Anyone else watch Dr. Phil today?

I am so blessed to have the best of both worlds. I work just weekends, 12 hour shifts, but an paid for full time. This enables me to be home for my kids during the week, while DH is home with them on weekends. I am able to take off every 16 weeks, so I like to plan somethig special for those weekends. For me, it is very important to be home when my 13 yo old DD gets home. I see so many young teens wandering the streets after school, before their parents get home. I see youing girls going in & out of the front doors of yound boys homes, while there is no adult supervision. I want to be there, know what she is doing, that homework is done & my ears are available if she had a bad day & great day.
I also take a class twice a week. During that time my 3 yo DS is in daycare, which he adores. If I had to every return to working full time during the week, I think my boys, 8 & 3, would be fine b/c I could place them in daycare. But, with a 13 yo, your choices are much more limited.
Sorry I rambled on & on & on. :)
 
I'm on the other side of the wall on this one. When DH and I had our first DS, we made a conscious decision that one of us would stay at home with our child.

We decided that since I made more and had a better job, I would be the one working and he would be a SAHD. You would not believe the amount of flak we've gotten over the years - even from family. But you know what, I wouldn't reverse the situation even if we had the chance.

DH is so much more patient with the kids, and better with them overall. I love working and I know truly that I could never last one day with the kids before I would go crazy. But the minute I come home from work, I put on my mommy hat and I become a mommy for the kids.

Being an SAHM or an WM is a personal choice. It has to come from inside of us to work. If it's forced it would never work out in the long run. When we decide to have kids, we make choices in the best interest of our kids and we make compromises and sacrifices to give our kids the best that we think they should have.

Unfortunately this issue/debate is one that will not go away anytime soon. Let's just all agree to disagree/agree with one another.
 
Originally posted by Jenn Lynn
Why can't we, as women, support each other and not tear each other down. Why does one have to be "better" than the other?

::yes:: I TOTALLY AGREE!!!::yes::
 

I usually work 1 day a week, I say usually because my company has to pay the government back 1.4 million dollars, so I haven't been getting alot of hours. I love being at home. I couldn't imagine leaving my kids in a daycare for 10 hours a day , 5 days a week, and the daycare worker telling me, your son crawled today for the 1st time or your daughter walked today for the 1st time. That would kill me! I want to see those things for the 1st time, not the hired help, telling me about it. Kids are little for such a short time, we can cut back a little so I can be there for them. I have a college degree and could return to work if I wanted to. But I DON'T want to. I love the luxury of living on 1 paycheck. If we needed two paychecks to survive that would make me nervous. What, God forbid, if something happened? I may not live in a $400,000 house and drive a BMW, but we aren't in debt either. I do understand about what 1 person said about SAHM being boring. My friend, when her kids were little(I didn't have any yet) she would call me and only talk about her kids, Johnny did this today, Janie did this. I wanted to hear about her kids, but not for an hour straight. It drove me Crazy! I avoided her phone calls like the plague and swore I would never be that way. I have outside interests besides my kids, which I believe still makes me a well rounded person.
 
Recently, Ive been both and currently am balancing a part time
job with all the responsibilites of SAHM-house, food, social,laundry,shopping, bills, child. The one thing I can say
that I know to be true-SAHMs keep the world running. They
volunteer, they sit boards, they control the economy, they raise
the nations future leaders- theirs and other's children. I respect
every SAHM I call friend. In the defense of the people who say SAHMs don't get enough intellectual stimulation: I have seen and
know some Moms who stay home but seem to keep the focus on
themselves and have nannies blah, blah blah. You know them too. These folks give the rest of us a bad name!
Back when I was a travel agent, I had this client I called "Snow White" because she had jet black hair, alabaster skin, red lips;
she was flawless. She came in to plan a middle school graduation
trip to Paris for herself and her daughter. The daugther broke down crying as she sobbed she said, "Mom, this trip is for you,
I just want to go to WDW!" They went to Paris. I'm sure the
girl had fun but the mom was totally self focused and called herself a SAHM with nannies, maids and a cook. Read "the Nanny diaries." These women actually exist and I think it's why so many of us get a bad rep.
 
shortbun, your story is so SAD! If I ever do that to my kid, please shoot me!

I've read through this whole thread, and several other, simliar ones back in the dabte board days. One thing that strikes me about this disagreement on WM/SAHM is, most of us will be both, at some point. Look how many people worked after #1 but stayed home after #2, or were home for a few years and then went back when their kids were older, worked part time, etc. etc. What's really important here is, doing what's best for your family, at that point in time. I'm home now, but we're already looking at me going back when the baby hits school age (4 years). My SIL planned to be home "forever", but last year took a job in the cafeteria at her kids' school--it doesn't pay much, but the hours are perfect. Not exactly a wild career, but she's happy, that's all that counts. We've all known lousy SAHMs, great WMs, and every variation in between. But pretty much, we'll all be on both sides of the equation at some point--just something to think about!
 
