Are manners becoming extinct?

[Pea-n-Me]

I hold the door for everyone, too. I well remember the days when I had twins in a long stroller and some people would let the door slam right on us and others would go out of their way to hold it for us with a smile. Paying it forward. If I have to run for someone holding the door for me I figure it’s good for me to get a little quick movement in, lol. I would never be aggravated with that. The goodness outweighs the miniscule inconvenience for me.

I was thinking of this thread when the other night I was on a crowded Disney bus. No sooner did I walk on the bus that a young man of about 16 jumped up and offered me and DH his seat. We declined but thanked him and told him and his mother he was a very thoughtful and polite young man. At the same time, two 20-something young women didn’t hesitate to move over so my twenty-something DD could sit down. We all thanked them.

I don’t think manners are completely gone.

I am tired of generation-bashing. I believe it really just boils down to individuals and their make up, life experiences and upbringing.

 

[DCLMP]

You missed my point. The teen birth rate has been declining, which means teens in the past always had sex. I would wager just as much, if not less than today. I know when I was a teen I had very little time to date thanks to school work and after school activities and my job, and that was in the 1990s. Today it's even more competitive for teens.

People used to get married right out of high school.

 

[anniemae]

You missed my point. The teen birth rate has been declining, which means teens in the past always had sex. I would wager just as much, if not less than today. I know when I was a teen I had very little time to date thanks to school work and after school activities and my job, and that was in the 1990s. Today it's even more competitive for teens.

Im not saying teens are having more sex today than in the past, Im saying social media normalizes things like sex so it is not whispered about anymore. It's openly discussed and joked about on social media, and in turn, birth control is also more normalized and easy to access.

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

Im not saying teens are having more sex today than in the past, Im saying social media normalizes things like sex so it is not whispered about anymore. It's openly discussed and joked about on social media, and in turn, birth control is also more normalized and easy to access.

Are you saying any of this is a bad thing? I’d argue that open discussions on subjects like this only results in people making better informed decisions. As you have already agreed, the data supports that.

Social norms are constantly evolving. Plenty of parents thought their kid’s attitudes about sex were a problem in the 60s/70s too.

 

[disneydreamer1980]

Over the past two weeks at WDW we’ve seen lots of bad manners. Someone literally ran down my youngest DS with a stroller (he actually fell to the ground and skinned his hand) and said nothing. No sorry or anything. On living with the land the people in the row behind us on the boat were arguing loudly, cursing and yelling at each other for everyone to hear. The people in the villa above us sound like they’re running a circus all night long. Someone walking in front of us in Epcot was emptying out a cup as they walked, swinging it and got soda on my daughter. She loudly said “omg I’ve got soda all over me” and the people turned around and looked at her but said nothing. Seems like people are getting more inconsiderate by the day. All the CMs we’ve encountered have been great, but the other guests not so much. Don’t want to sound whiny, because it’s been a great trip, but those little things bug me.

 

[nancipants]

Im not saying teens are having more sex today than in the past, Im saying social media normalizes things like sex so it is not whispered about anymore. It's openly discussed and joked about on social media, and in turn, birth control is also more normalized and easy to access.

Yeah, I agree with others who don't see why this isn't a bad thing.

 

[Smugpugmug]

I'm currently at the airport waiting for my Global Entry appointment and there are two people sitting near me that are blasting videos on their phones at max volume without headphones. One of them is about 50-ish and the other is mid 30s (not the best with ages). Made me think of this thread.

 

[anniemae]

Are you saying any of this is a bad thing? I’d argue that open discussions on subjects like this only results in people making better informed decisions. As you have already agreed, the data supports that.

Social norms are constantly evolving. Plenty of parents thought their kid’s attitudes about sex were a problem in the 60s/70s too.

Nope, not saying it's a bad thing.That wasn't my point at all. My original point was that social media is normalizing things and promiscuity was one of those things. What was negative about that is that social media can make it seem like it's no big deal, all the cool kids are doing it. Also many of the jokes I have seen about sex are derogatory towards women and some are just plain gross. Kids see these jokes/memes are they are forwarded to each other and it's all a big funny joke, not an adult act with adult consequences. That is what I was talking about when I said social media is normalizing sex, just as it normalizes vaping and makes it seem fun and cool and tasty fruit flavors too! Another poster was picking apart what I said and driving the point in a different direction of declining teen pregnancy rates. That was not at all what I was talking about.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

normalizing things and promiscuity was one of those things

You may want to re-read that statement out loud because I think Woodstock and the entire culture during that time period of "free love" broke that mold many years ago. Social media isn't responsible for that.

 

[starlite_]

Nope, not saying it's a bad thing.That wasn't my point at all. My original point was that social media is normalizing things and promiscuity was one of those things. What was negative about that is that social media can make it seem like it's no big deal, all the cool kids are doing it. Also many of the jokes I have seen about sex are derogatory towards women and some are just plain gross. Kids see these jokes/memes are they are forwarded to each other and it's all a big funny joke, not an adult act with adult consequences. That is what I was talking about when I said social media is normalizing sex, just as it normalizes vaping and makes it seem fun and cool and tasty fruit flavors too! Another poster was picking apart what I said and driving the point in a different direction of declining teen pregnancy rates. That was not at all what I was talking about.

