AP sales…

[Madame]

I didn’t say I would do it, I asked what is possible.

I imagine you could get a Canadian to do it for you too. I’ve never personally used these tickets (we usually do 4-5 park days max), but if APs go away permanently a longer trip once every 2 years could work if we decide to keep our points…

 

[Memorymakerfor4]

Holy cow. I just spent more of my day reading this entire thread than I care to admit. The kids have trashed the house and I need a drink.

Please Disney, give us a resort stay pass.

 

[redboat45]

I'll never understand why people outside of the USA get a better deal on tickets than those that live here.

 

[EilonwyWanderer]

They're paying a LOT more to get here.

 

[redboat45]

They're paying a LOT more to get here.

so

 

[bwvBound]

Actually the more I think on it, if I am purely looking at the daily revenue contribution per guest (as also guided by the park reservation system in taking up a spot at the park for that day), the impact of AP holders could be pretty steep in the bottom line to the expected return of shifting to dynamic pricing - especially for more popular dates (I think this is key).

In saying this, there are many cohorts of AP holders from local to out of state to actual park attendance days per year. Only Disney knows the percent mix, but if I start to play with some extremes:

- An AP holder ($1,300 unlimited) that attends 20+ park days, and likely not to book Genie+ (and Park Hopper Included!) is effectively representing a $65 (or lower) revenue contribution on a per guest / day for just their "Ticket".
- This is opposed to non-AP -$64 (with the cheapest 10 day, multi-day discount and Park Hopper applied) - this is the lowest possible cost option and gets steeper based on more popular dates / less days of ticket - best case example for Disney.
- Start tweaking the cohorts, factoring the lower level AP types, more daily attendance and the differences only steepen outside of Disney's favor - as it would for more popular times of the year (except for the blackout specific dates - but seasonality still applies)
- And, this is before Genie+ purchases, food, beverage, merch, and lodging options - all of which can vary

Ok, I'm the AP holder mentioned above: $1400 (DLR Magic Key, Dream) and I'll use it 20+ park days. FWIW, this level of AP also covers my parking ($30/day) ... but I only use Disney parking on half of our visits and had never used parking before this pass.

Our Disney park patterns, on both coasts, demonstrate increased spending. Because we visit so often, we can spend more time (and $$$) on dining. Rather than grabbing a Quick Service meal while running between attractions, we slow down to enjoy at least one Table Service meal each day. We book at least one "high end" meal per trip. And we often book a special event -- like dining with the Animal Keepers or a behind-the-scenes tour.

Lately we've been laughing at our Disney spending, "But look how much we saved!" (Referring to the savings from our AP discount, right??) Of course, that growing bucket of "savings" simply means we are spending more and more and more ...

 

[Sandisw]

so

Disney chooses to offer them better deals to entice them to come. Many come for two to three weeks at a time which means once here, they spend a lot

Disney must feel it’s worth it in the end.

 

[john7994]

Ok, I'm the AP holder mentioned above: $1400 (DLR Magic Key, Dream) and I'll use it 20+ park days. FWIW, this level of AP also covers my parking ($30/day) ... but I only use Disney parking on half of our visits and had never used parking before this pass.

Our Disney park patterns, on both coasts, demonstrate increased spending. Because we visit so often, we can spend more time (and $$$) on dining. Rather than grabbing a Quick Service meal while running between attractions, we slow down to enjoy at least one Table Service meal each day. We book at least one "high end" meal per trip. And we often book a special event -- like dining with the Animal Keepers or a behind-the-scenes tour.

Lately we've been laughing at our Disney spending, "But look how much we saved!" (Referring to the savings from our AP discount, right??) Of course, that growing bucket of "savings" simply means we are spending more and more and more ...

We would be in the same group as you - if an AP was available for us to purchase as we are out of state. The "value" discussion of the AP holder is complicated because there are so many types. I would imagine, if you what you describe is anything like us, we would be "desirable" despite the "loss" on the ticket savings.

 

[Sandisw]

We would be in the same group as you - if an AP was available for us to purchase as we are out of state. The "value" discussion of the AP holder is complicated because there are so many types. I would imagine, if you what you describe is anything like us, we would be "desirable" despite the "loss" on the ticket savings.

I Think this highlights that there are just a lot of different types of guests that can benefit from some level of AP or yearly multi day ticket and why it’s not as simple as giving this group or that group access

Hopefully what we see is maybe some different options under a yearly program that meets more peoples needs. I love having the AP but probably would never use more than 40 days and most years probably more like 30.

 

[bwvBound]

We would be in the same group as you - if an AP was available for us to purchase as we are out of state. The "value" discussion of the AP holder is complicated because there are so many types. I would imagine, if you what you describe is anything like us, we would be "desirable" despite the "loss" on the ticket savings.

