Anyone watching Ben the Bachelor tonight? - NO SPOILERS PLEASE

Yes I think many of these girls revert back to their beauty paegent or cheerleading squad days. It becomes more about having to win than having real feelings for the guy. The exception this season seems to be Kacie, and maybe Nicki. Kacie especially seemed like she was really in love with him, or infatuated at the very least.

I found it, ABC 20/20. http://www.hulu.com/watch/135076/abc-2020-inside-the-bachelor-stories-behind-the-rose

I can't pull it up but maybe you all can. I can pull up the smaller segments I found in other places...

Melissa was her name...she said she absolutely knew what she had signed up for, but she still got hooked in. I'm sure they look for girls who have just been dumped like her and Nikki. The show sure is a study.

There's this about the 20/20 special.

ABC's promos for The Bachelor have a long history of insulting our intelligence. Remember the clip of Tenley Molzahn telling Jake Pavelka she's pregnant? (Which turned out to be a tossed-off joke?) So it's no shocker ABC's ad for its 20/20 special, Inside The Bachelor: Stories Behind The Rose, promised "the most shocking and memorable moments in Bachelor history" and "some never before seen Bachelor surprises."


Of course, I watched the show anyway! And I'm here to say: They delivered -- to an extent. Although we got no more dish on what really happened between Rozlyn Papa and the mysterious ABC producer who lost his job over her, I give creator and exec producer Mike Fleiss credit for confirming some long-suspected, behind-the-scenes details. Some interesting tidbits:

1. Why Jake picked Vienna Girardi: 20/20 cohost Chris Connelly explained, "Tenley just didn't seem to be able to unfasten Jake's seatbelt quite like Vienna…Proof to some of a time-honored Bachelor love lesson: 'Lust conquers all.'"


2. There are two private, camera-free rooms in the mansion. Former season 4 contestant (and ABC special correspondent) Melissa Rycroft showed viewers one, the master bathroom, where she said "we would get ready together for dates and rose ceremonies," and revealed, "We were our own chefs, our own housekeepers, and our own makeup artists.” Touring the bedrooms, we saw a shockingly small closet five women share. For two months, contestants are in "total isolation from the outside world. No laptops, no ipods, no tvs, no phones."


3. Host Chris Harrison used to think his scripted lines were stupid. "For a while I fought it," he said. "Everyone knows there’s one rose. This is stupid. I don’t want to say, ‘This is your final rose tonight.’ But now I embrace it."


4. Season 1 Bachelorette Trista and Ryan Sutter's wedding cost nearly $4 million, and the couple pocketed a cool million on top. Six years later, they live a private life in Colorado, where he's a firefighter, and she's a stay-at-home mom to 2-year-old Max and 8-month-old Blakesley.


5. Good TV trumps all. After a season 1 clip, when a contestant's panic attack required an ambulance, Fleiss said, "We weren’t sure going into the series whether or not the women would really care, whether they would really compete for the love of one guy.... And once we started seeing girls hyperventilating and what not, we knew it was working." And on his seemingly heartless decision to let Rycroft get dumped on national TV, he said, "We’re making a television show here that’s watched by millions of viewers faithfully, and to deprive them of that moment would have been unfair."

6. But at least Fleiss admitted -- finally someone admitted! -- the contestants aren't all there to find romance. "We know that there are women and men not looking for love but angling for their big show-biz break," he said. "Whether or not someone is there for the right reasons, you really don’t know until they start crying. If they’re crying about losing a guy, or happy to be in love with a guy, then you know that they’re actually sincere." Connelly's follow-up: "Of the 25 women you choose, how many of them have to be there for the right reasons for it to be a good show?" Answer: "About half."


7. Another revealing exchange came when Connelly asked, "Why do so few women just walk away?" He put this excellent query to a relationship therapist. "It's the group dynamic," replied the therapist. "People are all geared around 'how can I stay,' and 'how can I win?' So it seems very counterintuitive to think, 'How can I get out of here?'”

The most intriguing answer to that question came from Rycroft. "This is gonna sound terrible, but I wasn’t attracted to Jason [Mesnick]," she said. "If I were to meet him on the street and be single, I don’t think that we would ever date. But put in the circumstances that we were, I thought he was the greatest thing to drop from heaven.'" Later, Season 6's Byron Velvick echoed: "I was in love [only] in so much as we were living in a fantasy world," he said of his Bachelor pick Mary Delgado. "The whole thing is surreal. The dates are surreal. I’m seeing her in the absolute best light. She’s seeing me in the absolute best light." Their volatile (and allegedly violent) relationship ended disastrously.


