this into something it is not. We will need responsible journalism” to prevent irrational panic.
LOL, it is already being madeinto something it is not. Responsible journalism as been upgraded to 24 hour 'creative coverage mixed in with a few facts' . :lmao:
 

I do think it's being blown out of proportion too. However, I tend to get anxious about these things and feel better when I do a little preparation even if it's not going to realistically be needed. Besides, as I said before, we do a lot of this anyway when we prep. for the winter storm season, and we already need a lot of the equipment for camping. I'm actually being quite reserved for me. You should have seen me during y2k and 9/11 :rolleyes: .

As to the electricity, the theory is that if enough people are out of the workforce, the electrical grid won't be able to be maintained consistently.
 
No, I'm not. I think it is being blown way out of proportion.
 
If the CDC ever seems to take this seriously then so will I. Otherwise, I see no reason to really worry about it.
 
tw1nsmom said:
As to the electricity, the theory is that if enough people are out of the workforce, the electrical grid won't be able to be maintained consistently.
But, that is something we would all see coming with ample time to prepare... (ie, filling water jugs)

I dunno, I think stockpiling at this point, with the information we have, is paranoid.
 
Honeibee said:
Our company has been making plans since November. Suddenly we have a big push here to "get ready". We've been discussing it at home. I suppose we should. Are you doing anything to prepare? Stocking up on food and water? Thats what they are recommending we do.

I hate all this stuff. Is this the way the world is supposed to be? Bird Flu, AIDS, terrorist attacks, anthrax letters, Lyme disease, West Nile, cancers...... :sad2:


You left out one....hurricanes. J/k We are as prepared for hurricanes as we are for the avian flu pandemic.
We have enough gas, water, propane and food for both us and our dogs. My dh has duct tape (although I don't know what he plans on using it for) guns and bullets so I guess we are as prepared as we ever will need to be. Oh yes I do have 3 months of prescriptions stocked up.


I too hate all of this preparing for every eventuality.
 
Planogirl said:
If the CDC ever seems to take this seriously then so will I. Otherwise, I see no reason to really worry about it.


The CDC is taking it seriously and most hospitals are preparing to deal with the a pandemic flu, from ordering extra isolation equipment, gowns, gloves, and ventilators.
 
Just go to PandemicFlu.gov, the CDC is taking it very seriously. It was only after hearing this from CDC and WHO that I started to plan. So, are they also blowing it out of proportion?

This is from FoxNews:

The CDC also has put up a web site helping people to prepare for this possibility. It’s www.pandemicflu.gov.

Facing a Pandemic

Tom Skinner, a public affairs officer for the CDC, tells WebMD that the CDC believes individuals should have an emergency preparedness plan for all purposes, including the bird flu, should it come.

“Remember, the confusion after Hurricane Katrina?” Woodson asks. “Multiply that -- the emptied stores, stranded people, lack of transportation, services, and supplies -- times every state and probably every continent.”

You couldn’t ride it out for a few weeks -- the flu would probably come in waves, and even come back to an area, according to Woodson.

Both Woodson and the government are operating on the assumption that a vaccine, though in the works, probably will not be ready by the time the virus got cranking. Supplies might be scanty compared with need in a genuine pandemic.

The antiviral drugs, such as Tamiflu, may or may not work against bird flu, although the government is trying to assemble 20 million doses.

Skinner warns of social disruptions if the virus starts leaping from person to person.

On the CDC’s web site:

The government urges you to plan for the overcrowding or closing of hospitals, banks, stores, restaurants, and post offices. Schools may be closed for extended periods. Parents need to think about their children’s needs and possibly even childcare requirements if the parents are able to get to work.

Woodson doesn’t want to be a Chicken Little, but he does foresee a scenario in which utility companies would run out of coal and hospital generators out of diesel oil -- just because there was no one healthy enough to deliver these items. “Most doctors would want to stay open,” he says, “but in our office, without electricity, we would have to close the office.”

Hospitals may cease to be a refuge. According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Woodson says, there are 1 million hospital beds in this country, and 10,000 ventilators. Almost three-quarters of the beds are already full at any one time. “There is no possible way the hospital system could cope,” he says.

Yet in many cities and municipalities, forward-thinking planners are trying to prepare the health care system for the coming of the virus. Jeff Kalina, MD, leads the Texas Medical Center’s Pandemic Flu Task Force. He also spearheaded the center’s hurricane efforts for Katrina and Rita.

“We mirror the Centers for Disease Control and FEMA guidelines,” he says. “We are creating a plan and when we get it, we will drill it. If there is suddenly a ground zero and Person A gives it to Person B and Person C, we will spread the word about flu hygiene [hand washing and so on]. We also will be planning to create wards [of hospital beds]. We will turn the lights on; get triage going.” Probably, says Kalina, people will be sent to places other than hospitals, where vulnerable people would be more susceptible to the bug.

Skinner adds that the CDC is developing software called FluSurge for hospitals to use in their planning and detection of viral spread.

