AP's to get 20 FP+ per quarter

[dadddio]

Yes but that means our AP will be dated 6 months before we arrive so we're only paying for 6 months worth of park admission.

You could buy a multi-day pass, use it to make your reservations, and then upgrade it to AP during your trip.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

You could buy a multi-day pass, use it to make your reservations, and then upgrade it to AP during your trip.

That's a better idea, as long as it's not directly connected of being an AP holder And that the AP won't be activated until the day the ticket is first used.

 

[mousermerf]

That's a better idea, as long as it's not directly connected of being an AP holder And that the AP won't be activated until the day the ticket is first used.

If you're not renewing you buy an new AP and get a voucher. It has been said at least half a dozen times an AP voucher works the same as an AP.

 

[HelenParr]

I am hopeful they allow my renewal voucher to work as a continuation of my AP, but I am concerned they won't. Universal allows you to be continuously AP renewed, which I did not like at first because the physical ticket does not change and has original date. I would be thrilled if Disney allowed remote actual renewal. That would improve my Disney experience...it has been glitchy previously with pass holder web access, etc.

 

[mom2rtk]

If you're not renewing you buy an new AP and get a voucher. It has been said at least half a dozen times an AP voucher works the same as an AP.

So maybe it needs to be said half a dozen and one times. Maybe half a dozen and two times.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

If you're not renewing you buy an new AP and get a voucher. It has been said at least half a dozen times an AP voucher works the same as an AP.

And there is the rude comments again Thanks alot for your help Sadly it's so present on the disboards, sometimes I wondered who died and made certain members Mickey Mouse

 

[HelenParr]

Back on point...I have not felt my AP renewal voucher worked like my AP. I live far from DW, and the timing of renewing in person, or activating my voucher often runs over the year. I renew to save the 50 bucks. Have never allowed a lapse in over ten years. But it is not really the same...the website glitches, buying TIW was not same, CMs on phone disagree on your status...I am not trying to argue the point, other than to say I am not yet convinced that Disney has accounted for these types of glitches relative to FP+. I am looking forward to being convinced...then again, I always stay on property, so it might not matter to me depending on how the room + AP works with FP+.

 

[dadddio]

I am hopeful they allow my renewal voucher to work as a continuation of my AP, but I am concerned they won't. Universal allows you to be continuously AP renewed, which I did not like at first because the physical ticket does not change and has original date. I would be thrilled if Disney allowed remote actual renewal. That would improve my Disney experience...it has been glitchy previously with pass holder web access, etc.

I think that you are in luck. It seems that the beauty of the new system is that paper tickets are going to be no longer necessary. Therefore, there'll be no need to convert a voucher to a ticket since it will be all done via your profile.

I think.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

Back on point...I have not felt my AP renewal voucher worked like my AP. I live far from DW, and the timing of renewing in person, or activating my voucher often runs over the year. I renew to save the 50 bucks. Have never allowed a lapse in over ten years. But it is not really the same...the website glitches, buying TIW was not same, CMs on phone disagree on your status...I am not trying to argue the point, other than to say I am not yet convinced that Disney has accounted for these types of glitches relative to FP+. I am looking forward to being convinced...then again, I always stay on property, so it might not matter to me depending on how the room + AP works with FP+.

I've had similar issues in the past. A voucher for an AP is NOT the same as having an AP. Until the voucher is active, you are NOT an annual pass holder because you can keep the voucher and use it in 10 years time as it never expires.

 

[aubriee]

You have a one day ticket though, so you can get at least one day worth. Under the MyMagic+ all tickets/passes "should" be recognized by the system by using the barcode number on the ticket.

Not really. Those old one day tickets are on my old MTTW room keys, so don't have a number. Even if it did work, I'd still not be happy about being able to get only one day's worth of fast passes for an eleven day trip.

 

[doconeill]

I am hopeful they allow my renewal voucher to work as a continuation of my AP, but I am concerned they won't. Universal allows you to be continuously AP renewed, which I did not like at first because the physical ticket does not change and has original date. I would be thrilled if Disney allowed remote actual renewal. That would improve my Disney experience...it has been glitchy previously with pass holder web access, etc.

I've called up and renewed a live AP...I still had to pick up a new printed one though. Took a couple minutes. If a MagicBand takes the place of your paper ticket eventually (right now, you have to retain the ticket itself since they apparently haven't tied a way to verify APs at purchase locations for discounts, which is foolish), you _may_ be able to retain the same MagicBand and the entitlement can get renewed. But I actually don't think MagicBands will work over a certain amount of time, at least not 100%. There is supposed to be a non-replaceable battery that powers a longer-range transmitter for some purposes.