8. The producers have changed their ideas about the key to the show. "The initial thought [was] that we had to have real love and a marriage," Fleiss said. "Now we know that’s not necessarily true. It’s really based on whether or not [the viewers] like the guy and hate the girls…They don’t need to hate all the girls, but we need our fair share of villains every season. And now we’re very careful in our casting...." He also copped to intentionally drawing out any negative drama. "If there's a conflict, we don't want people hugging it out in the first 15 minutes."


9. Ever wondered whether contestants are drinking heavily? "Champagne, tequila, beer, red wine, white wine," said Fleiss. "I don’t think it plays any more of a role than it does in dating situations just in general." Estella Gardinier of season 4 joked about an average day: "Wake up. Go to the margarita machine. Take a nap. Go to the margarita machine. Say hi to the girls. Go to the margarita machine."


10. And the question we've all been dying to ask: Do the Bachelors have sex with the women? "There is sex," said Fleiss. "There’s not a ton of it. I think the average is, the guy will end up having sex with three women during the course of the show." But wait: when Connolly asked who had had the best batting average? "That’s my man Bob Guiney," Fleiss grinned. "I think he was five and a half."

"I heard they called me the Kissing Bandit," Guiney said. "Ultimately it was like you know just trying to figure out if you had a romantic connection." Uh-huh, sure, Bob.
 
Here's a youtube clip of Ben's take on the WTA special. He really is incredibly dull and blinded and gullible and stupid...the list goes on.;) His mannerisms are kind of girly too, I kept waiting for him to toss back his luscious bangs during the interview.

Nevermind, it contained a stupid spoiler!
 

Here's a youtube clip of Ben's take on the WTA special. He really is incredibly dull and blinded and gullible and stupid...the list goes on.;) His mannerisms are kind of girly too, I kept waiting for him to toss back his luscious bangs during the interview.


(Edited out because of spoiler in link.)

Yuk! I have to go take a shower now. I feel so skeevy watching him by himself.
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He was still defending Courtney. :rolleyes: He also seemed to over-exaggerate some mannerisms, that he doesn't do during the show. I've read that one of the tells when people lie is that they over-exaggerate because they are trying to convince people they are not lying.
 
Yuk! I have to go take a shower now. I feel so skivvy watching him by himself.
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He does give off a skanky vibe, doesn't he. Kind of like a dirty old uncle or something.:eek:

He was still defending Courtney. :rolleyes: He also seemed to over-exaggerate some mannerisms, that he doesn't do during the show. I've read that one of the tells when people lie is that they over-exaggerate because they are trying to convince people they are not lying.

That's because he's a tool. He truly thinks that EVERYONE (including, you know, America) doesn't see the real Courtney he does. I'd wager we're the ones who did see the real her and he only saw the "winning" baby girl voice playing on his emotions side of her. I still would love to hear from his mom and sister. Remember how guarded and skeptical they were of Ashley?? Can you imagine how they're reacting to seeing their boy with Courtney?:eek:

His mannerisms were very odd. It was like he couldn't sit still! My eight year old can sit longer than he can apparently without fidgeting.
 
Here's a youtube clip of Ben's take on the WTA special. He really is incredibly dull and blinded and gullible and stupid...the list goes on.;) His mannerisms are kind of girly too, I kept waiting for him to toss back his luscious bangs during the interview.
*edited out link* BE CAREFUL! There is a spoiler video showing F1 (the final rose recipient) that comes up on the suggested/related videos on the right with "WINNER - Final Rose" in the title and the name of the winner. I don't know if it's correct or not, but it's there anyway.

FTR, I thought he was way more engaged talking to the interviewer (who was that?) than he was on the majority of his one-on-one dates where the pool women poured their hearts out to him.
 
He does give off a skanky vibe, doesn't he. Kind of like a dirty old uncle or something.:eek:



That's because he's a tool. He truly thinks that EVERYONE (including, you know, America) doesn't see the real Courtney he does. I'd wager we're the ones who did see the real her and he only saw the "winning" baby girl voice playing on his emotions side of her. I still would love to hear from his mom and sister. Remember how guarded and skeptical they were of Ashley?? Can you imagine how they're reacting to seeing their boy with Courtney?:eek:

His mannerisms were very odd. It was like he couldn't sit still! My eight year old can sit longer than he can apparently without fidgeting.

She played on something, but I don't think it was his emotions....unless that's some new slang word.....:laughing:
 
BE CAREFUL! There is a spoiler video showing F1 (the final rose recipient) that comes up on the suggested/related videos on the right with "WINNER - Final Rose" in the title and the name of the winner. I don't know if it's correct or not, but it's there anyway.

FTR, I thought he was way more engaged talking to the interviewer (who was that?) than he was on the majority of his one-on-one dates where the pool women poured their hearts out to him.

