Anyone concerned about the Coronavirus in WDW ?

[Brett Wyman]

Not every doctor recommends the flu shot. It's a decent tool, but doesn't guarantee you won't get the flu, since it evolves and may arrive wearing a phony mustache disguise. ;-) CDC says its 40-60% effective. Sounds a lot like 50/50 to me...

If your doctor doesn't recommend the flu-shot you need to get a new doctor.

 

[Hikergirl]

I think mutate is what viruses do not evolve. That’s why there is a new flu shot every year unlike, say, the measles where you only need the one

Yes that is why I was asking for clarification from that poster.
When I said it has evolved, I meant that is has come to exist.

 

[pezgirlroy]

We now have our first positive case in New Hampshire. Recent travel to Italy. She is doing well and in isolation at home.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I had the flu shot and got the flu. However, my temp topped off at 100.5. My colleague who didn’t get it had a fever of 103.

I think that's more like correlation does not equal causation. You don't know if the flu shot is the reason your fever didn't get as high as your colleague. My husband had a lower grade fever for longer than I did while I had a higher grade fever for longer than he did meaning his spiked but went down faster than mine. Our bodies handled it differently.

Typically speaking the flu shot might mean you have milder symptoms but it's not a hard and fast flu shot means lower grade fever anymore than it means not getting the flu shot means a hard and fast you've have a higher grade fever

 

[RamblingMad]

I think that's more like correlation does not equal causation. You don't know if the flu shot is the reason your fever didn't get as high as your colleague. My husband had a lower grade fever for longer than I did while I had a higher grade fever for longer than he did meaning his spiked but went down faster than mine. Our bodies handled it differently.

Typically speaking the flu shot might mean you have milder symptoms but it's not a hard and fast flu shot means lower grade fever anymore than it means not getting the flu shot means a hard and fast you've have a higher grade fever

Don’t you think it’s odd that folks are arguing against the flu shot while in the midst of an outbreak?

 

[buttersnix]

I think that's more like correlation does not equal causation. You don't know if the flu shot is the reason your fever didn't get as high as your colleague. My husband had a lower grade fever for longer than I did while I had a higher grade fever for longer than he did meaning his spiked but went down faster than mine. Our bodies handled it differently.

Typically speaking the flu shot might mean you have milder symptoms but it's not a hard and fast flu shot means lower grade fever anymore than it means not getting the flu shot means a hard and fast you've have a higher grade fever

Yes but most people should get it, if not at least for situations like this. It would suck to get a severe case of the flu and not get proper treatment because the hospital is overrun from coronavirus cases. Or be taking up the spot of someone else who might have gotten it instead. Or catch the coronavirus on top of the flu. Anything to reduce those odds are something people should do. Also, even if you catch a mild version of the flu, that makes you contagious and more likely to keep passing it around to people who are more likely to die from the flu. Herd immunity is important for a reason, the 40-60 percent effectiveness that was quoted above would then go up for everybody.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Don’t you think it’s odd that folks are arguing against the flu shot while in the midst of an outbreak?

I'm not arguing against it at all; that's never been in my comments in any of the threads.

I was however specifically responding to your comment regarding fever. I do think it's not accurate to make the statement you did that you got it and thus you had a lower fever and someone who didn't get it got a higher fever. That's all.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yes but most people get it, if not at least for situations like this. It would suck to get a severe case of the flu and not get proper treatment because the hospital is overrun from coronavirus cases. Or be taking up the spot of someone else who might have gotten it instead. Or catch the coronavirus on top of the flu. Anything to reduce those odds are something people should do. Also, even if you catch a mild version of the flu, that makes you contagious and more likely to keep passing it around to people who are more likely to die from the flu. Herd immunity is important for a reason, the 40-60 percent effectiveness that was quoted above would then go up for everybody.

I don't really know what you're talking about with all due respect because I've never said any of the sort; I think you and the other poster are making leaps and bounds into the deeper meaning of my statement as some way to ward away folks but really nope nadda not at all what I said. I was responding to the idea that the sole reason someone got a higher fever was because they didn't get a flu shot and the sole reason a person didn't get a higher fever was because they got a flu shot. That's a correlation does not equal causation aspect.

I specifically said on this thread too:

It (meaning an outbreak) would at least be better if it doesn't happen right now when flu season is still very active as that in itself adds a layer of burden to urgent care centers and hospitals.

Trust me I get herd immunity

 

[RamblingMad]

I'm not arguing against it at all; that's never been in my comments in any of the threads.

I was however specifically responding to your comment regarding fever. I do think it's not accurate to make the statement you did that you got it and thus you had a lower fever and someone who didn't get it got a higher fever. That's all.

Those are two data points. Folks can reach whatever conclusions they want.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Those are two data points. Folks can reach whatever conclusions they want.