Honestly the fact that you use the word "promiscuity" at all makes it seem like you are against teens learning about contraceptives and being informed about safe sex. Since it's a word with a lot of negative connotations, that might be why.

 

[mjkacmom]

Major campaigns on birth control, as well as easier access to birth control.

Social media normalizing sex so more teens are seeking out birth control. In the past it was very hush hush, but with sm normalizing it, its more out in the open and birth control isn't seen as something to be ashamed of buying.

social media harping on kids to practice safe sex.

Shows like Teen Mom that show the realities of teens having babies so they are more willing to get birth control and the show promotes the use of birth control.

So you think it’s a bad thing to normalize birth control? Honestly I think todays youth, based on those I know (I have 5 young adults with a lot of friends I’ve know forever, and my children are very open with us) that there is much less pressure on girls to say yes. Most that do are in committed relationships. Granted, I live in a solid middle+ class, well educated area, with 20 years of having kids in public schools I know if one pregnancy (a senior who graduated with my youngest in 2021). Better access to birth control and less stigma.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Im not saying teens are having more sex today than in the past, Im saying social media normalizes things like sex so it is not whispered about anymore. It's openly discussed and joked about on social media, and in turn, birth control is also more normalized and easy to access.

that happened way before social media was even a thing. Like the 70s with shows like Three's Company and all the sexual innuendos. It did not just start in the 2000s with social media. I think you are giving social media way too much credit.

 

[mjkacmom]

Honestly the fact that you use the word "promiscuity" at all makes it seem like you are against teens learning about contraceptives and being informed about safe sex. Since it's a word with a lot of negative connotations, that might be why.

I like to think of it as taking charge of your sexuality.

 

[gmi3804]

Are people here actually arguing that sex isn’t normal? That merely talking about it more is tantamount to forcing people to act on it?

 

[nancipants]

Nope, not saying it's a bad thing.That wasn't my point at all. My original point was that social media is normalizing things and promiscuity was one of those things. What was negative about that is that social media can make it seem like it's no big deal, all the cool kids are doing it. Also many of the jokes I have seen about sex are derogatory towards women and some are just plain gross. Kids see these jokes/memes are they are forwarded to each other and it's all a big funny joke, not an adult act with adult consequences. That is what I was talking about when I said social media is normalizing sex, just as it normalizes vaping and makes it seem fun and cool and tasty fruit flavors too! Another poster was picking apart what I said and driving the point in a different direction of declining teen pregnancy rates. That was not at all what I was talking about.

My experience with social media has been very different. I think teens/young adults are much more mature about sex nowadays, and are much more informed about issues like consent, sexual assault, safe sex, pregnancy, etc. Social media is part of that.

 

[starlite_]

I like to think of it as taking charge of your sexuality.

For sure, I am 100% in favor of teens (and all ppl tbh) having all the info possible to make educated choices.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I remember discussing this topic on a similar thread here years ago. (Virginity rings anyone? )

From a public health perspective, there is another significant reason why pregnancy rates have decreased among adolescents: The increase of casual oral-genital sex.

From The National Institutes of Health:

Most research on adolescent sexual behavior has focused on vaginal intercourse. Although first vaginal intercourse is clearly an important transition, adolescents engage in other types of sexual behavior, like oral-genital sex, that also have implications for health and well-being. More than half of adolescents (ages 15-19) have ever received or performed oral-genital sex, and incidence increases with age and vaginal intercourse experience (4-6).

Many teens perceive fewer health, social, and emotional risks for oral-genital versus vaginal sex, most notably the elimination of pregnancy risk. Teens may also view oral-genital sex as more acceptable, even outside the context of a romantic relationship (7-10). For some teens, oral sex may be seen as an alternative to vaginal intercourse, allowing more frequent and/or non-romantic sexual contact without compromising traditional definitions of virginity (11-13).

On the other hand, adolescents who experience oral sex are also less likely to report sexual pleasure relative to their peers with coital experience (21), and teens may not recognize that oral sex can still act as a mode of transmission for sexually transmitted infections (STIs) and thus may not use barrier protection while receiving or performing oral-genital sex (8-9,14-15).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3551538/

 

[GreatLakes]

Not extinct, but with human interaction (not online) seemingly going away, it's endangered.

I've only made it this far so God only knows what else has been discussed but I think this is a big problem. The amount of people that have no idea how to engage in a conversation in the real world, have meaningful friendships that aren't through a computer screen, or the ability to comprehend even the most basic of social norms is pretty alarming.

The Internet and Social Media are not the real world and that blur is problematic.

 

[soccerdad72]

A DIS CB Classic thread - somehow a thread about manners has managed to spin off two separate times, including real estate discussion and teen sexuality.

 

[CdnCarrie]

I've only made it this far so God only knows what else has been discussed but I think this is a big problem. The amount of people that have no idea how to engage in a conversation in the real world, have meaningful friendships that aren't through a computer screen, or the ability to comprehend even the most basic of social norms is pretty alarming.

The Internet and Social Media are not the real world and that blur is problematic.

I’m not seeing this among my kids and their peers (late teens). Are you seeing this with kids?
My kids don’t their first 12 years in daycare centres with a ton of kids. Not behind a screen.
I have seen number of older Dis posters say they don’t socialize outside their spouse.