AP's to get 20 FP+ per quarter

angelmichelle said:
Nine attractions as in rides or including shows/parades/fireworks?
For my trip... 2 MK days... 21 attractions (rides/parade), and 5/6 M&G's (which can get time consuming)... and we would want to do some rides more than once. Maybe we're ambitious. ;)

Nine attractions--including repeats--I believe. But since its a theoretical number, I don't think it matters much anyway. :)
 
Nine attractions as in rides or including shows/parades/fireworks?
For my trip... 2 MK days... 21 attractions (rides/parade), and 5/6 M&G's (which can get time consuming)... and we would want to do some rides more than once. Maybe we're ambitious. ;)

That makes you a "super-user". And you will be dealt with severely.
 
That makes you a "super-user". And you will be dealt with severely.

Hm? I'm not familiar with the term.

Making the most out of your vacation makes someone a super-user? To be fair, I've never used FP whenever I've been to WDW.... if FP coincides with 'super-user'ing? :confused3

If you're being sarcastic, then, all is well. The internet isn't the place for clear sarcasm, sadly.
 
angelmichelle said:
Hm? I'm not familiar with the term.

Making the most out of your vacation makes someone a super-user? To be fair, I've never used FP whenever I've been to WDW.... if FP coincides with 'super-user'ing? :confused3

If you're being sarcastic, then, all is well. The internet isn't the place for clear sarcasm, sadly.

This is the term another poster coined here to describe people who effectively "work the system". This poster claimed we are done for with FP+.
 

In one post someone mentioned an odd survey question from a test run.

"- Would you buy tickets through Disney in order to use this feature?" What could disney gain by only purchasing tickets through them?

By the way, this thread from the rumor boards in early November is fascinating.
 
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In one post someone mentioned an odd survey question from a test run.

"- Would you buy tickets through Disney in order to use this feature?" What could disney gain by only purchasing tickets through them?

More control, more data, more money?

By the way, this thread from the rumor boards in early November is fascinating.

Yeah, but it also said that it would be announced on December 6th. I don't recall anything being announced.
 
More control, more data, more money?

Yeah, but it also said that it would be announced on December 6th. I don't recall anything being announced.

The discussion on that thread parallels the discussion on here. But we have more information now.
 
doconeill said:
The number was just tossed out there, since we do not know the true numbers. But it was under the assumption that the FLE has increased park capacity. I'm not sure what metrics are used to compute that capacity - people per sq. ft of walking paths, bathrooms, etc. - but in theory it would have increased somewhat. I don't think it is anywhere near the 50-100% that some think though :)

Nice one :)

I knew it was a "pick a number" game.. but that's the point kinda. There is ONLY so much increase that be given before every day is near max capacity.. that's just not practical or enjoyable for the guests. And most importantly, for this guest.

Admittedly I was being flip with that last line about diminishing returns ... but to expand on my glib thinking.. :)

Someone pointed out the 9 attractions thing.. and someone else mentioned pushing thru a crowd to get to those and that nails way better my line of thinking.

We arrived here at Disney on Friday. I knew the parks would be sheer insanity and pretty much expected to get very little done til Monday. Mainly because of the holidays. I haven't been disappointed on that count.

Yes, I could have gone full commando and packed in ... well, probably more than 9 attractions per day ... but I'm getting older now.. I can't walk as long as I used to before my feet hurt and I just want a nap. Typically for me that's about 2pm. And now that I'm older, I like to savour the details.. and not RUSH across the park from FP machine to short line back to redeem FP etc.

I don't like any of that. So we arrived yesterday, we got lucky squeezed a couple of non-headliner attractions in at Epcot in the afternoon and then MK last night before a TO DIE for dinner at Tonys.

Today, we hit Animal Kingdom. Despite arriving at 8:53 .. I didn't even try for Everest today. Or anything "major" -- we got an FP for the safari, we had a lovely breakfast at Pizzafari, then used the FP, wandered the Pagani trail, took the train up to Conservation station and checked all that out.

We shopped a little and decided.. let's have lunch at DTD and then go back to the resort and chill at the pool. Did that and then off to Hollywood Studios, saw the Osbourne Lights and the Disney Animation thingy. (Which was weaksauce compared to the old days..) And then off to Whispering Canyon for dinner.

I tell you all this because even tho I have weak feet and low stamina .. this is not my natural touring style. The crowds were thick.. not as thick as earlier in the week, but still considerably outsized from where they will be on Monday/Tuesday and beyond. Magic Kingdom has been full-on nuts yesterday and today in my book. Seen it worse, but just not the kind of crowds at which.. I enjoy the parks.

