AP sales…

[Maistre Gracey]

As I mentioned, they could keep it all the same except adjusting the buckets behind the scenes so that if the AP bucket is close to full but tickets bucket is not, adjust.

I get the different buckets and I think it’s okay to keep them so each type of ticket holder has spots without the other taking majority.

But, since Disney controls those, they have the power yo adjust and combine when things get down to a level suggesting capacity limits will be reached.

For all we know, they are doing it now and it’s been posted it very well may be.

I do agree we may be in for some different type of ticket that is not called an AP but allows X admissions within the year.

I don’t understand… if they are going to adjust the buckets when needed, why have the buckets in the first place?

I HATE the reservation system.

 

[Sandisw]

I don’t understand… if they are going to adjust the buckets when needed, why have the buckets in the first place?

I HATE the reservation system.

Adjust between the two. For example, you have 30k spots that day. 15k to each bucket so that neither ticket holder gets shut out too quickly.

If you notice that the ticket bucket is going down faster, then you move spots from AP bucket but maintain that initial 30k. And do the same if AP is going faster.

If you get down to say 5k spots left, then it’s first come first serve.

Reservations don’t bother me so if they go away, fine..if they stay, fine.

 

[keishashadow]

So anyone who has an Incredipass or Sorcerers pass now is potentially part of the class? That's interesting.

Thanks for all of your thoughtful posts. Much appreciated.

Believe you always have option to opt out of any class action lawsuit

Renewed one of family’s APs yesterday. Wanted to downgrade from incredipass to sorcerer DVC disc, so had to call DVC MS

Did so around 3:30 pm…only a 5 min wait!!!

Then the fun started

Told too early, 61 days prior to expiry

Since a trip on books including those dates explained I thot I could renew

Told no Again

Asked for supervisor to be consulted

After 20 min hold, all good.

CM very apologetic. Stated most working from home & wait times up the chain are increasing

 

[Brian Noble]

I'm not as convinced that this bus is being driven by the CA lawsuit, because some APs are being sold on both coasts, but inventory buckets are still separate (and in Anaheim, still biased to day guests AFAICT).

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[WilsonFlyer]

It wouldn't surprise me to see APs at the FL parks limited to FL residents and DVC owners when they bring them back. I hadn't really thought about it until now, but that addresses a lot of problems in one neat fix. Popular? Probably not, but also probably not as negatively impactful overall as some other answers might be if you stop and think about it.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Disney mac]

Honestly, as long as we flock like loyal little lemmings to use our DVC points, they don’t have to care. Lawsuits or not, until the next recession, Disney doesn’t care about anything we say or do as long as we donate money to Bonus for the executives…

 

[New Mouse]

As I mentioned, they could keep it all the same except adjusting the buckets behind the scenes so that if the AP bucket is close to full but tickets bucket is not, adjust.

I get the different buckets and I think it’s okay to keep them so each type of ticket holder has spots without the other taking majority.

But, since Disney controls those, they have the power yo adjust and combine when things get down to a level suggesting capacity limits will be reached.

For all we know, they are doing it now and it’s been posted it very well may be.

I do agree we may be in for some different type of ticket that is not called an AP but allows X admissions within the year.

I think we should call them. Non expiring multi day tickets.

 

[Sandisw]

I think we should call them. Non expiring multi day tickets.

I didn’t use that phrase because those never expired.

I am suggesting something that can be used over multi trips within an expiration of one year like an AP

But yes, similar to what they had!

 

[eandt]

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If that is the case, then the trial will not last very long!

If that is the case there will be no trial, it will just be a matter of what the terms of the settlement will be.

 

[keishashadow]

It wouldn't surprise me to see APs at the FL parks limited to FL residents and DVC owners when they bring them back. I hadn't really thought about it until now, but that addresses a lot of problems in one neat fix. Popular? Probably not, but also probably not as negatively impactful overall as some other answers might be if you stop and think about it.

hmm…being ‘guaranteed’ the ability to buy APs might be a way to churn sales for DVC going forward…naturally, buy in at a higher rate that we are now seeing. As long as they grandfather the rest of us in, I could live with it.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[greeneyedchick]

Yes, me too. Every time I hear a rumor that the reservation system might be ended, I get obsessive about tracking down the facts behind the rumor. So far, no credible facts or sources.

Those who stay in qualifying hotels can use the reservation system and schedule way ahead for their hotels, dining and park reservations. It is a whole trip package. If scheduling weeks or months in advance, they can be pretty sure they will get access to any park they want. Those reservations are not even counted against their allocated passholder reservations.

