Are you a creationist?

[Nomi]

Uh, can't say for sure. I was just trying to make a point

Ah, gottcha.

 

[perla75]

To me, the idea of God using evolution is discredited in the Bible. The Bible states that God created each living thing according to its own kind. Just a thought: If God is mighty enough to create the world through evolution then why isn't he mighty enough to create the world through creation.

I guess it is obvious that I am a creationist. I reject the idea of evolution. The idea of evolution attempts to satisfy human reasoning, but it offers no real evidence. I believe it is popular because it is a means to explain the existence of life without God. Very little evidence exists for the idea of evolution yet people believe in the idea in spite of the evidence.

Evolution is a theory that meets the preconceived notions of people. It is no more a true science than any other theory or idea.

I do highly respect your beliefs & I am definately not trying to criticize you so please don't take this the wrong way, but I am just a little confused about your argument on "evidence." There are VERY large amounts of evidence of evolution widely accepted amongst several domains of science (genetics, anthropology, etc...).

In order for something to be considered a science, it must be observable and/or measurable.

What kinds of evidence are you referring to with regard to creationism? Besides the bible, I mean?

 

[Seewhatimesdone]

I think this is going to get out of hand fast

 

[Kath2003]

Yeah, I agree. I'm off to bed. Creationism vs modern science makes me cry.

 

[Magic Mom]

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Also, how the heck did evolution, at the time it was discovered, meet the preconceived notions of people? At the time, most people were incredibly religious. What happens in science is MANY scientists look at the evidence given THEN construct the theory or model BASED ON THE EVIDENCE. It's things like 'intelligent' design that have the notion come first (god did it) then try and fit the evidence into that.

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I read an interesting article not too long ago about that. IIRC, the article suggested that evolution became popular at the time, because the society was very racially imperialist. Whites as superior to people of color in India, Africa etc. Darwinism-survival of the fittest- fit that imperailist mindset and validated their feelings of superiority/ white dominance.

 

[perla75]

I think this is going to get out of hand fast

I disagree-I think most everyone has been very respectful & educating so far. Thank you everyone!

 

[Seewhatimesdone]

I disagree-I think most everyone has been very respectful & educating so far. Thank you everyone!

I hope it stays that way, I really do but from my experience any discussion involving race, religion, sexual orientation, politics, etc. ends up getting nasty. Some one has to come in and ruin it for everyone. But, things are going well so far. This is interesting.

My biology teacher (at a southern Christian school, interestingly enough) had to teach actual science, which included evolution. But he taught it with the idea that there was something bigger that started it all. I thought it was an interesting approach.

 

[Alaska DogCat]

I would never try to limit my God by claiming to comprehend how the gift of life and awareness came into existence. As a person of science, I believe that evolution describes much of the mechanics of our existence, but I do not think it is the end-all of adequately explaining our place or reason in the universe.

I do not believe in creationism as in God created the world at some point in a neat and orderly fashion, in a finite time frame and that God is done with the process of creating.

There are mysteries beyond anything we will ever comprehend and how we came into existence is one of them for me.

 

[Nomi]

I read an interesting article not too long ago about that. IIRC, the article suggested that evolution became popular at the time, because the society was very racially imperialist. Whites as superior to people of color in India, Africa etc. Darwinism-survival of the fittest- fit that imperailist mindset and validated their feelings of superiority/ white dominance.

Interesting, I haven't heard that. Do you know where I can locate this article? (even though it is irrelevant as that belief has no basis in the theory of evolution, but it is interesting). As far as I know, evolution was very unpopular.

 

[Iluvfrenchquarter]

I voted NO, but actually don't see a conflict between the 2. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a "day" is 24 hours. Does anyone really believe that some of the folks in the Old Testament actually lived 800-some years?

As a linguist, I believe that there are many discrepancies in the multiple translations of the original texts.

So who's to say that a "day" in Genesis wasn't really 2000 years, or whatever?

But then I'm one who doesn't see a problem with the theory that Jesus was married either.

 

[Magic Mom]

Interesting, I haven't heard that. Do you know where I can locate this article? (even though it is irrelevant as that belief has no basis in the theory of evolution, but it is interesting). As far as I know, evolution was very unpopular.

I'm sorry I don't remember. It was online through my university's online research center. I know it was a scholarly journal, not a popular magazine, as that was a requirement.

 

[Liberty Belle]

Thank you for all of your input. I'm just trying to understand this belief. I completely understand those who believe that God created humans, I was just confused on how people could not believe that dinosaurs existed and I wondered why that thought this. I'm starting to understand what creationism is now & the dinosaurs part seems like the extreme side of the belief-is this correct?

I believe in both creationism and evolution. I do not take the bible literally, however.

 

[Nomi]

I'm sorry I don't remember. It was online through my university's online research center. I know it was a scholarly journal, not a popular magazine, as that was a requirement.

Aww, thats to bad. Oh well. I know some people around that time used religion as an excuse for racism as well though.

 

[Seewhatimesdone]

Aww, thats to bad. Oh well. I know some people around that time used religion as an excuse for racism as well though.

Uh yeah, A LOT of people. And they still do today unbelievably

 

[alizesmom]

Creationist here. I have no idea about time involved, dinosaurs and prefer to see what is called evolution as a form of adaptation. I don't think there is any proof of one species turning into something different. I choose to have faith in the Bible which I believe is God-directed. Others of you prefer to believe in science which is your right. I hope this thread continues in a polite fashion with a peaceful exchange of opinions.

 

[perla75]

Creationist here. I have no idea about time involved, dinosaurs and prefer to see what is called evolution as a form of adaptation. I don't think there is any proof of one species turning into something different. I choose to have faith in the Bible which I believe is God-directed. Others of you prefer to believe in science which is your right. I hope this thread continues in a polite fashion with a peaceful exchange of opinions.

So, just to clarify, you believe evolution existed as a result of God initially "creating"? I'm just trying to get a feel for everyone's different types of views.

 

[JoyG]

Does anyone really believe that some of the folks in the Old Testament actually lived 800-some years?

I do. Christians believe Jesus was raised from the dead and walked on water. So God allowing someone to live 800 years is not that big of a leap in light of other biblical miracles.

 

[chisnpeke]

I apologize if I'm getting more into debate mode than the OP meant for this thread, but I'm afraid you are mistaken. The his a heck of a lot of evidence for evolution. But lets start with your misunderstanding of what a scientific theory is and how the scientific theory of evolution came about.

A scientific theory is NOT like a laymans theory (a hypothesis, conjecture or guess). A scientific theory is a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. It NEEDS empirical evidence, of which there is a lot.

Also, how the heck did evolution, at the time it was discovered, meet the preconceived notions of people? At the time, most people were incredibly religious. What happens in science is MANY scientists look at the evidence given THEN construct the theory or model BASED ON THE EVIDENCE. It's things like 'intelligent' design that have the notion come first (god did it) then try and fit the evidence into that.

As for evidence:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-research.html (a very good site, well worth a read, cites scientific sources).
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html
The evidence is in genetics, embryology, the fossil record, and best of all, Observed instances of evolution:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

Now, evidence for creationism please?

I think for some people who believe in creationism, there doesn't need to be evidence. They just believe.

 

[Seewhatimesdone]

I think for some people who believe in creationism, there doesn't need to be evidence. They just believe.

This could actually be used against them...

 

[Nomi]

This could actually be used against them...

Thats my thoughts on the matter. I'm not a big fan of viewing blind faith as a virtue, but thats a debate for another day.