Access to the passholder site has ALWAYS been glitchy, whether it be a live AP or not. They seem to be trying to tie the pass better to the account, but I still have issues with my voucher.

 

[doconeill]

I've had similar issues in the past. A voucher for an AP is NOT the same as having an AP. Until the voucher is active, you are NOT an annual pass holder because you can keep the voucher and use it in 10 years time as it never expires.

Up until now, having the voucher only got you access to the Passholder web site. That was glitchy whether it was a voucher or a live pass.

I don't expect much to change, except that you'll be able to pre-book FP+ using the voucher codes. I also expect that if people abuse the use of vouchers, say by using a voucher to book FP+s and then never actually activating the AP, penalties will be instituted - such as the AP not being able to book FP+s when finally activated, etc.

Not really. Those old one day tickets are on my old MTTW room keys.

You turn them in for the "new" tickets. Eventually you will not be able to use them directly.

 

[Disney_Princess83]

If the AP voucher works to make the FP+ reservations, it's not too bad. I won't really like having to purchase the AP prior to arrival but we can deal with it. As long as it does actually work and doesn't have so many problems, it won't be worth trying to book FP times.

Up until now, having the voucher only got you access to the Passholder web site. That was glitchy whether it was a voucher or a live pass.

I don't expect much to change, except that you'll be able to pre-book FP+ using the voucher codes. I also expect that if people abuse the use of vouchers, say by using a voucher to book FP+s and then never actually activating the AP, penalties will be instituted - such as the AP not being able to book FP+s when finally activated, etc.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

The problem is there just simply aren't enough FPs to go around. Period. See my previous post.

In order to define "enough", you're making so many assumptions. Assumptions that you have no way of knowing will make sense in the real world once this is fully implemented. Yes, the nature of forecasting is such that we can't possible "know" that our assumptions are correct. I, however, will trust that Disney has a better grasp on the proper assumptions than we do on these boards.

Does this mean Disney never takes a wrong turn? Of course not! But they generally right the ship better than any other company I can name.

You still don't know demand jusy because you know capacity.

Exactly.

But it will hurt their bottom line if / when people get irritated becasue they were told that there weren't any more FPs for the headliners to be booked in advance and then they get to the parks and find out that there were in fact more FPs to be had, but they missed out on those too. Or when people are booking their vaction and find out that there aren't any more advanced FP selections for the attractions they want, and decide to postpose their vacation all together not knowing (or not willing to take the chance) that they might be able to get those FPs once they get to the parks.

I think that you are way over-estimating the importance of FPs for the vast majority of Disney-goers. I would posit that an unbelievably small number of people will actually make a go/no-go decision on a Disney vacation based on FPs. But of course, this is just a guess on my part.



I also have to say more generally that the notion that Disney "forgot" about AP holders or are somehow "just now" thinking about this sounds ludicrous to me. The number of people -- throughout the organization -- that would have to be asleep on the job in order for that to happen make this completely implausible to me. Doesn't mean they have a "final answer" on how it will work, but they have undoubtedly been considering a variety of scenarios. Which still makes sense at this stage of a roll-out -- not everything is set in stone. Again -- the system is flexible for a very good reason.

 

[aubriee]

You turn them in for the "new" tickets. Eventually you will not be able to use them directly.

After I get down there again, that would be fine for the rest of the tickets. However, I have a trip planned for May and won't be down there before then to get a "new" ticket. I'll need to make FP+ reservations before then (like 40 days from now).

 

[doconeill]

After I get down there again, that would be fine for the rest of the tickets. However, I have a trip planned for May and won't be down there before then to get a "new" ticket. I'll need to make FP+ reservations before then (like 40 days from now).

First, you may need to make FP+ reservations before then.

Second, you should still be able to enter the ticket info from the KTTW cards. If they forget that some people still have valid tickets on "expired" KTTW cards, there will be lots of phone calls to WDW Ticketing to get the correct codes.

 

[aubriee]

I think that you are way over-estimating the importance of FPs for the vast majority of Disney-goers. I would posit that an unbelievably small number of people will actually make a go/no-go decision on a Disney vacation based on FPs. But of course, this is just a guess on my part.



I also have to say more generally that the notion that Disney "forgot" about AP holders or are somehow "just now" thinking about this sounds ludicrous to me. The number of people -- throughout the organization -- that would have to be asleep on the job in order for that to happen make this completely implausible to me. Doesn't mean they have a "final answer" on how it will work, but they have undoubtedly been considering a variety of scenarios. Which still makes sense at this stage of a roll-out -- not everything is set in stone. Again -- the system is flexible for a very good reason.