But, for a local who lives very close by and goes home after a day at the parks, it means we are always limited to the number of reservations in our pass and cannot refresh them until we have attended the park. So, if I have 3 days, I cannot pick out 3 days several months in the future. Like one each in summer, late fall and next January. When events or concerts come up, I cannot do that. If I reserve way in advance, I cannot go until the first day comes and I attend the park. All the in-between time is dead. So, I have to keep my reservations for the immediate future -- because anything else shuts me out of the parks for a huge percentage of the year. I have to hope other ticketed guests and passholders staying on property have left some reservations for very short term scheduling -- like same day or in a few days. Disney allows every other type of guest to effectively block out the local passholder seeking to make use of their annual pass.

I have heard Chapek is a huge bean counter. He loves data and numbers. So, he loves reservations because the reservations produces a data rich environment for him. He is tone deaf to what reservations and Genie Plus or ILL do to the park experience. He does not care. Supposedly the data helps with staffing the parks, evening out the crowds and telling them when the passholders attend. But, the social effect is not equally important to them. So, he gets his data by having the reservation system.

People are aware of Chapek's comment about the long distance guest being more profitable than passholders. But they are not aware of the immense hurdles the reservation system has imposed on the local passholders who are blocked out so often and cannot plan far in advance because it eats the paltry few days they can hold as a reservation. It is apparent Disney very much dislikes local guests with annual passes. If they could think of another roadblock, he would implement it. There is a reason the Pixie is $399. With just 3 days, limited to weekdays, no holidays and short terms park availability, it is nearly worthless compared to how I was able to use annual passes prior to the reservation system.

Also, if you think we have it bad, park access is supposed to be part of the compensation package for Disney employees. They have been almost completely locked out. Their "bucket" is so restricted there is a rumor it only has 10 spots per day! But, with Disney stock tanking, $114.29 as I write this, Chapek is not going to change his behavior in favor of what he perceives as less profitable guests.

I keep hearing that reservations give Disney the data. As someone who works in IT, I don't understand why Disney doesn't already have this data. They know when each person swipes into a park. They know how many people are staying on property. They should have historical data as to the percentage of people staying on and off property. They could have easily been capturing this data for years and using it to predict their busiest times. Even other tourist websites have some of this data that they use to compile their crow calendars. How does Disney not already know how many people are coming to the parks and which parks they are going to?

Now requiring people to tap into their reserved park before park hopping to any other park (which is an unknown for Disney), they are actually screwing the up their data because a lot of people are swiping into one park without any intention of spending time in that park, just so that they can park hop to the place they really wanted to go later in the day. Disney should have the data of where everyone park hops to, too. The argument that they need reservations in order to staff the parks is nonsense. From what I've seen, all parks are crowded every day and should be staffed to the max to give people the best chance at a positive park experience. They don't need park reservations to tell them that.

 

[eandt]

I keep hearing that reservations give Disney the data. As someone who works in IT, I don't understand why Disney doesn't already have this data. They know when each person swipes into a park. They know how many people are staying on property. They should have historical data as to the percentage of people staying on and off property. They could have easily been capturing this data for years and using it to predict their busiest times. Even other tourist websites have some of this data that they use to compile their crow calendars. How does Disney not already know how many people are coming to the parks and which parks they are going to?

Now requiring people to tap into their reserved park before park hopping to any other park (which is an unknown for Disney), they are actually screwing the up their data because a lot of people are swiping into one park without any intention of spending time in that park, just so that they can park hop to the place they really wanted to go later in the day. Disney should have the data of where everyone park hops to, too. The argument that they need reservations in order to staff the parks is nonsense. From what I've seen, all parks are crowded every day and should be staffed to the max to give people the best chance at a positive park experience. They don't need park reservations to tell them that.

Agree it's not like Disney hasn't been doing this for like 50 years ........... the reservation system is bs, might it save them a few employees here or there maybe but all of this historical data should already exist and if it doesn't then head's should have rolled long ago.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[AnnaKristoff2013]

If that is the case there will be no trial, it will just be a matter of what the terms of the settlement will be.

The class representative will get some money, the lawyers will get a lot of money, the rest of us will get a $15 coupon for two free blue milks at Galaxy’s Edge. On the plus side, it will force Disney not to do this again.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

If that is the case there will be no trial, it will just be a matter of what the terms of the settlement will be.

yet, I have heard no talk of settlement, and the judge dismissed 4 or 5 parts of the compliant….