Anyone interested in doing a bible study? Current book: Joshua

[DStar4cup]

Wow it has been awhile since I studied about Moses and Joshua. I had forgotten about Moses sending the spies and that only the 2 got to enter the land. Great job!!!

 

[live4christp1]

Just wanted to add, my username is a bit long and it's okay if everyone just calls me Cristy

 

[Lessa of Pern]

one Talmudic analysis is that Moses wasn't allowed to enter the land because he lost his temper and struck the rock whenthe people asked for water. there is also a Talmudic legend that Miriam's Well followed the pople in thier wnaderings in the desert, but that the well ran dry after Miriam died, leaving the childrne of Israel without water.

 

[Rajah]

Okay, my notes (with some to do further research on when I get a chance -- in the meantime, anyone have any insights?)

People:
Moses -- The previous servant of the Lord
Joshua -- Moses' assistant. Son of Nun
The Israelites -- God's people
The Hittites -- ??
The Reubenites -- ??; Ordered to help the Israelites; Obeyed Moses
The Gadites -- ??; Ordered to help the Israelites; Obeyed Moses
Half Tribe of Manassah -- ?? (What's a half-tribe?); Ordered to help the Israelites; Obeyed Moses

Places:
Jordan River
Desert of Lebanon
The Euphrates River
All the Hittite country
The Great Sea (Mediteranean)
The land east of the Jordan -- belonged to the Reubenites, Gadites, and Manassah. Which implies that the Israelites were crossing the Jordan heading West.

Favorites (NIV version):
Joshua 1:5 "As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you."
Joshua 1:9 " Be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go."

Questions:
-What was the command the Lord gave the Reubenites, Gadites, and Manassah? Who were those tribes? Were they slaves?

-Can we find a map showing where these ancient places were?

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Cristy -- Cool notes, and thanks for adding what your study bible has! Cross references like this are one thing I'm not sure how to get, so you're being a great help!

DStar -- good insight. I agree!

 

[Rajah]

one Talmudic analysis is that Moses wasn't allowed to enter the land because he lost his temper and struck the rock whenthe people asked for water. there is also a Talmudic legend that Miriam's Well followed the pople in thier wnaderings in the desert, but that the well ran dry after Miriam died, leaving the childrne of Israel without water.

Lessa -- what's a Talmudic analysis? Or Talmudic legend? And what was Miriam's Well?

 

[DStar4cup]

one Talmudic analysis is that Moses wasn't allowed to enter the land because he lost his temper and struck the rock whenthe people asked for water. there is also a Talmudic legend that Miriam's Well followed the pople in thier wnaderings in the desert, but that the well ran dry after Miriam died, leaving the childrne of Israel without water.

Like I said earlier it has been awhile since I had studied Moses and to be honest with you I wasn't even sure what you were talking about when you said Talmudic analysis. I did a search and read alot on it and the 20th chapter of Numbers is on this subject. The water did dry up when Miriam died and God told Moses to speak to the rock not strike it as he did. As a result, Moses and Aaron were not allowed into the promise land. Thank you for posting about this because it made me go back and look at passages that I would not have looked up.

 

[Rajah]

translations:
NIV: Joshua is Moses' aide
KJV: Joshua Moses' Minister
NASB: Joshua is Moses' servant
Young's Literal Translation (YLT): Joshua is the minister of Moses

What's interesting is the different connotations here. KJV and YLT say Joshua is Moses' minister, which to me says a fellow teacher in faith. NIV says aide, which says to me assistant but not necessarily as "skilled" or lerned in faith. A "second". But obviously Joshua is as capable as Moses in leading the Israelites, or God wouldn't have selected him. NASB says "servant", which has a totally different connotation than aide or minister.

Personally, I feel "minister" is the closest description.

 

[Rajah]

Like I said earlier it has been awhile since I had studied Moses and to be honest with you I wasn't even sure what you were talking about when you said Talmudic analysis. I did a search and read alot on it and the 20th chapter of Numbers is on this subject. The water did dry up when Miriam died and God told Moses to speak to the rock not strike it as he did. As a result, Moses and Aaron were not allowed into the promise land. Thank you for posting about this because it made me go back and look at passages that I would not have looked up.

So Numbers 20 is what I should read to get caught up on this part?

 

[Rajah]

And some commentary on vs 5-9:

The Lord appoints Joshua to succeed Moses.

Joshua had attended upon Moses. He who was called to honour, had been long used to business. Our Lord Jesus took upon him the form of a servant. Joshua was trained up under command. Those are fittest to rule, who have learned to obey. The removal of useful men should quicken survivors to be the more diligent in doing good. Arise, go over Jordan. At this place and at this time the banks were overflowed. Joshua had no bridge or boats, and yet he must believe that God, having ordered the people over, would open a way. (Jos 1:5-9)

 

[Rajah]

And a list of cross references from the NAS version:

Cross references:
Joshua 1:2 : Num 12:7; Deut 34:5
Joshua 1:2 : Josh 1:11
Joshua 1:3 : Deut 11:24
Joshua 1:4 : Gen 15:18; Num 34:3
Joshua 1:5 : Deut 7:24
Joshua 1:5 : Deut 31:6, 7; Heb 13:5
Joshua 1:6 : Deut 31:6, 7, 23
Joshua 1:7 : Deut 5:32
Joshua 1:8 : Deut 31:24; Josh 8:34
Joshua 1:8 : Deut 29:9; Ps 1:1-3
Joshua 1:9 : Josh 1:7
Joshua 1:9 : Deut 31:8
Joshua 1:11 : Josh 3:2
Joshua 1:12 : Num 32:20-22
Joshua 1:13 : Deut 3:18-20
Joshua 1:15 : Josh 22:4
Joshua 1:15 : Josh 1:1
Joshua 1:17 : Josh 1:5, 9

Time to do some reading.