Originally posted by BuzznBelle'smom
shortbun, your story is so SAD! If I ever do that to my kid, please shoot me!

I've read through this whole thread, and several other, simliar ones back in the dabte board days. One thing that strikes me about this disagreement on WM/SAHM is, most of us will be both, at some point. Look how many people worked after #1 but stayed home after #2, or were home for a few years and then went back when their kids were older, worked part time, etc. etc. What's really important here is, doing what's best for your family, at that point in time. I'm home now, but we're already looking at me going back when the baby hits school age (4 years). My SIL planned to be home "forever", but last year took a job in the cafeteria at her kids' school--it doesn't pay much, but the hours are perfect. Not exactly a wild career, but she's happy, that's all that counts. We've all known lousy SAHMs, great WMs, and every variation in between. But pretty much, we'll all be on both sides of the equation at some point--just something to think about!

Exactly! I had my career as an International Travel agent-went
all over the world, lead tours, took tours.....
Then-I retired when my son was 5 and going to school the next year. After two years, I took a job as a school bus driver so I could work and have the same schedule as DS. I also volunteer in his school between my routes. It's perfect, not intellectually
stimulating like world travel but perfect! DS and I had a little
cry last week because our summer together was over.
 
Now see...... I'm finding the SAHM's on this are very interesting and I haven't read about any losing their identity yet. :crazy:

I agree w/ what so much of you have said. If you are not happy staying at home w/ the kids, then don't. The kids will be much better off in a good daycare than w/ a whining, unhappy Mom who thinks she gave up everything for them. I want to do this and I am so very happy and my kids are better off w/ me at home. A couple of my DF's (one of which is an attorney who is an ExSAHM until her kids were both in school full-time) want to keep working and that is great for them, too. I offer to help out w/ the carpooling or whatever else I can do because that is tough being a WM and I am glad I don't have to work outside the home.

Hannah's Mom: I always heard the saying that when you die, your tray will still be full. And I must tell my DH to try to enjoy life a little, hence our new ownership of a DVC. He works so very hard. I thought about when I am 80 (hopefully I'll make it there), and looking back on my life, will I be more proud and happy about my wonderful career or my wonderful children? Obviously, you all know my decision.

Huey duey & luey: My God Honey! My heart goes out to you! Raising children means lots of sacrifices. I was speaking w/ my DH last night after I left the boards and told him I've lost not my identity, but most of my private time. I mean, I love being a SAHM, but now that there are 2 (3 is a whole new dynamic), and I get a shower, one goes in the bath beside me, the other in the ultrasaucer beside me, and me in my glass shower so I can watch them. In the bathroom, I always have one of them coming to visit to see how I'm doing. But kids can get into amazing trouble at this age, so I'm glad for the visit to reassure me of their well being. But my showers are a family affair these days and once in a while I miss my primping and probing and quiet days. That's when my DH takes them and I get a bubble bath. The only other way to avoid that is to get up before 5 or 5:30, get a shower and hope that the little guy doesn't awaken before I get out. But that is so difficult for me, too, seeing as I am up usually past 11 or 12 doing all the acctg work I didn't do during the day because I was spending my time w/ them. Sending lots of Pixie Dust your way for strength and humor and hoping you have a wonderful 2nd trip to WDW.

Julia and Nicks Mom: Same goes for me. I have kept up w/ a good hair cut and highlighting every 7 wks and my DH comes home that day for his time w/ the kids while I go out for personal care. :hyper: I may have black circles under my eyes..... BUT my hair looks good! He has also watched the kids for me while I go out for coffee w/ friends and the like. My parents are living outside the country having the time of their lives (way to go ExSAHM) and his parents are here, but much older, and they can't handle the children. So we help each other out and we stay happy that way. And he helps me around the house whenever he can. And I am sure you do use your education every single day as I do mine. You make all us SAHM's proud.

Momof2inPA: I totally agree. Would talking about shoes and men be more interesting? In fact, wasn't Miranda in one show exasperated w/ the other girls for only talking about men? She was so frustrated because every conversation they had surrounded around past relationships w/ the opposite sex. She said something like, "We are educated, beautiful, interesting women and all we can talk about is men." And she got up and walked away. I never talk about men or shoes. And Roliepoliefan: I too make a special point not to talk about my kids for your reasons, esp. to my DF's who have no children and to those who have children who are older. I do chat w/ my DF who has children the same age as my kids because we like to brainstorm w/ each other about raising the kiddies. But I agree w/ you about not inundating others w/ stories of our little darlings.