I don't think she is. I know in my case how this plays out will affect my decision whether to go or not. I am already thinking about canceling my May trip or at least not getting another AP and spending no (or maybe just less time) at WDW. Again, so far I hate everything I've read about this new system and see no pros for the AP holders. Getting to the parks at rope drop and utilizing fast passes has always worked very well and allowed us to do everything we've wanted to do in a timely manner. Yes, I was an uberuser, but everyone else had the same opportunity to be one also.

I've already bought air fare for my May trip and also have a deposit that I can't get back for a ressie over at Bonnet Creek, so I'll be going to Orlando in May. I may not be getting a new AP though and may spend my time doing other things in the Orlando area. I am also a Universal AP holder and they are looking better and better with all the new rides they are building. This may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. I may not be making my 4-6 trips down to WDW every year from now on. I doubt if I'm the only one feeling this way either. WDW has been treating their loyal AP holders like second class citizens for awhile now.

 

[lovethattink]

I don't think she is. I know in my case how this plays out will affect my decision whether to go or not. I am already thinking about canceling my May trip or at least not getting another AP and spending no (or maybe just less time) at WDW. Again, so far I hate everything I've read about this new system and see no pros for the AP holders. Getting to the parks at rope drop and utilizing fast passes has always worked very well and allowed us to do everything we've wanted to do in a timely manner. Yes, I was an uberuser, but everyone else had the same opportunity to be one also.

I've already bought air fare for my May trip and also have a deposit that I can't get back for a ressie over at Bonnet Creek, so I'll be going to Orlando in May. I may not be getting a new AP though and may spend my time doing other things in the Orlando area. I am also a Universal AP holder and they are looking better and better with all the new rides they are building. This may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. I may not be making my 4-6 trips down to WDW every year from now on. I doubt if I'm the only one feeling this way either. WDW has been treating their loyal AP holders like second class citizens for awhile now.

Before you make any quick decisions based on rumor and speculation, wait and see how this all plays out in actuality.

I'm a PAP who goes to a park once a week. I completely understand how you feel. We did not renew our Tables in Wonderland card this year due to the price increase. We have already changed our eating habits and in just these few weeks of January have eaten more off property than on. We also have been making less impulse purchases since we lost our 20% merchandise discount.

In addition, there are a large number of us AP holders and many of us locals have Universal 2 park passes, Busch Gardens, Sea World and Legoland passes. I'm sure Disney has these competitor parks in mind too and would not want to lose us to them.

 

[Bonniec]

Before you make any quick decisions based on rumor and speculation, wait and see how this all plays out in actuality.

I'm a PAP who goes to a park once a week. I completely understand how you feel. We did not renew our Tables in Wonderland card this year due to the price increase. We have already changed our eating habits and in just these few weeks of January have eaten more off property than on. We also have been making less impulse purchases since we lost our 20% merchandise discount.

In addition, there are a large number of us AP holders and many of us locals have Universal 2 park passes, Busch Gardens, Sea World and Legoland passes. I'm sure Disney has these competitor parks in mind too and would not want to lose us to them.

We're PAP too and ours are due up in March. I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet. I'm mostly bothered because the parks have felt so full this year. I'm contemplating dropping Disney all together and upgrading Universal for the after 4 express pass. I'll have to see if it slows down between now and March. We let our TIW drop this month as well. Just wasn't worth it anymore.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

OK, even though I swore I would stop trying to "what if," all this AP talk has me wondering.

Currently you can renew your AP within 30 days of its expiration to get the discounted renewal rate and not effect the anniversary date. Correct?

Say my AP is due to expire on June 1. My trip starts on June 5. To keep my June 1 anniversary date, and still get the discounted renewal rate, I need to renew on May 2 or later.

IF we are allowed to book FP+ at 60 days (which I am speculating will be the case based on on-line check in for resort guests being at 60 days), for my trip that would be on April 6. Would the website let me book FP+ for all of the days of my trip on April 6 with my current active AP, even though it would show in the system as expiring on June 1, 4 days before I arrive? Or would it require me to wait until May 2, the earliest day to renew my AP to keep my anniversary date and still get the renewal discount...

(FWIW, this scenario doesn't affect me personally since my AP expired in November. We were planning on upgrading our MYW tickets purchased from UT on our first day.)


This also leads me to wonder, as a PP did either on this thread or another, will WDW package payment dates stay at 45 days or will it move up to 60? Will My Disney Experience let you do on-line check in when you haven't paid the balance yet? And if it will (as it should, since room-only guests pay their balance on arrival) will it be programmed correctly to allow FP+ reservations at that time as well?