 

[DStar4cup]

So Numbers 20 is what I should read to get caught up on this part?

Yes Numbers 20 tells of Miriam's death and God tell Moses and Aaron to speak to the rock and instead he struck it. Because he did not do as God said and show the people that God is taking care of them then they were not allowed into the promise land.

 

[live4christp1]

-Can we find a map showing where these ancient places were?

There is one in my Bible showing the land at different times including this one. I was looking for one online to link here but haven't had any luck yet. I'll keep searching.

 

[DStar4cup]

Questions:
-What was the command the Lord gave the Reubenites, Gadites, and Manassah? Who were those tribes? Were they slaves?


Not sure if this is right but I think they were some of the tribes of Israel that wanted to stay in the land right before the promise land. The Lord was angered by this but they offered to go into the promise land and fight and Moses told them that they would be given the land that they wanted. This from numbers chapter 32.

 

[Rajah]

Yes Numbers 20 tells of Miriam's death and God tell Moses and Aaron to speak to the rock and instead he struck it. Because he did not do as God said and show the people that God is taking care of them then they were not allowed into the promise land.

Thanks!

Guess I need to go back and review who Miriam was. I keep thinking of Mirrim (I think) from one of Anne McCaffrey's Pern books.

 

[DStar4cup]

I have to go get some work done but will be back. Thanks for posting the cross ref. I will read them and get back here. Thank you so much for starting this. I have missed doing bible study with people.

 

[Lessa of Pern]

Miriam was the sister of Moses and Aaron. when Yocheved placed MOses in the basket to float on the Nile, it was Miriam who observed Pharoah's daughter rescue Moses and who brought Yocheved to Pharoah's daughter to serve as Moses' nurse.

at the Sea of Reeds (not the "Red" Sea), Miriam took her timbrel in her hand and led the women in songpraising the Lord.

And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
21 And Miriam answered them, Sing ye to the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.

 

[Rajah]

A little more on Geography, from Deut 11:
-Mount Gerizim (blessed) and Mount Ebal (cursed, for some reason), both West of the Jordan.
-Canaanites are west of the Jordan, in the Arabah (anyone else think "Agrabah" of Aladdin fame?), opposite Gilgal, beside the oaks of Moreh (which implies somewhere out there are oaks)

 

[Rajah]

Ahh hah, thanks Lessa. I obviously need to go review Moses' life.

Now... what's a timbrel? Is that like a tamborine?

 

[Lessa of Pern]

translations:
NIV: Joshua is Moses' aide
KJV: Joshua Moses' Minister
NASB: Joshua is Moses' servant
Young's Literal Translation (YLT): Joshua is the minister of Moses

What's interesting is the different connotations here. KJV and YLT say Joshua is Moses' minister, which to me says a fellow teacher in faith. NIV says aide, which says to me assistant but not necessarily as "skilled" or lerned in faith. A "second". But obviously Joshua is as capable as Moses in leading the Israelites, or God wouldn't have selected him. NASB says "servant", which has a totally different connotation than aide or minister.

Personally, I feel "minister" is the closest description.

I used a Jewish translatiion of the text: After the death of Moses the servant of the Lord, the Lord said to Joshua son of Nun, Moses' attendant:

very different meaning than "minister" or "servant" -- although you used "minister" as having a similar meaning to a minister in a church, "ministers" are also governmental officials, heads of departments. but an attendant is different from a minister, isn't it?

translations should always be read in context -- you read a Christian translation of the text ands gave a Christian interpretation. I am more familiar with tranlations done by Jewish scolars, and would never have interpreted the text the way you did.

 

[Lessa of Pern]

Okay, my notes (with some to do further research on when I get a chance -- in the meantime, anyone have any insights?)

People:
Moses -- The previous servant of the Lord
Joshua -- Moses' assistant. Son of Nun
The Israelites -- God's people
The Hittites -- ??
The Reubenites -- ??; Ordered to help the Israelites; Obeyed Moses
The Gadites -- ??; Ordered to help the Israelites; Obeyed Moses
Half Tribe of Manassah -- ?? (What's a half-tribe?); Ordered to help the Israelites; Obeyed Moses

Places:
Jordan River
Desert of Lebanon
The Euphrates River
All the Hittite country
The Great Sea (Mediteranean)
The land east of the Jordan -- belonged to the Reubenites, Gadites, and Manassah. Which implies that the Israelites were crossing the Jordan heading West.

Favorites (NIV version):
Joshua 1:5 "As I was with Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you."
Joshua 1:9 " Be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go."

Questions:
-What was the command the Lord gave the Reubenites, Gadites, and Manassah? Who were those tribes? Were they slaves?

-Can we find a map showing where these ancient places were?

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Cristy -- Cool notes, and thanks for adding what your study bible has! Cross references like this are one thing I'm not sure how to get, so you're being a great help!

DStar -- good insight. I agree!

the twelve tribes of Israel

Jacob fathered 12 sons. They are the ancestors of the tribes of Israel, and the ones for whom the tribes are named. Each occupied a separate territory (except the tribe of Levi, which was set apart to serve in the Holy Temple).


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Asher
Benjamin
Dan
Gad
Issachar
Joseph*
Judah
Levi
Naphtali
Reuben
Simeon
Zebulun


(Around the Tabernacle and in order of their marches)

The Eastern Tribes

Judah
Issachar
Zebulun

The Southern Tribes

Reuben
Simeon
Gad

The Western Tribes

Ephraim
Manasseh
Benjamin

The Northern Tribes

Dan
Asher
Naphtali

*The sons of Joseph, Ephraim and Menasseh, were also given the status of independent tribes.