And that is my point in a nutshell. If FP+ increases the planning required, and it seems like it does; if it reduces the number of attractions I can reasonably get into without standby lines of 45, 60, 120 and 180 minutes; if it reduces my ability to have a decent day at the parks without 6 months of planning; and if it raises the baseline of the slow times to higher crowds (effectively eliminating or severely reducing the slow times) ... then I'm done with Disney. Seriously. I'm at the age now, where generally speaking, the MAX time I will wait is 20-25 minutes. That's it. That's why I take slow times for trips.

I guess I got old?

One of my favorite things about Disney has always been that while some people like to plan the whole deal months in advance, I never have and never will. I liked getting up in the morning and playing Disney bus roulette to decide where I go that day sometimes. I don't want to decide where to eat 180 days before the meal. I don't wanna decide that even 180 MINUTES before every meal. (I'm ok with arranging a couple in advance)... And I sure as heck don't want to decide what rides (from a limited list) at what very limited times of the day 60, 120 or 180 days out.

Disney is convinced there's money at the end of this FP+ rainbow.. and there might be. But not one red penny will be mine if the stipulations above are the side-effects of this 'guest benefit' ...
 
I agree with everything CandianGuy said in post #870.

Also, when I did the volunteering for the Give a Day promotion and had the FP vouchers I remember our focus was using them for TSM but after getting our FP for the ride it went down for a really long time. We were bummed and didn't end up using them at all. I can't remember how they worked beyond that but I remember handing ours off to a family coming in because maybe they would be staying late enough to make use of them if the ride came back up. I know you had to pick from a pool of attractions for the GAD vouchers however, we really didn't need FP for some of the other possibilities.
 
Canadian guy said it very well. I find this so sad as a way to run the parks.

I can see how a few people may like this, but not for most repeat guests. How do you tell your kids , sorry you can't do Pirates again,or Pooh without an hr wait? Or like my boys, teens, who want the mountains, repeatedly, not rides like IASW?

I have been going since '71 opening, I remember the ticket books, the new parks opening, and this feels like going back to those days. Except there was A LOT LESS in the way of crowds to only have 1 or 2 fp that you really want or need in a day.

I do not like the no park hopping, either. We always hop around. I want to relax and enjoy, Not plan this vacation out like a work project.

This yr we have had annuals for WDW, UO/IOA, SW, and KSC. I have to say we enjoyed them all, but SW was fantastic for Christmas and that is the one that will not be missed next Dec. and UO/IOA with staying on prop, has been a hit, great for coasters! as well, and again the boys already are asking for another night or two in the next month back there. I don't know if we will contimue with the AP due to future changes. We have DVC as well, so I am sure we will always go at lst a few days or maybe start looking at exchanges for the rest of the pts.

Again, this makes me sad. I see it having the same kind of negative effect that the DDP had on food and dining in wdw.
 
sunshine girl said:
I heard that too re: the recharging station. Seriously though, the very last thing I want to do during my time at Disney is to have to sit there and recharge my phone!

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You will need a FP+ for that too.
 
The really scary part of all of this, is that Disney IT is the worst of any company I have ever seen, can you imagine the bugs this will have and how long it will take for it to work properly if it ever does. :sad2:

I'm thinking it's only the pubic-facing parts that have issues (except when they do upgrades to the Resorts back end), and I'm guessing (guessing!) that's because they probably out-source their web hosting, which requires intricate coordination to let the web apps thru the firewall to pull up data off the company's servers holding reservations and releasable parks information.

When you get down to it, for the most part, the back-end networks seem to work pretty darn good -- the rides run, the food gets delivered, the billing is mostly correct, staff is scheduled, payroll gets made...
 
I knew it was a "pick a number" game.. but that's the point kinda. There is ONLY so much increase that be given before every day is near max capacity.. that's just not practical or enjoyable for the guests. And most importantly, for this guest.

Admittedly I was being flip with that last line about diminishing returns ... but to expand on my glib thinking.. :)

Someone pointed out the 9 attractions thing.. and someone else mentioned pushing thru a crowd to get to those and that nails way better my line of thinking.

We arrived here at Disney on Friday. I knew the parks would be sheer insanity and pretty much expected to get very little done til Monday. Mainly because of the holidays. I haven't been disappointed on that count.

Yes, I could have gone full commando and packed in ... well, probably more than 9 attractions per day ... but I'm getting older now.. I can't walk as long as I used to before my feet hurt and I just want a nap. Typically for me that's about 2pm. And now that I'm older, I like to savour the details.. and not RUSH across the park from FP machine to short line back to redeem FP etc.

