Are they kidding???

[DisMN]

I hope I have it in me to be compassionate enough to look past the horrors this man committed and allow him out of prison to die. I admire people who find it in themselves to forgive someone who murdered a family member.......

 

[orlandothebeagle]

I wasn't aware you had someone on the plane that was blown up in 1988. I'm sorry to hear that.

I said I could NOT comment, read the post.

 

[Sanchez]

You go ahead and be embarassed. I'm of Scottish descent and applaud the compassion they showed even in the face of someone who showed no compassion.

Isn't this what Jesus taught, after all?

Individuals can forgive. Governments should operate under the rule of law. You seem to be confusing the two. Release from prison does equal forgiveness. I suspect you are trying to stir things up. Why else would you assume that the posters on this thread believe in Jesus?

 

[Carly_Roach]

Individuals can forgive. Governments should operate under the rule of law. You seem to be confusing the two. Release from prison does equal forgiveness. I suspect you are trying to stir things up. Why else would you assume that the posters on this thread believe in Jesus?

And you are making your own assumptions by accusing me of trying to stir things up. This should go without saying but I'm going to say it anyway: I'm not in any way, shape or form trying to "stir things up".

I have a differing opinion from the OP on what the Scottish Government did today. I am of the group who heartily applauds the Scottish Government's behavior. I explained my reasons for why I feel the way I do. I even apologized to someone who implied that she had relatives "slaughtered" by the man who was allowed to go home to die.

If you have a problem with my stance on this situation, then all I can say is that the problem is yours; not mine.

 

[DVC Sadie]

Well he isn't flying home commercial. he's being picked up by Kadahfi's (sp?) private plane. Word on the street is that Britain is trying to make inroads with Libya for oil and this is a political pandering move.

I read the same thing and if Britain is successful in getting oil for the terrorist tnen you know the US oil companies will be next in line to lobby for US trades.

 

[laurie31]

I wasn't aware you had someone on the plane that was blown up in 1988. I'm sorry to hear that.

My sentiment about forgiveness remains, however. It's a lesson Jesus taught that people who say they are followers can't seem to grasp.

I do believe in forgiveness. I hope the families of the victims have been able to forgive this man, just for their own sakes, but being forgiven doesn't mean he shouldn't still have to face the consequences of his actions, nor should he be free to repeat his crime.

On a MUCH smaller scale, I have recently forgiven someone who did something illegal and caused me pain, plus $558 in damages. It was hard to forgive them, but I feel so much better having done so. I truly wish her no ill will, but I am still pressing criminal charges, as she refuses to pay the $558. I am not angry with her, but I will be getting my $558. Plus she has no remorse, and society needs to be protected, as I am actually the third victim. She bullied the first two into not pressing charges. Forgiveness doesn't mean you are absolved of the consequences. Even God doesn't remove the consequences of your sin, even though He forgives if you ask.

(and I fear this thread is wading pretty deep into forbidden waters so I'll shut up now...)

 

[Sanchez]

And you are making your own assumptions by accusing me of trying to stir things up. This should go without saying but I'm going to say it anyway: I'm not in any way, shape or form trying to "stir things up".

I have a differing opinion from the OP on what the Scottish Government did today. I am of the group who heartily applauds the Scottish Government's behavior. I explained my reasons for why I feel the way I do. I even apologized to someone who implied that she had relatives "slaughtered" by the man who was allowed to go home to die.

If you have a problem with my stance on this situation, then all I can say is that the problem is yours; not mine.

The problem with your stance is not that you agree with the end result (by all means you are entitled to an opinion,) but that it is illogical.

And yes, I do believe that putting Jesus in the equation is an attempt to stir things up.

 

[Missy1961]

I agree, it's terrible. I'm generally a pretty compassionate person, but what he did merits no compassion EVER.

I had come back from my semester abroad right before this happened, and it really affected me. I remember seeing on the news where they collected the belongings of the passengers from the wreckage and there had been a group of college kids on their way home from their semester abroad on the plane. There were stacks of sweatshirts and souvenirs/gifts. I thought how horrible it would be for my parents, to be so anxious for me to return and then have that happen. I thought of how much fun those students must have had, choosing Christmas gifts for their families, who never got to receive them. Let the guy die in prison. Even that is too good for him.

Well said (as was your second post in this thread). I agree with you.

 

[Kickapoo Joie Juice]

Mohandas K. Gandhi:
The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

I forgive him. I also think he needs to stay in jail forever so he doesn't hurt anyone else.

I'm of Scottish descent and applaud the compassion they showed even in the face of someone who showed no compassion.

Isn't this what Jesus taught, after all?

Again, compassion and forgiveness are universal human blessings. He can be forgiven while he's in prison.

I wasn't aware you had someone on the plane that was blown up in 1988. I'm sorry to hear that.