Everyone else who said such thought provoking things... I agree with you and support your decisions wholeheartedly. Isn't it great that we can make these kind of choices these days? And a lot of families in our generation are choosing to stay home, whether it be the Mom or Dad. Like Slightly Goofy said, I hope everyone is living their dreams, whatever they may be.

::yes::
 
Originally posted by BuzznBelle'smom
shortbun, your story is so SAD! If I ever do that to my kid, please shoot me!

I've read through this whole thread, and several other, simliar ones back in the dabte board days. One thing that strikes me about this disagreement on WM/SAHM is, most of us will be both, at some point. Look how many people worked after #1 but stayed home after #2, or were home for a few years and then went back when their kids were older, worked part time, etc. etc. What's really important here is, doing what's best for your family, at that point in time. I'm home now, but we're already looking at me going back when the baby hits school age (4 years). My SIL planned to be home "forever", but last year took a job in the cafeteria at her kids' school--it doesn't pay much, but the hours are perfect. Not exactly a wild career, but she's happy, that's all that counts. We've all known lousy SAHMs, great WMs, and every variation in between. But pretty much, we'll all be on both sides of the equation at some point--just something to think about!

That is sooooo true and describes most every woman I know. Isn't it great that we as women have that flexibility these days?!?

I am noticing even the employers are understanding the importance of families and they are much more willing to work w/ their employees for time off or for flexible hours. My DH does just that. His employees work around picking their kids up from school and other things of that sort. They might take off here and there to attend a school play, dental appt, or PTA meeting, but he notices how they put in the extra effort into their jobs when they are back or when they stay late to finish up. And he has a better chance of keeping his employees because the relationship works out so well for the both of them. I think we are seeing a new trend towards this flexibility. And it is so wonderful for employers to be helpful and caring and flexible w/ their employees so the children can get the best possible life. They are our future. ::yes::
 
Originally posted by Disney01
Most of my female friends and relatives who have chosen to stay at home do seem to lose some of the qualities that made them independent, interesting, fun females. They just become "Moms"-and very boring ones at that. For example, most of them state how they have to rise at 5:30 or 6:00 am to get up with the kids and don't have time to even take a shower! Well, I get up at 3:45 a.m. every morning so I have time to not only take a shower, but also fit in a long work out, before getting my son off to school. Most independent, intelligent adults can figure out how to carve 10-15 minutes to maintain basic hygiene...If they can't, then they need to take a parenting class as well as a time management class.
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Wow! You must have a very odd and limited circle of friends..:eek:
 
I am very proud that I can stay home with my son. If anyone asks what I do, my answer is always 'stay at home, but I have 2 very small part time retail jobs' Between the 2 jobs, I work, at most, 15 hours a week. SAHM is my top priority. If either of my retail jobs got in the way of being a SAHM I would quit the job instantly.
Now that my son is in first grade, I will pick up a couple day shifts at one of the jobs, but my priority is always SAHM. Like already mentioned, I am available to volunteer at school, work on PTA committees and I love every minute of it.
The jobs that I do have are both for pocket money and a discount on the things I spend my pocket money on (scrapbooking and Disney).
I knew from the time I started dating DH (I was 16) that I would ba a SAHM when the time came. I happily worked full time jobs for 10 years until ds was born. I am happier now than I ever was when I worked 40+ hours a week.
I could never think more or less of a woman because of her work choice. Whatever is best for you and your family is what should be done.
As far as the Dr Phil show yesterday, both sides said things that were over the top. I do like being the one to raise my child and not having to put him in day care. But I would never word it quite the way the SAHM on the show did (about filthy daycares etc). I do get my nails done every 2 or 3 weeks. When Sam wasnt in school he came with me, now that he is in school I can go in the morning. As for the TV being a babysitter. When he was younger, there were days I put him in his playpen and put on an Elmo tape so I could hop in the shower or change the diswasher or put away a load of clothes. Sometimes I even managed to do all 3 during that 30 minutes. But I do not put him in front of it 24/7. He is only allowed so much TV and he knows it.
He comes home from school, does his homework and is allowed 1 or 2 shows on TV. After that the TV goes off or I watch the afternoon news before DH gets home. We have dinner together (unless it is one of the 2 nights I work) and then spend the evening together.

Ok, Im done, I typed out way more than I wanted to. To all the moms, be proud of the choice you made. Enjoy your children and families, that (IMO) is the most important thing.
 
