AP's to get 20 FP+ per quarter

If they wanted to limit the number of times guests could get a FP to ride the same attraction again, they could simply have written a program that would only allow a FP to be issued one time per day for any given guest ticket or AP.

This is so simple, it's just silly.

What they want is to tie guest demographics and spending directly to ride utilization - hence the wristbands. When they got rid of ticket books they lost the way of relating revenue to rides. People riding an attraction multiple times further screws up their numbers.

They want all that info and control back - plus from an operational standpoint they want crowds spread out more evenly.

Plus they want to fix the FP-created problems.
 
Do you not get what I am saying AT all? Or are you choosing to ignore it? Or are you talking to others.

This system as you propose/report it:

1. Forces me to only use 20 FP per 12 weeks
2. Forces me to limit those to only 5 days as they MUST be used in one day
3. Perhaps even limits me from using them at ALL if I decide to go tomorrow because they could be all pre-reserved already
4. This forces me to ride all the FP worthy rides in one day instead of spreading them out over the course of 12 weeks.

Do you not see it as a crummy system for those that pay for AP's?

For -you- not for the average AP.
 
You have 20 days in the year to hit the headliner attractions at all 4 parks with little to no wait for less than $450.

I have no sympathy for your "plight."
 

The average local AP and anyone who takes a trip longer then 5 days at one time that is an APH.

Not *just me*

I agree with you. I hardly ever did only a 5 day trip when we had APs. I completely get what you're saying and agree. How is it the AP's fault that they go more than those without passes? That's the POINT of having an AP and in the end will probably keep people out of the parks considering some of the wait times last week because so many people had FP+ on the bigger attractions. I would definitely be saving my FP+ for the busy season. Will be interesting to see what they do with AP holders who stay on site.
 
You have 20 days in the year to hit the headliner attractions at all 4 parks with little to no wait for less than $450.

I have no sympathy for your "plight."[/QUOTE]

My "plight" to dislike the change. :rotfl:

Well it's been nice discussing with you, as you asked for in your first post, when you clearly didn't mean it. What you meant was....agree not discuss but sadly I have everyday chores I must attend to now.
 
IF you cannot choose how many FP+s between 1-4 you can have per visit during that quarter and have to choose 4 FP+s, I'm guessing the attractions will still be put into tiers? So therefore half of those FP+ would have to be used on attractions such as Philharmagic/IASW.
So you could possibly only end up with 10 FP+s per quarter choosing between the big attractions (parades/wishes/ETWB/Mountains/LM etc.)
Seems info is still thin, hopefully all will be much clearer soon! Also, will be interesting to see what happens when the ride(s) you have chosen for that day during the quarter end up breaking down and not being up and running during the visit.
 
So I've been skimming most of this thread.. I have a few questions, if someone wouldn't mind helping out.

I'm new to the fastpass+ world. Does this fastpass+ 20 tickets/5 days limitation apply to all annual passes, or just florida residents passes? I ask because, as we are not residents, we visit Disney World every couple of years, stay onsite, it's usually more then 10 days, so we get annual passes.

Are we required to use fastpass+? Or can we stick with regular fastpass?

When is fastpass+ set to start? In regards to the limit of one park per day, we will often split between two parks in a day, for instance, we'll go to HS in the morning, have a late breakfast, then walk over to Epcot in the afternoon.. Will we still be able to use fastpass+ / fastpass between parks in a single day, or are we just out of luck?

Thanks in advance.

:rotfl2:..Never realized how dependant I'd become on fastpass.. lol
 
Slightly off-topic - I apologize - but how does FP+ work for things like parades/fireworks? Preferred viewing or something?

We usually always split our day between 2 parks too, and I would be disappointed if you had to use the 4 FP+ for the day in one park, and could get none at the second park. Not to mention that the 4 FP+ return times may turn out to be spread out throughout the day in a way that would make us have to choose between staying to use them later, and ditching them to go to the second park of the day.

One of my favorite things about Fastpass was that it was a fair system and equally available to everyone (everyone, at least, who did the bare minimum of research into where they were going on vacation). When other places brought out FOTL passes and the wait times shot up for all the rides, we stopped going there as much and spent those extra days at Disney instead. I remember thinking how much I hoped/was glad Disney hadn't gone down that route. Now with FP+ and potentially making it exclusive to resort guests (we always stay on-site now, but there was a time when we would stay off-property), it makes me a bit sad that they're feeling the need to change it after all.
 
So you should be allowed to ride Space Mountain with little or no wait 20+ times in a year while a tourist should have to wait 2 hours or more to ride it once....?

There should be no distinction.

Besides which I am a passholder AND a tourist. Now what ya got?
 
I've been a proponent of FP+ for awhile, but I just don't understand the "one park per day" and "no standard FP access" parts. I'm hoping this is either a fluke or they will come to their senses because if that's the case, I see no benefit with FP+.

Assuming you do get access to the regular FP+ system (at the least), I don't see this as bad. If you think about it, there are 13 weeks in a quarter of a year, yet you have 20 FP+s per quarter. If you are one of the few guests who go once a week, you can get at least one FP+ per week. I think this is a fair return, as this would really be the only possible way to do it to avoid giving those traveling with annual passes an excess number of FP+s. It would also encourage AP Holders to visit more often.

I just sincerely hope that Disney rethinks the whole "no access to standard FP" and "one park per day".
 
I just sincerely hope that Disney rethinks the whole "no access to standard FP" and "one park per day".

The law of "unintended consequences."

For every fix, there must be a series of additional fixes added to correct the first fix.

Leave the FP system, the heck, ALONE.
 
I agree, this sounds like a mess. Keeping the system the way it is would suit me just fine. Just because you have the means to do something different because of new technology doesn't mean you should.
 
I agree, this sounds like a mess. Keeping the system the way it is would suit me just fine. Just because you have the means to do something different because of new technology doesn't mean you should.

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The law of "unintended consequences."

For every fix, there must be a series of additional fixes added to correct the first fix.

Leave the FP system, the heck, ALONE.

Totally agree Robo. I just don't understand if the FP+ system rolls out how it's been rumored here on these boards, it won't mean a return to two-hour standby waits even in the offseason?
 
What they want is to tie guest demographics and spending directly to ride utilization - hence the wristbands. When they got rid of ticket books they lost the way of relating revenue to rides. People riding an attraction multiple times further screws up their numbers.

They want all that info and control back - plus from an operational standpoint they want crowds spread out more evenly.

Plus they want to fix the FP-created problems.

Illogical.

As I mentioned, the situations you sited have always existed, and if they were a major concern to Disney, they could have easily been addressed at any time.

But now, only after they have been diddling with the entire WDW FP system, do these invasive, confusing, massive changes appear to be on the horizon.

Draconian fixes to fix fixes that obviously didn't seem to warrant fixing at any time during the previous decade, or so.

Silly.

Sad.
 
Ah, yes. I vividly recall the days before FP, with 2 hour waits for "E" rides. They may think queue enhancement will make it less awful (but it won't, not enough less awful).

I'm with Robo. Leave it alone!!

This is going to be successful like "character caravan." You folks recall that brilliant idea? Getting rid of EMH mornings but sending a bus of characters to the hotel lobbies.
 














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