My sentiment about forgiveness remains, however. It's a lesson Jesus taught that people who say they are followers can't seem to grasp.

We all feel pain for those who lost family on that plane. I'm sure everyone has a difficult time with it, regardless of whether they lost family members or not.

And you are making your own assumptions by accusing me of trying to stir things up. This should go without saying but I'm going to say it anyway: I'm not in any way, shape or form trying to "stir things up".

I have a differing opinion from the OP on what the Scottish Government did today. I am of the group who heartily applauds the Scottish Government's behavior. I explained my reasons for why I feel the way I do. I even apologized to someone who implied that she had relatives "slaughtered" by the man who was allowed to go home to die.

If you have a problem with my stance on this situation, then all I can say is that the problem is yours; not mine.

I think you mentioned something about forgiveness in your earlier posts. Might want to recheck that.

 

[Carly_Roach]

on a MUCH smaller scale, I have recently forgiven someone who and caused me pain,....

Exactly. Someone caused you pain, you forgave them. You found out how good that feels when you do that.

The mad bomber of Scotland, however, commited an act over 20 years ago that didn't impact the vast majority of the posters on this board nor the vast majority of people in America. Yet I'm seeing all sorts of anger, hatred, righteous indignation and desire to commit vehement atrocities on this total stranger who, before today, most people couldn't pick out of a crowd even if they wanted to.

Our friend in Scotland has the ability to do the most: she can write her representatives and let them know how she feels. Her behavior will have an impact; her representative won't get her vote. The rest of us can do nothing that will have any kind of an impact except on ourselves and those around us.

Getting mad won't bring that mad bomber back to prison. It only adds to the upcoming heart disease of the emotive person (and those who choose to stay around him or her).

 

[sbell111]

I forgive him. I also think he needs to stay in jail forever so he doesn't hurt anyone else.

What's he going to do, blow up his Libyan hospital room?

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Again, compassion and forgiveness are universal human blessings. He can be forgiven while he's in prison.

Exactly, he still must pay the price for his actions.

 

[sbell111]

Exactly, he still must pay the price for his actions.

I'm sure he will.

 

[LUCiD]

I forgive him as well, doesn't mean I like him though. He still should've faced the consequences of his actions instead of getting away free, though.

 

[DWGal210]

I understand that people are talking about forgiveness, but I feel that forgiveness for this person and justice being served because of his actions are 2 different things. For example, do I feel that he shouldn't be getting meds for his cancer and allowed to suffer? No. Do I feel that he should be treated humanly in prison and given the care he needs to manage his pain? Absolutely yes. But believing that does not mean that I also think he should be home among his family and friends as he lives out his last days. 8 years in prison for killing over 200 people is mind-boggling.

It's hard for me personally to say I would forgive him, as I blessedly didn't have any family or friends die at his hands that day. I think forgiveness is left up to those people who lost someone.

But I do think it stinks royally that the private plane of Moammar Gadhafi was the one to pick him up at the jail. That made my blood boil.

 

[Kickapoo Joie Juice]

The mad bomber of Scotland, however, commited an act over 20 years ago that didn't impact the vast majority of the posters on this board nor the vast majority of people in America.

Yeah, that's just incorrect and fundamentally wrong on so many levels.

It is not up to you to decide who was impacted by that violent act and to what degree.

Forgiveness is personal and private, not institutionalized or codified.

 

[#1MMFan]

I think it's unfortunate in some ways that there seems to be this clause in our law that obviously can be applied regardless of the actual crime committed. I had not heard of it until now, presumably because this is the only high profile case that has ever used it. I don't know whether the guy is guilty or not; he was convicted, but obviously he did not act alone. We should be just as mad that there are others out there that will never be brought to justice in either of our courts of law. Megrahi was not going to suddenly confess lots of info just prior to his death, and to be honest keeping him here would have resulted in him actually going into hospital to have palliative/terminal care and I don't feel like paying taxpayer's money towards his care thanks very much. There are still lots of theories which I've heard about our governments getting so-called important people off the flight list prior to that fateful flight. We shall never know, but I reckon there is a lot more to the bombing than meets the eye.

 

[Kickapoo Joie Juice]

What's he going to do, blow up his Libyan hospital room?

He came home to a hero's welcome, and is now influencing directly thousands of impressionable young men who will now emulate his actions.

 

[DWGal210]

Yeah, that's just incorrect and fundamentally wrong on so many levels.

It is not up to you to decide who was impacted by that violent act and to what degree.

Forgiveness is personal and private, not institutionalized or codified.

I was just going to post something about this, Kickapoo.

Actually, it DID affect Americans. If I rememer the figures, about 150 of the 270 people that died were Americans, including college and high school kids coming home from study abroad trips.

 

[DWGal210]

Can you tell this fires me up? I need to put all these thoughts on one post.

For me, it really doesn't matter the nationalities of the people he killed. It was a human tragedy.