Originally posted by BethanyF
I do like being the one to raise my child and not having to put him in day care. But I would never word it quite the way the SAHM on the show did (about filthy daycares etc

Working moms are also raising their kids.:rolleyes:
 
Be the best mom you can be, whether WM or SAHM, if you create a good environment for your kids and love them they will love you back forever!!::yes::
 
I willing left my engineering job to be a SAHM after being a WM when my oldest dd was a baby (3-6 months). I now have two more kids and personally, I wouldn't change a thing. My mom had to go back to work when my parents divorced when I was 6. I was in some terrible child care situations. I'm hopeful the child care industry has gotten better, but I'm not taking any chances with my three wonderful gifts from God. On the Dr. Phil issue, I belong to a national mother's group, Mothers and More. Here is there link: http://www.mothersandmore.org/ . They took Dr. Phil to task for his last "Mommy Wars" show and are aiming to do it again. It's too bad that he's perpetuating stereotypes on both sides. But, hey, it's all about the ratings people!
 
Originally posted by momof2inPA
Let me ask my kids if they would rather spend the day with their loving mom or in daycare.

For many kids with WMs, there are other options. My siblings and I never were in daycare, or even a baby-sitter that was not a relative, but we had a WM. If my mom had asked her three kids that question modified for our own situation, it would have been, "do you want to spend the day with your loving mom or with your just as loving Grandma and Grandpa?"

Needless to see, we would have chosen Grandma and Grandpa, as we had absolutely wonderful times with them! We had great times in the afternoons and evenings with Mom and Dad, but during the day, when we weren't in school, that was Grandma and Grandpa time!

Be the best mom you can be, whether WM or SAHM, if you create a good environment for your kids and love them they will love you back forever!!
Bingo! Perfectly said!
 
I have often wondered if the heated debate between some WM and SAHM's might not be caused by guilt, misplaced though. As women we often want to be perfect, an unattainable while worthwhile endeavor. Working moms might feel guilty for being away from their children and SAHM worry about being "non productive" or whatever so they tend to try to validate their choices by downgrading others. Mostly a vocal minority IMHO. Most of us wish each other well.

Keep on dreaming and enjoy those special moments with your children wherever you find them cause they grow up so very fast. Thank heavens for grandkids, they are the dessert of life. LOL

Slightly Goofy/Linda
 
I've read thru this entire thread and although it has been a very spirited debate, there's one group who has remained unrepresented....Single Moms who work.

I'm a single mom of a 4 1/2 yr old DD. We live in a house in a very nice neighborhood filled with other children. Some of the other families have SAHMs and others have WMs. I work because I have no other choice. Oh sure, I could quit my job, stay at home and go on welfare... but that wouldn't be very responsible of me.

Yes, my daughter is in private daycare. She has been since she was 6 weeks old. However, she has thrived rather than suffered for it. She's learned about diversity in people (various other cultural backgrounds at her school). She's learned about change and how to deal with it; something we all need to do in life. She's learned life is full of experiences and basically it's what you bring to the party that makes it fun or not.

Do I wish I could stay at home w/ her? Sure I do. I spend as much time w/ her every nite when we both get home. We go over what our respective days were like, make plans for the upcoming weekends or vacations, and enjoy just being together. She helps around the house, picking up her stuff, helping me do laundry, helping redecorate. She realizes it's just us two gals in this together.

So let's hear from other single moms....
 
Originally posted by MinnieYC
For many kids with WMs, there are other options. My siblings and I never were in daycare, or even a baby-sitter that was not a relative, but we had a WM.

That's a great option when available.

On the topic of SAHM's losing their identity, my friend was recently between jobs after a move and stayed home with her children for a few months. She said she had no idea there was a whole SAHM sub-culture where moms get together in groups to have meetings, discuss topics, go out for dinner and drinks. I met her at the Y, where our kids attended a gym class while we, the SAHM's, exercised.
 
Originally posted by mb1017
I've read thru this entire thread and although it has been a very spirited debate, there's one group who has remained unrepresented....Single Moms who work.

I'm a single mom of a 4 1/2 yr old DD. We live in a house in a very nice neighborhood filled with other children. Some of the other families have SAHMs and others have WMs. I work because I have no other choice. Oh sure, I could quit my job, stay at home and go on welfare... but that wouldn't be very responsible of me.

Yes, my daughter is in private daycare. She has been since she was 6 weeks old. However, she has thrived rather than suffered for it. She's learned about diversity in people (various other cultural backgrounds at her school). She's learned about change and how to deal with it; something we all need to do in life. She's learned life is full of experiences and basically it's what you bring to the party that makes it fun or not.

Do I wish I could stay at home w/ her? Sure I do. I spend as much time w/ her every nite when we both get home. We go over what our respective days were like, make plans for the upcoming weekends or vacations, and enjoy just being together. She helps around the house, picking up her stuff, helping me do laundry, helping redecorate. She realizes it's just us two gals in this together.

So let's hear from other single moms....

I'm also a single my mom. My son will be 13 next month.:eek:
He was in day care when he was younger, but his teachers did not raise him, I did.

As parents we all do what we think is best for our children. I don't think anyone should feel guilty or insulted for being a SAHM or a working mom.
 











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