Home Care May Be Crucial

Woodson advises his patients to prepare to stay home unless they are really severely ill. In other words, we are back to pioneer days.

Extrapolating from past viruses, Woodson says statistics suggest, although this is not a sure thing, that some people will not contract bird flu, should it go transmissible. No one knows exactly why, but they could be immune. According to these calculations, some will get it and will be very ill and contagious. Others may get a light case or no case, but will show antibodies, meaning it got into their system and they have formed antibodies against the virus.

The well people will take care of the sick. And a lot of this care will probably be done at home.

“This is flu,” Woodson says. “You can do a lot of care for people using low-tech means.”

On its web site, the CDC lists supplies to have on hand, including over-the-counter painkillers, such as acetaminophen (Tylenol) and ibuprofen (Advil or Motrin) for headaches and muscle pain, and antidiarrheal medicine. Plenty of cleansing agents, such as hand cleaners and detergent, also are listed.

The CDC recommends stocking nonperishables such as:

--Canned foods

--Protein or fruit bars

--Dry cereal

--Dried fruit

--Bottled water

--Baby food

--Pet food

Also on the CDC list: flashlights, batteries, portable radio, manual can opener, garbage bags, diapers, and toilet paper.

Skinner recommends having a supply of your prescription drugs as well.

To these Woodson would add crackers, Gatorade, and other foods good for sickness.

“I think stockpiling is a grand idea,” says planner Kalina. Skinner says he has large stocks of canned food and bottled water at home.

Woodson also says some people might also want to consider:

--An alternative power source

--Organizing your neighborhood. If everyone in a house is sick, Woodson says, would the neighbors help out -- or could you help them? He also has bought some medical supplies not only for his family, but his neighbors


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If you go to PandemicFlu.gov - under planning and response: Individuals and Families you will find lists and further info .....
 
pansmermaidzlagoon said:
Nancy:

I don't know, I guess I just figure that at that point EVERYBODY will be doing the same thing - then in more of a panic and possibly with things running low. I guess I am thinking the less I have to worry about picking up then - the better.

Everything I have read says this is good preparation for any disaster - even just a personal finacial one - so you could float awhile without major grocery bills, etc.

PLUS, I am forgetful!!! It is nice now to be replacing my backup at grocery time instead of replacing the one I just ran out of!!!! :thumbsup2

:sunny: :wizard:

I work in a grocery store so trust me, I'll be the first one there when the truck pulls in! LOL! I don't panic buy, not when they predict blizzards or Y2K or 9/11. I always have some extra food in the house, I buy bottled water so there is usually some gallons laying around. I wouldn't want to stock up now and have stuff sitting around for years.

That said, I am actually more worried about a terror attack possibly happening at the power plant 15-20 minutes from my house than I am from this flu thing.
 
Flu Terms Defined
Seasonal (or common) flu is a respiratory illness that can be transmitted person to person. Most people have some immunity, and a vaccine is available.

Avian (or bird) flu is caused by influenza viruses that occur naturally among wild birds. The H5N1 variant is deadly to domestic fowl and can be transmitted from birds to humans. There is no human immunity and no vaccine is available.

Pandemic flu is virulent human flu that causes a global outbreak, or pandemic, of serious illness. Because there is little natural immunity, the disease can spread easily from person to person. Currently, there is no pandemic flu.

The above was taken from the same site that pansmermaidzlagoon quoted from.

And I think the line below says it all, note the parts in red


Tom Skinner, a public affairs officer for the CDC, tells WebMD that the CDC believes [B]individuals should have an emergency preparedness plan for all purposes, including the bird flu, should it come.[/B]
 
DawnCt1 said:
The CDC is taking it seriously and most hospitals are preparing to deal with the a pandemic flu, from ordering extra isolation equipment, gowns, gloves, and ventilators.
Where is this information from? I work in a hospital and none of that is being done.
 
lsyorke said:
Where is this information from? I work in a hospital and none of that is being done.

Our local hospitals are preparing for the avian flu and another hurricane season.
 
Just go to PandemicFlu.gov, the CDC is taking it very seriously. It was only after hearing this from CDC and WHO that I started to plan. So, are they also blowing it out of proportion?
Did anyone bother to read the article listed on the former page?

Underlined emphasis mine:
Bird flu threat not so grave, CDC chief says

M. ALEXANDER OTTO; The News Tribune
Published: April 15th, 2006 01:00 AM
Federal health officials at a meeting Friday in Tacoma downplayed the risk bird flu poses to humans, contrasting earlier warnings from the federal government.

“There is no evidence it will be the next pandemic,” Dr. Julie Gerberding, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, said of avian flu. There is “no evidence it is evolving in a direction that is becoming more transmissible to people.”

Gerberding spoke at the Greater Tacoma Convention & Trade Center at a pandemic flu conference that drew 1,200 people from across the state, mostly health department officials and others involved in emergency planning.

Other officials from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the U.S. Department of Agriculture and elsewhere joined her. Gov. Chris Gregoire and several upper-level state officials also spoke.