Oh crap! And after all that spoiler talk too!:laughing: I'm going to edit it out. Thanks for pointing it out to me.
 
She played on something, but I don't think it was his emotions....unless that's some new slang word.....:laughing:

:lmao:Well, if that's what they're calling it now!

I'm still shocked that he went on about trust and respect for the women when he sent Shawntel home and then goes skinny dipping with Courtney.:sad2: He expects these women to be 100% open, honest and respectful yet he clearly doesn't extend the same courtesy to them. Talk about a double standard.
 
Here's a youtube clip of Ben's take on the WTA special. He really is incredibly dull and blinded and gullible and stupid...the list goes on.;) His mannerisms are kind of girly too, I kept waiting for him to toss back his luscious bangs during the interview.

Nevermind, it contained a stupid spoiler!

Oops, too late for me.
 
FTR, I thought he was way more engaged talking to the interviewer (who was that?) than he was on the majority of his one-on-one dates where the pool women poured their hearts out to him.

He was more engaging because he was lying.

Robin, edit out the link in your post, you quoted 3prettyprincesses. :surfweb:


She played on something, but I don't think it was his emotions....unless that's some new slang word.....:laughing:

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Oh crap! And after all that spoiler talk too!:laughing: I'm going to edit it out. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

I edited out of my post, too. I luckily missed the spoiler as I was already retching and looking for the vomit smiley. :crazy2:
 
Oops, too late for me.

Sorry.:flower3: I didn't even see it and quickly deleted the youtube link after robinb mentioned it.

I edited out of my post, too. I luckily missed the spoiler as I was already retching and looking for the vomit smiley. :crazy2:

I didn't see anything either! After the clip played on People Magazine, I copied the link quickly and closed the window so I could post it over here. I didn't pay attention to the suggested videos that popped up after the clip. Sorry ladies.
 
I don't know how you can NOT know who won, it's just about everywhere!!

Between you and me I think the producers leaked it!! :lmao: People are watching it just to see if it's true! I know I am!!! :happytv:

I went on the FB page and someone mentions it every other post. Sorry I did that dumb thing...:mad:

Regardless, I'm looking forward to the Bachelorette. Something about a house full of guys that is way more attractive to me! ;)

I need an acid shower after Ben, he makes my skin crawl. :scared:
 
I don't know how you can NOT know who won, it's just about everywhere!!

Between you and me I think the producers leaked it!! :lmao: People are watching it just to see if it's true! I know I am!!! :happytv:

I went on the FB page and someone mentions it every other post. Sorry I did that dumb thing...:mad:

Regardless, I'm looking forward to the Bachelorette. Something about a house full of guys that is way more attractive to me! ;)

I need an acid shower after Ben, he makes my skin crawl. :scared:

I wonder if the producers purposely leaked the opposite of who actually wins? :scratchin this is the 14th (?) season. I'm sure they have figured out by now how to hide who actually wins. For all we know, they could have had Ben "accidentally" seen in public with a model who looks a lot like the girl who lost, but she's wearing big sunglasses & a hat, so no one knows it's not really her. :cool2:
 
...For all we know, they could have had Ben "accidentally" seen in public with a model who looks a lot like the girl who lost, but she's wearing big sunglasses & a hat, so no one knows it's not really her. :cool2:

.....:eek: don't. burst. my. bubble.
 
OK, with all the Courtney-bashing, I thought I would be fair and balanced and throw down on the other half of the final Two.

I can't STAND listening to Lindzi talk. In fact, i have fast forwarded through every date and one-on-one since since San Fran. For someone from Central Florida, she talks like a valley girl. She gives the word rose 3 syllables.

But back to Courtney, I think she might have figured out she really f-ed up her modeling career with this show and needs to do some damage control. The covers of her that i saw she has the down-home-American-girl look. Which doesn't work too well if you hold the title of World's-Most-Hated. And now that she is recognizable, snarky two faced black widow doesn't sell many magazines- outside of the tabloids.

And as for the Women Tell All, she really needs to stick to modeling. An actress she is not. Did anyone else notice that the "big breath- OK" she did as she got in the limo sounded EXACTLY like Kacie B in Switzerland before she knocked on the door- the scene from GMA-DISboards-spoilergate-2012?

I just can't wait for this to be over. i feel like we are all hostages who will be freed on Monday!
 
And as for the Women Tell All, she really needs to stick to modeling. An actress she is not. Did anyone else notice that the "big breath- OK" she did as she got in the limo sounded EXACTLY like Kacie B in Switzerland before she knocked on the door- the scene from GMA-DISboards-spoilergate-2012?

I just can't wait for this to be over. i feel like we are all hostages who will be freed on Monday!

...you GO gurl-fren....can ah get an "A-MEN",
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.....:worship:

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