Anyone else hate the new finger thing for entrance?

[jjarman]

We have some old park hoppers, do we have to do the finger scan or does this only apply to new passes?

It is my understanding it is only the new passes and maybe the AP passes.

 

[ShariVT]

Wouldn't it be less time consuming to just ask for an ID that matches the signature on the back?

I don't want to have to carry ID with me to the park. I always have my hands with me.

 

[*Fantasia*]

That's a pain in the butt! Can I say butt here? I did do it the last time, but I didn't know what exactly it was for and I didn't even do it right, but the line was soooo long that she just went ahead and let me in! Oh well.. maybe I will learn to do it right next time.

So what next... scaning your feet size to make sure that you belong to that resort and if the feet doesn't fit the discription, even if you proceed to your room, door will not open.

 

[*Fantasia*]

I don't want to have to carry ID with me to the park. I always have my hands with me.

What's another card? Don't you carry your park ticket to get in? Where do you put it? Throw it away after you get in the entrance? Where do you put your money or your CC? What's another card (DL)?

 

[weluv M&M]

Like a previous poster I booked a trip before the change in the tickets. I have not physically received the tickets...I will get a card key at the Poly that is also my Park Hopper Pass. I confirmed with travel agent that I would still have Park Hopper Passes. Will the finger scan apply to me and my family? We are going in June.

 

[bigmerle1966]

Uh...for anyone who knows Disney and their attention to special needs guests, this should be fairly self explanatory. Disney is not going to require some sort of special documentation from a guest who has obviously lost fingers or has a condition that makes said guest unable to scan their fingers. They'll get a normal pass and there are computer overrides for the turnstyles, and other entrances such as the gates that wheelchair bound guests use. Disney's not going to create a fuss or make life difficult for your friend, you're still there for a fun vacation, not a rundown on how and why she can't use their new access passes. Please don't tell her to get a doctor's note, that would be the ultimate in overkill, and a pain in the neck for your friend!

Just trying to save on headaches. There are postings all over this board about the CM's not being consistant with how they handle things. As for her doctor all she has to do is call and they will have a letter for her within an hour, they do it all the time. Most times all she has to do is hold up her hands and there is no problem but sometimes she is hasseled big time.

 

[Lewisc]

Passes are non-transferable and the new pricing structure would otherwise encourage people to buy extra days to share or even sell. The "honor" system really wouldn't work.

The finger scanning is a lot more efficient than having CM's looking at photo id and trying to match pictures and names on tickets.

 

[DisneyWisher]

The whole purpose of the bone scan is so that other people can't use your MYW tickets, that unused days can't be sold. That no other families that gets caught using someone else's tickets will be thrown out of the parks (yes, they have asked people to leave) or worst you just spent $800 buying parkhoppers on Ebay or those stands by the road leading to Disney, to find out they have been used and you just wasted your money.

Like other AP holders, we've been doing this for years. If you are concerned about the family of 5 with 2 strollers trying to get in and they are having a hard time, well just pick a different line. We were there on March 14th (peak season) and the line took about 3-5 mins. A lot less time then waiting for Splash Mountain.

 

[DLKT]

(I'm not sure why people on this thread state that they are AP holders before giving an opinion. That's all I ever get. Is there some kind of difference or are we just being snobby?)

Anyway, I hate them.
Always have always will.
I pay the money.
I'm the guest.
Why am I being *inconvenienced* for Disney to ensure they get as much $$ as they can from people?
Why is that my problem?
Why am I automatically assumed to be a cheater as soon as I reach the entrance?

Why are 10's of millions (or whatever the annual # of ticket holders that pass through the gates) of people being inconvenienced because of a few thousands of cheaters?

And if anyone answers with "eliminating cheaters keeps the costs down for everyone" please pummel yourself into oblivion immediately while I drink my $2.50 cent watered-down 20ounce soda.

Disney sells the entrance tickets.
That's all they should care about.
That and counterfeits.
It doesn't matter where I get my ticket and from who, so long as it's a Disney ticket and Disney got the initial money then Disney should be satisfied.
If my brother wants to use it one day instead of me, it shouldn't matter so long as I paid for that day.
Anything else is a money hoarding scheme that is 100% ANTI-CUSTOMER SERVICE!
I am angry for the first 10 minutes after I enter the Parks every time for this very reason.