I don't like any of that. So we arrived yesterday, we got lucky squeezed a couple of non-headliner attractions in at Epcot in the afternoon and then MK last night before a TO DIE for dinner at Tonys.

Today, we hit Animal Kingdom. Despite arriving at 8:53 .. I didn't even try for Everest today. Or anything "major" -- we got an FP for the safari, we had a lovely breakfast at Pizzafari, then used the FP, wandered the Pagani trail, took the train up to Conservation station and checked all that out.

We shopped a little and decided.. let's have lunch at DTD and then go back to the resort and chill at the pool. Did that and then off to Hollywood Studios, saw the Osbourne Lights and the Disney Animation thingy. (Which was weaksauce compared to the old days..) And then off to Whispering Canyon for dinner.

I tell you all this because even tho I have weak feet and low stamina .. this is not my natural touring style. The crowds were thick.. not as thick as earlier in the week, but still considerably outsized from where they will be on Monday/Tuesday and beyond. Magic Kingdom has been full-on nuts yesterday and today in my book. Seen it worse, but just not the kind of crowds at which.. I enjoy the parks.

And that is my point in a nutshell. If FP+ increases the planning required, and it seems like it does; if it reduces the number of attractions I can reasonably get into without standby lines of 45, 60, 120 and 180 minutes; if it reduces my ability to have a decent day at the parks without 6 months of planning; and if it raises the baseline of the slow times to higher crowds (effectively eliminating or severely reducing the slow times) ... then I'm done with Disney. Seriously. I'm at the age now, where generally speaking, the MAX time I will wait is 20-25 minutes. That's it. That's why I take slow times for trips.

I guess I got old?

One of my favorite things about Disney has always been that while some people like to plan the whole deal months in advance, I never have and never will. I liked getting up in the morning and playing Disney bus roulette to decide where I go that day sometimes. I don't want to decide where to eat 180 days before the meal. I don't wanna decide that even 180 MINUTES before every meal. (I'm ok with arranging a couple in advance)... And I sure as heck don't want to decide what rides (from a limited list) at what very limited times of the day 60, 120 or 180 days out.

Disney is convinced there's money at the end of this FP+ rainbow.. and there might be. But not one red penny will be mine if the stipulations above are the side-effects of this 'guest benefit' ...

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The number was just tossed out there, since we do not know the true numbers. But it was under the assumption that the FLE has increased park capacity. I'm not sure what metrics are used to compute that capacity - people per sq. ft of walking paths, bathrooms, etc. - but in theory it would have increased somewhat. I don't think it is anywhere near the 50-100% that some think though :)



Nice one :)

MK is nowhere near 100k. Maybe total for the day, as in people who came and went.. but no, not for the in-park capacity. It is much much lower. Actually 100k thru-the-gate on a sold out event night on an also busy day park day would be about 100k, and again, those people aren't in the park at the same time.

Capacity is based on all kinds of factors, but Disney has the theorhetical, operational, and the limits from the Fire Marshall. It doesn't matter what the number is if crowding gets too bad in certain areas - like Main Street. Hence the reason MK often shuts down right before a parade on peak days. They havent met the actual physical capacity but they're limited with the crowding on Main Street.
 
Some numbers to mull around...

NYE..

MK: 72k total.
Epcot: 89k total.

MK had phase closings during the day, Epcot did not. High point of the total number of guests at Epcot was around 72k guests "in park" and that didn't trigger a capacity closure because of the size of the park.

So more people can be in Epcot at once than MK.. and simple math says that MK's phase closures are around 55-60k guests. MK had 81k guests thru-park the day before NYE and, not surprisingly, more phase closures for longer duration that day than NYE itself.
 
If you can get in 9 attractions during a day at the parks you will leave happy. 9 is the magic number to keep people happy.

Especially if they keep raising the prices while lowering your satisfaction.
 
Hm? I'm not familiar with the term.

Making the most out of your vacation makes someone a super-user? To be fair, I've never used FP whenever I've been to WDW.... if FP coincides with 'super-user'ing? :confused3

If you're being sarcastic, then, all is well. The internet isn't the place for clear sarcasm, sadly.

This is the term another poster coined here to describe people who effectively "work the system". This poster claimed we are done for with FP+.

Yes, the "sarcasm" was meant as a joke. if you read back on the thread, the other poster also said that this system is being implemeneted in part by Disney because they are trying to curtail some of our "super-user" behavior to make it more fair for everyone. Kum Bai Yah :hippie:
 





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