Gerberding’s comments on bird flu contrast earlier statements from the federal government that tended to emphasize worse-case scenarios.

In a November letter to the public, for instance, President Bush encouraged preparing “ourselves, our nation, and our world to fight this potentially devastating outbreak of infectious disease.”

The concern is that the H5N1 strain of bird flu virus will mutate into a form passed easily between people.

visit to encourage state planning

Audience questions Friday about buying surgical masks and stockpiling food showed the concern Bush’s comments and others have raised.

But Gerberding noted that, though the disease has killed “gazillions of birds,” it has killed about 100 people out of about 200 sickened worldwide. The victims were in intense, daily contact with sick flocks, often sharing the same living space. Two people have become infected from person-to-person contact.

She did not say what had changed the thinking of health care officials about bird flu, but said that, at this point, there is “no reason to think it ever will” pass easily between people.

Given those facts, bird flu, like SARS, swine flu and other once widely publicized health threats, might never become a significant human illness.

The visit by Gerberding and the other federal officials was part of a 50-state tour to encourage state and local planning for pandemics, terrorism and other health emergencies.

Such preparedness would be especially important, since local officials would be the first to learn of problems, and a full federal response couldn’t be expected for a few days.

It was announced at the meeting that Washington state has been granted $2 million in federal money to help with planning.

Several officials said state and local planning in Washington already is among the best in the nation.

“We have an effective state strategy,” Gregoire said, noting the need for constant fine-tuning and updating. “Today we talk about pandemic flu. In 10 years it will be something else” – the important thing is to be ready for whatever comes.

easy precautions to take

Even if bird flu never causes significant problems for people, Gerberding said, the focus on it encourages emergency planning “that will save lives whether there is a pandemic or not.”

She and other federal officials said H5N1 bird flu likely will reach the United States, because bird flu and its many strains occur naturally in migratory birds.

When that happens, “it does not signal the start of a pandemic” or a threat to the food supply, said Richard Raymond, an undersecretary at the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Cooking meat to 160 degrees will destroy the virus, he said – in addition to destroying salmonella, “which sickens more people than H5N1 ever will even if there is a pandemic.”

Gerberding cautioned that when H5N1 is detected in the United States, “there will be temptation for the press to make this into something it is not. We will need responsible journalism” to prevent irrational panic.
 
PAW, there you go being the voice of reason again. I was looking forward to trampling old ladies for water and pork n' beans!
 
I feel better if I am prepared.
Will this pandemic strike & strike hard? Don't have the slightest idea. I do remember my Grandmother's stories re: the 1918 flu epidemic & I have read journals from that period, very scary.
Do I think the press will scare the bejeebers out of us? Yep!
Do I believe the government is prepared? Yes, I believe they will be there to levy taxes even if the whole darn economic structure falls apart :rolleyes1

I need some specifics:
1) what type of face masks to buy, brand name please
I have read some opinions that air packs would be the only thing that would be sufficient, is that correct?
2) will Softsoap antibacterial handsoap work or should I be searching out some sort of medical hand soap? brand names please
3) DS17 has asthma & takes daily meds for epilepsy, getting a good supply of these scares the whoop outta me. Is it just too dumb for me just to ask the pharmacist to dispense me a 6 months supply, I don't care if I pay for these out of pocket, I just want to have them
4) latex gloves?

What exactly would be the care I would give to those at home & ill?
lukewarm sponge baths to reduce fever? will there be diarrhea, therefore give Gatorade & Immodium AD? Please, someone kindly illuminate.

I understand preparing, but other than stocking food & water I need details for care & prevention

Our well--& this means water for the toilet, too-- runs via electricity, our oil furnace has an electric ignition--but we do have a fireplace & will be getting about 15 more cords of wood. How much fuel would be needed for a generator for what period of time? Hey, it looks like it might be time to get reaquainted with the privy! :teeth:

Once I have the above taken care of I can throw up my hands & give it to God. What will be will be, I think I have reached my max on the worry list! :rolleyes: all I want to fret about is which room we get at BWV this November!

cactus said:
wo...wo...wo...let me gets this straight
we are:
1. devastated by a hurricane
2. Iran wants to fry us to a crisp
3. Al-Qaeda wants to fry us to a crisp
4. fighting global war on terror
5. dealing with pollution and global warming
and now we have BIRD FLU???
EEEEEEEEEK!!!
Yep, we're worried out & the above does not include: overdue earthquakes, cancers, oil crisis, crooked politicians, corrupt corporations, the rise of China, is Putin really a Communist hardliner, healthcare crisis, is the Earth's magnetic field about to reverse? family's health & welfare... :scared1:

Taking 2 tranquilizers, :cloud9:
Jean
 
MosMom said:
PAW, there you go being the voice of reason again. I was looking forward to trampling old ladies for water and pork n' beans!
Take heart ...you will have your opportunity when the first human case hits the US (which is inevitable because birds migrate)...the rabid 24 hour news vampires WILL undoubtedly stir up the story into a doomsday scenario...
 


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