Are the Days of Walking a DVC Reservation Numbered?

[tx911]

I don't think most of the public is wrong. I simply have not seen proof that they are correct in their perceptions.

perception this, proof that, it's not expressly prohibited, etc, etc etc.

Surely you recognize that it is an advantage gained at the expense of others?

Is that not enough reason not to do it? Apparently not, for many.

 

[gsdweller]

I think walking a few days to make things line up right is fine. No big deal. There should be a limit though. Anyone that walks a reservation more than a week just to get an advantage is just a scumbag.

 

[jcolvin5]

That's the problem. Walking is technically within the current rules, but it's unfair to those owners who haven't learned the secret squirrel handshake.

It is my hope that you will soon get the explicit restriction you requested for walking from DVC.

There's that "unfair" again.

Planning is what i do for a living. Research is what i do for a living. Is it unfair for non-planners because they haven't done their research or given their goal (whatever it is) the amount of time and dedication needed to accomplish it? Is that unfair?

Is it unfair that some people are capable of watching the world clock as it strikes 7am to make a reservation? Because I am not sure the majority of people think that one must be that precise when making a simple reservation. Disney forces that type of precise planning.

 

[jcolvin5]

Surely you recognize that it is an advantage gained at the expense of others?

No, I do not recognize that it is an advantage gained at the expense of others.

Yes, I do recognize that it is an advantage gained.

 

[BayTower2010]

If Disney really wanted to stop walking it is simple. Allow one change in a reservation and after that charge $50 per change. Try walking for 2 or three months and that would add up to a heck of a lot of $. Of course there would still be walking, but only for a few days until the second change with the charge.

 

[BeachClub2014]

Planning is what i do for a living. Research is what i do for a living. Is it unfair for non-planners because they haven't done their research or given their goal (whatever it is) the amount of time and dedication needed to accomplish it? Is that unfair

Your mental gymnastics in attacking the concept of fairness are admirable. However, to suggest that any DVC owner who isn't privy to the practice of reservation walking is a non-planner is just flat-out wrong.

Your "if they're too dumb or lazy to learn how to game the system" argument is pretty offensive.

 

[jcolvin5]

Your mental gymnastics in attacking the concept of fairness are admirable. However, to suggest that any DVC owner who isn't privy to the practice of reservation walking is a non-planner is just flat-out wrong.

Your "if they're too dumb or lazy to learn how to game the system" argument is pretty offensive.

I certainly never used the words "dumb" or "lazy" to describe anyone.

But I have seen "unfair", "wrong", "cheating" and now "scumbag" to describe those that walk. Should I be offended? Perhaps, but I don't get offended easily. I'm simply stating my opinions.

 

[tx911]

No, I do not recognize that it is an advantage gained at the expense of others.

Yes, I do recognize that it is an advantage gained.

How does one gain an advantage without someone else being disadvantaged?

 

[gsdweller]

There's that "unfair" again.

Planning is what i do for a living. Research is what i do for a living. Is it unfair for non-planners because they haven't done their research or given their goal (whatever it is) the amount of time and dedication needed to accomplish it? Is that unfair?

A lot of things in the world rely on people being decent to each other. There will always be greedy, self-serving, self-indulgent people that like to make themselves feel clever and superior by taking advantage of the subtle loopholes in life.

 

[gsdweller]

I certainly never used the words "dumb" or "lazy" to describe anyone.

But I have seen "unfair", "wrong", "cheating" and now "scumbag" to describe those that walk. Should I be offended? Perhaps, but I don't get offended easily. I'm simply stating my opinions.

I never said anything was unfair, or cheating, or wrong. You can be a scumbag and never break any rules or do anything wrong. Just look at politics.

 

[jcolvin5]

A lot of things in the world rely on people being decent to each other. There will always be greedy, self-serving, self-indulgent people that like to make themselves feel clever and superior by taking advantage of the subtle loopholes in life.

Completely agree.

 

[Spivey378]

I'm currently walking a Saratoga Springs 1 bedroom for the sole purpose that I feel bad this type of room never gets walked.

 

[gsdweller]

A lot of things in the world rely on people being decent to each other. There will always be greedy, self-serving, self-indulgent people that like to make themselves feel clever and superior by taking advantage of the subtle loopholes in life.

Completely agree.

Society in general typically describes these people as one of several different versions of 'scumbag'.

 

[jcolvin5]

Society in general typically describes these people as one of several different versions of 'scumbag'.

And here I thought we were just trying to work with the facts.

 

[gsdweller]

Society in general typically describes these people as one of several different versions of 'scumbag'.

And here I thought we were just trying to work with the facts.

That is a fact.

 

[BeachClub2014]

I certainly never used the words "dumb" or "lazy" to describe anyone.

But I have seen "unfair", "wrong", "cheating" and now "scumbag" to describe those that walk. Should I be offended? Perhaps, but I don't get offended easily. I'm simply stating my opinions.

You are correct. You did use these words, though: "Is it unfair for non-planners because they haven't done their research or given their goal (whatever it is) the amount of time and dedication needed to accomplish it?" which makes the same point without using the exact words.

I have another word for you to ponder: pedantic.

 

[Lorana]

Although something happened in the last 5 or so years that made AKV values go from hard to pretty much impossible. They (DVC) also have control over how they spread the points. If the values are always gone immediately, those should be more points and others less. Same with some of the other really hard to get rooms.

That is a direct affect of commercial sellers. AKV Value rooms are a money maker for them, as many people who rent points are looking for a good bargain, and AKV Value rooms are a good bargain. There's one seller who often has 1 day at a time on their site for rent. Commercial sellers use bots to snag rooms right at the 8am mark. This is why the real problem DVC needs to address are commercial renters (while not impacting owners ability to rent out unused points). It is in the last 5 years that commercial sellers have really picked up because of the post-covid demand for Disney travel.

 

[jcolvin5]

Back to my initial thoughts on walking.

If Disney really wants to fix walking, I believe (my opinion) they need to do a root cause analysis of what they believe is the actual problem. Possibly commercial renters, at least in part. Yes, that means being concerned with even minor details that affect the process. Name calling probably won't solve their problem.

 

[gsdweller]

Back to my initial thoughts on walking.

If Disney really wants to fix walking, I believe (my opinion) they need to do a root cause analysis of what they believe is the actual problem. Possibly commercial renters, at least in part. Yes, that means being concerned with even minor details that affect the process. Name calling probably won't solve their problem.

Name calling won't fix any of Disney's problems. But it might make you do some self-evaluation and perhaps help you realize that your own self-interest and how you prioritize it may be affecting the rest of your life, and the views other people have of you.

 

[Genie+]

Spec reservations aka confirmed reservations became normalized in the post-covid era.

Up until then most reservations were customers seeking out owners and asking if dates were open, THEN dates would get booked and a deal made.

The glut of excess points from cancelled/postponed trips and revenge/peak demand travel coincided. That caused the brokers to start offering new advice… secure a reservation first because inventory was so tight. That strategy gained popularity as renters and rentees got more familiar with how it worked and the potential advantages. The boom of spec res was born.