At least present it in a way that you're saying it's your opinion rather than fact

Not buying the whole 'folks can reach whatever conclusions they want' but whatev

 

[Hikergirl]

Those are two data points. Folks can reach whatever conclusions they want.

More like anecdotal evidence.

 

[buttersnix]

I don't really know what you're talking about with all due respect because I've never said any of the sort; I think you and the other poster are making leaps and bounds into the deeper meaning of my statement as some way to ward away folks but really nope nadda not at all what I said. I was responding to the idea that the sole reason someone got a higher fever was because they didn't get a flu shot and the sole reason a person didn't get a higher fever was because they got a flu shot. That's a correlation does not equal causation aspect.

I specifically said on this thread too:




Trust me I get herd immunity

Sorry man, sounded negative. Pointing out something that you can't prove with something you also can't prove. I guess I didn't know what you were talking about, with all due respect.

 

[pezgirlroy]

I think what concerns me the most right at this moment is how people are reacting. We have our first positive case here in my state. It is from a recent travel to an infected region. I mentioned this on my cruise specific page (as we leave on April 25th). Someone said no it is the 4th case. It is not. It is the 4th person to be tested in the state and the 1st positive. Misinformation is spreading like wildfire about this virus.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Sorry man, sounded negative. Pointing out something that you can't prove with something you also can't prove. I guess I didn't know what you were talking about, with all due respect.

We'll chalk it up to intepretations got crossed then

**I'm a woman

 

[Brianstl]

More like anecdotal evidence.

But it is fact that the flu vaccine reduces the severity of the illness.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2017-2018/vaccine-reduces-risk-severe-illness.htm

 

[tsme]

My DH’s company just banned all company air travel and Banned all nonessential visitors to his work place. I’ve never panicked about any flu (bird flu, etc), or mad cow, or hurricanes, etc. But I’m a bit spooked over this one. Though, I’m trying to remember not to panic & keep all of the incoming information into perspective. I do have to admit (a tad shamefully), I have stocked up on TP & water & have made sure we have plenty of meat in the freezer just in case we need to stay home for a while.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

But it is fact that the flu vaccine reduces the severity of the illness.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2017-2018/vaccine-reduces-risk-severe-illness.htm

That doesn't say anything about what the PP was talking about though.

From the article:

• vaccinated adults were 59 percent less likely to have very severe illness resulting in ICU admission than those who had not been vaccinated.
• Among adults in the ICU with flu, vaccinated patients on average spent 4 fewer days in the hospital than those who were not vaccinated previously.
• Flu vaccination among adults reduced the risk of being admitted to the hospital with flu and placed in a general ward bed by 37 percent.
• Flu vaccination was even more effective in preventing the most severe forms of flu and reduced the risk of being admitted to an ICU with flu by 82 percent.

Those statements don't say "if you get the flu vaccination you'll have a lower grade fever, if you don't get the vaccine you'll have a higher grade fever". They are speaking towards hospitalizations.

 

[Brianstl]

That doesn't say anything about what the PP was talking about though.

From the article:

• vaccinated adults were 59 percent less likely to have very severe illness resulting in ICU admission than those who had not been vaccinated.
• Among adults in the ICU with flu, vaccinated patients on average spent 4 fewer days in the hospital than those who were not vaccinated previously.
• Flu vaccination among adults reduced the risk of being admitted to the hospital with flu and placed in a general ward bed by 37 percent.
• Flu vaccination was even more effective in preventing the most severe forms of flu and reduced the risk of being admitted to an ICU with flu by 82 percent.

Those statements don't say "if you get the flu vaccination you'll have a lower grade fever, if you don't get the vaccine you'll have a higher grade fever". They are speaking towards hospitalizations.

They are speaking to the severity of all symptoms. High fever is one of the things that will get you admitted to the hospital.

 

[Hikergirl]

But it is fact that the flu vaccine reduces the severity of the illness.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2017-2018/vaccine-reduces-risk-severe-illness.htm

Well coming from just one persons experience it is anecdotal evidence
One can still have a high fever with the vaccine, and one can have a lower without.
My dd had the flu, turned into pneumonia but somehow maintained a fever under 102.
She did not have the vaccine.
She also didn’t need to be hospitalized just like people who contracted the flu but had the vaccine didn’t.
That’s “my” anecdotal evidence that she had a mild case of the flu even without the vaccine.
She developed pneumonia because she couldn’t resist going out and drinking after she thought she was better, but that’s another topic.

ETA I’d still go for the 50/50 chance that the vaccine would be effective in keeping me from getting it or having mild symptoms if I do.

 

[TheFloatingBear]

I just saw a report that the CDC is not longer reporting the # of Americans tested on their COVID-19 in the US chart (I looked, it's no longer included unless they moved it). Seems like helpful information for an accurate picture of things, given all the issues there have been so far with the testing.

ETA: Hopefully if reflects some type of change in testing/reporting?