On the bolded section: During DLR's long closure, they spoke of a completely new AP program. From the fluffy marketing terms, it sounded like tiered benefits based on the consumer's loyalty to Disney. I figured we'd be in a great position as "desirable": Legacy passholder at closing; D23 Charter Member; DCL Gold; Disney+; and let's not forget -- DVC Direct with a healthy bucket of points.

By now they should be practically giving me a pass with the invite: Spend! Spend! Spend! (Yes, I'm being sarcastic ... )

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Disney chooses to offer them better deals to entice them to come. Many come for two to three weeks at a time which means once here, they spend a lot

Disney must feel it’s worth it in the end.

I agree with “so”.
By your theory, someone traveling from Anchorage should pay less than someone driving 10 miles from Orlando… but they don’t.

I don’t get it either.

 

[john7994]

On the bolded section: During DLR's long closure, they spoke of a completely new AP program. From the fluffy marketing terms, it sounded like tiered benefits based on the consumer's loyalty to Disney. I figured we'd be in a great position as "desirable": Legacy passholder at closing; D23 Charter Member; DCL Gold; Disney+; and let's not forget -- DVC Direct with a healthy bucket of points.

At this point they should be practically giving me a pass with the invite: Spend! Spend! Spend! (Yes, I'm being sarcastic ... )

So glad you said that ... I feel EXACTLY the same way about it. We are D23 Gold, Disney +, DVC Direct, Disney Card Holders, and RunDisney Club Members!

 

[john7994]

I Think this highlights that there are just a lot of different types of guests that can benefit from some level of AP or yearly multi day ticket and why it’s not as simple as giving this group or that group access

Hopefully what we see is maybe some different options under a yearly program that meets more peoples needs. I love having the AP but probably would never use more than 40 days and most years probably more like 30.

A little parity (being out of state but frequent visitors), spend recognition, and loyalty back would be nice

 

[Sandisw]

I agree with “so”.
By your theory, someone traveling from Anchorage should pay less than someone driving 10 miles from Orlando… but they don’t.

I don’t get it either.

Not sure what there is not to get. Disney has decided those people get different deals because they feel it makes good business sense to do so.

Not my theory..just saying that is what Disney is doing. They do it all the time,, different groups get different things..way most business work these day. Fact of life…

Oh, and if Disney decided to give Alaska residents a different deal then they do me as New Yorker, then that’s up to them

 

[Sandisw]

A little parity (being out of state but frequent visitors), spend recognition, and loyalty back would be nice

Sure, it would be great to see them take a different approach but I just don’t let those bother things me..whether it’s Disney or any other business I am involved with…because in the end, I don’t control them. I only control how I respond to what they have done.

I recognize that in the scheme of things I am no more or less important than any other Disney guest.

 

[john7994]

Sure, it would be great to see them take a different approach but I just don’t get let those things me..whether it’s Disney or any other business I am involved with…because in the end, I don’t control them. I only control how I respond to what they have done.

Agreed, we are locked and loaded for three more trips over the next 7 months ... so gonna roll with it for now

 

[mistysue]

Not sure what there is not to get. Disney has decided those people get different deals because they feel it makes good business sense to do so.

Not my theory..just saying that is what Disney is doing. They do it all the time,, different groups get different things..way most business work these day. Fact of life…

Oh, and if Disney decided to give Alaska residents a different deal then they do me as New Yorker, then that’s up to them

I think everyone comprehends that they decided to give UK guests better ticket options. It's just many of us believe it's stupid and makes no sense. I mean they're getting discounted tickets, along with discounted room and many years free dining to top it in off.

Meanwhile a few years ago my family was going for 2 week trips in higher cost rooms, paying for all of our TS meals with more expensive tickets and fewer park days. But those UK people are more valuable in spite of our spending more to get less.

 

[BillPA]

I miss Mr. Eisner

 

[Royal Consort]

Wait, so all I have to do is either know someone in the UK that can buy it for me or buy it while I am in the UK on business travel and I can get these tickets?

My understanding is you cannot be a US resident and purchase the tickets.

 

[Royal Consort]

I think everyone comprehends that they decided to give UK guests better ticket options. It's just many of us believe it's stupid and makes no sense. I mean they're getting discounted tickets, along with discounted room and many years free dining to top it in off.

Meanwhile a few years ago my family was going for 2 week trips in higher cost rooms, paying for all of our TS meals with more expensive tickets and fewer park days. But those UK people are more valuable in spite of our spending more to get less.

Yeh the deal was great. We travelled on free dining and discounted accommodation for years prior to buying DVC as it didn't really make much financial sense to do so at the time. Now the situation has changed a bit.

But it isnt stupid and it does make sense. Most Americans get a week of annual leave. Disney wants to get the most out of you guys in the short time you have. The UK get longer vacations and Disney wants them to stay longer, on site, and spend. It is not unusual to find UK guests staying 2-3 weeks at a time. The average American doesn't do that. To ensure the guest remains at Disney these deals are offered to UK guests. Captive audience.