That's my two cents anyway.
Oh and by the way.
I was there last week and while I was waiting 15 minutes in line because of these insulting finger scanners I saw some damage being done to Disney property by some kids. Stupid stuff really. Perhaps if I wasn't so p-o'd I would have called out and told them to knock it off instead of thinking that it serves Disney right.

Wow, I guess I didn't realize how much it angered me until I started writing this!

 

[keishashadow]

During recent trip with new "scanning system", of course, I was the only one in my party having trouble with the machine. No matter how I placed my hand, it wouldn't work. I think it's because I have nerve damage and arthritis in my hands, some days they're more swollen than others. I was actually waved through by the CM.

We only noticed a delay when re-entering a park later in the day (non-early entry).

 

[estnh]

(I'm not sure why people on this thread state that they are AP holders before giving an opinion. That's all I ever get. Is there some kind of difference or are we just being snobby?) :

People aren't being snobby--they are pointing this out because annual passholders have had to use the finger scans for several years, and they are more familiar with them than most of us.

 

[kandmwedding]

It doesn't matter where I get my ticket and from who, so long as it's a Disney ticket and Disney got the initial money then Disney should be satisfied.

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Actually, it does matter. The tickets say non-transferrable on them, which means exactly that - non-transferrable. It's their park and they have the right to make up their own rules for it. If you don't like them go somewhere else!!

 

[ChuckGA]

Actually, it does matter. The tickets say non-transferrable on them, which means exactly that - non-transferrable. It's their park and they have the right to make up their own rules for it. If you don't like them go somewhere else!!

Just because it says so in a "contract" does not automatically make it legal or binding. I am not saying that the non-transferable clause was illegal as I am not a lawyer but look at other examples. I know people who get a group of families together to buy season tickets to sporting events. There is no requirement that only one family may buy the season tickets and only that family may uses them. They have bought 2 tickets to 40 games (fixed amount) and it does not matter who uses them. You can buy concert tickets for more than yourself and let others uses them. You just cannot sell them for more than face value (ie scalping).

My personal opinion is that what Disney did before (claiming non-transferable) and now (enforcing it) should be illegal. I did not purchase a right to enter the park for 10 days, I bought a ticket that has 10 days entrance on it. It should not matter who uses it because it is a fixed amount of service. Annual passes are totally different because they do not have a fixed amount of service. If Disney was so worried about the secondary market then the simple solution is to have only "Length of Stay" passes and fixed day passes that offer very little or no discount by buying more days. Now buying extra days with the idea to sell the extra days has no value as they have the same cost as a walkup for one day.

ChuckGA

 

[kandmwedding]

ChuckinGa -- I too don't know the legalities of the non-transferrable aspect of the ticket, but I have to imagine that Disney does, and they likely wouldn't print it on their tickets if it was illegal. And more to the point, it's still their rule, and it totally burns me when people feel like they can ignore rules that are in place. What makes people think they can take advantage of all the things that they like about WDW and just ignore the stuff that they think is unfair. You can't (or at least shouldn't) be able to have it both ways.


ETA: And as far as your examples of sports and concert tickets go, they really don't apply. Neither of those tickets (at least not to my knowledge) say non-transferrable on them, which means it's perfectly fine to share them as you said. But Disney's do, plain and clear.

 

[tjmw2727]

We didn't see to many problems in February - Presidents week. In fact I found the bag search held up the lines more than the biometrics.

As an AP holder, and I say this because AP holders have had the biometrics for many years and are used to it, I never minded mind the scan and don't mind it now. Even though it was new to them most of our group didn't mind either. The new turnstyles have specific directions, green and red buttions, and blinking lights they can't be much easier to use!!

One in our group preferred not to use the biometric scanner. She simply mentioned her preference to the CM and at every occasion was treated kindly and respectfully. She was asked to show her ID in order to by-pass the biometrics.

So anyone that can't or prefers not to use the biometrics should simply have ID ready and ask to bypass it. No medical notes necessary.

TJ

 

[TheRustyScupper]

1) I wish finger scans were no necessary.
2) However, too many partially used tickets are being
. . . transferred
. . . sold to local partial-ticket brokers
. . . sold on eBay
3) People brought this on by their own actions.
4) Disney has a right to make their money and not be cheated out of it. *
5) Thus, as a businessman, I do not have a problem with it.


* By selling a partially used ticket, Disney loses the new-full-price-ticket revenue. The current ticket holder makes some money, but Disney gets no additional admissions revenue. I know some will say that the new person still spends some money at WDW, but that is not the issue. When you buy a ticket, you accept the length and terms of use. Period.

 

[pdarrah]

It doesn't matter where I get my ticket and from who, so long as it's a Disney ticket and Disney got the initial money then Disney should be satisfied.

The problem for Disney wasn't just the money (although I am sure it weighed in on any decision). There was also the problem of people buying these "used" tickets (in Orlando, on ebay, etc.) and then getting to the park and finding out that they didn't get what they expected. Maybe the tickets were already used up or didn't have as many days or "plusses" as expected. Possibly even older tickets that wouldn't be good for hopping to AK. These folks would then get all upset at DISNEY (who didn't even sell them the ticket) about their problems. They expected Disney to help them even though they were bypassing Disney's rules. I suspect that it was the hassle with all of this that led to more finger scanning.

I just don't see the big deal - as someone else said, if you really hate having your fingers scanned, have your ID out and ready when you get to the turnstile and you do not have to scan at all.

pdarrah

pdarrah

 

[Lewisc]

My personal opinion is that what Disney did before (claiming non-transferable) and now (enforcing it) should be illegal. I did not purchase a right to enter the park for 10 days, I bought a ticket that has 10 days entrance on it. It should not matter who uses it because it is a fixed amount of service. Annual passes are totally different because they do not have a fixed amount of service. If Disney was so worried about the secondary market then the simple solution is to have only "Length of Stay" passes and fixed day passes that offer very little or no discount by buying more days. Now buying extra days with the idea to sell the extra days has no value as they have the same cost as a walkup for one day.

ChuckGA

Actually that's exactly what you purchased a right to enter the park for a number of days with almost no increase in price for the extra days. Disney is giving you extra days, FOR YOU TO USE for almost no extra cost. Disney certainly is giving you extra days, basically for free, for you to sell or give to friends and relatives.

Under the old system Disney sold LOS passes and fixed day, the old park hopper, passes. The old park hopper passes were informally transferable, they didn't even have your name, but were priced on a per day basis with nominal discounts for buying more days.

I'm sure it's legal, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney lawyers helped the FL legislature write the necessary legislation.

The biometric system is a lot more efficient than having CM check photo id for everyone entering.

 

[laurabelle]

If you purchase tickets before you go to Disney, do they "measure" your finger the first time you go through the turnstiles? I read somewhere that for a family, they are only tracking the tickets through one finger scan, is that true???

 

[SnoWhiteRabbit]

Just because it says so in a "contract" does not automatically make it legal or binding. I am not saying that the non-transferable clause was illegal as I am not a lawyer but look at other examples. I know people who get a group of families together to buy season tickets to sporting events. There is no requirement that only one family may buy the season tickets and only that family may uses them. They have bought 2 tickets to 40 games (fixed amount) and it does not matter who uses them. You can buy concert tickets for more than yourself and let others uses them. You just cannot sell them for more than face value (ie scalping).

My personal opinion is that what Disney did before (claiming non-transferable) and now (enforcing it) should be illegal. I did not purchase a right to enter the park for 10 days, I bought a ticket that has 10 days entrance on it. It should not matter who uses it because it is a fixed amount of service. Annual passes are totally different because they do not have a fixed amount of service. If Disney was so worried about the secondary market then the simple solution is to have only "Length of Stay" passes and fixed day passes that offer very little or no discount by buying more days. Now buying extra days with the idea to sell the extra days has no value as they have the same cost as a walkup for one day.

ChuckGA

I don't agree with your reasoning...The 10 day pass and the annual pass are not different at all. Actually, an annual pass is a fixed amount of service, too -- By definition, an annual pass is fixed at a maximum of 365 days (or 66 ; during a leap year). And that number of days is sold at a huge discount, because an individual pays less for each extra day purchased -- just like a 10 day pass. For both of these passes, day 2 is cheaper than day 1, day 3 is cheaper than day 2, and so on. I would expect Disney to prevent people from passing a day 10 or day 234 discounted admission price ticket on to someone entering the park for day 1.

"I did not purchase a right to enter the park for 10 days, I bought a ticket that has 10 days entrance on it," says you, but that's not what Disney says (and since it's their park...)

As for the simple solution....you prefer a simple solution that will cost everyone more money, rather than a more thought out plan that saves many people money in the long run. Hmmmm. Not me.

I'm glad to see Disney develop a system to control tickets better to maximize their profits. I am not angered by this at all.