Any Reformed FP- Uber Users Who Have Embraced FP+ ?

[wisblue]

I think you're smarter than Fuzzy and the Kidd, and if you set aside your bias that moving around a lot takes a lot of time (it doesn't have to when done properly and in our case we are fast walkers with no handicaps), I think you are on to the fact that yes, we could have (and perhaps did?) accomplish an awful lot because of the way the times are structured and what our strategy was.

I'm just waiting for Fuzzy and Kidd to catch up with that - that I actually do have a very efficient touring strategy that allows us to accomplish quite a bit in spite of only being able to get 3 FP's a day for anything worth a darn while facing long lines for anything else we wanted to do.
Because the only thing they seem unable to accept is that there is a possibility that over a holiday week and the week after, there are long standby lines. Maybe because once they accept that, they know it leads to a discussion as to whether or not FP+ has anything to do with it.

OK. now you are back to your original statement that started all this in the first place. Not just long lines AFTER you've used your FPs, but long lines for ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT for your FPs.

That really begs the question that everyone is asking and you are refusing to answer. It is not a trick question. If you started the day at DAK and then left to go to MK at midday, where you used your FPs, are you saying that everything you did at DAK had long lines because you couldn't use any FPs there? Or, isn't there anything at DAK that you really wanted to do, which would make me wonder why you would go there on 3 different days?

 

[wisblue]

Sometimes when someone says that he "couldn't" do something, he doesn't mean that he literally was physically unable to do the thing.

He might mean that he chose not to do the thing because it was too difficult or unappealing.

Like if I walk by Space Mountain with my kids and there is a 100-minute stand-by wait and my kids say, "Let's ride Space Mountain!" I will say, "No, we can't right now." I don't mean we can't because we literally can't (like the park is closed or the ride is down), but I mean we can't because it just doesn't make any sense or sound like any fun.

Why is it so important for some of you on here to insist that everything people say must be taken literally, and defended? If somebody says he couldn't ride more rides, it means he felt he couldn't ride more rides. Why should he have to justify that to you?

A lot of us know exactly what he means.

Maybe, but would you agree that it would be misleading for someone to say that they COULDNT do more than 3 rides in a day without long lines when in fact they DID several more rides without long waits?

 

[Laketravis]

OK. now you are back to your original statement that started all this in the first place. Not just long lines AFTER you've used your FPs, but long lines for ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT for your FPs.

Wis, if you're going to quote me, at least quote me correctly. I said "while facing long lines for anything else we wanted to do."

 

[Suvadoo]

"Your Honor, upon examination of the tactics used, the questions asked, and the continued attempts to squelch defendant's position by the prosecution, I believe we can let the record stand that those who dare to criticize the systems, process, or intent of the WDW Corporation (commonly referred to as "Haters" by the prosecution) do not subject those who express positive views to the same level of interrogation and criticism they themselves are subjected to. In addition, your Honor, I hope the court recognizes that comments made by the defendants which may be deemed potentially negative of the WDW Corporation by the prosecution were not intended by the defendant to set the PR team into motion.

The defense rests."

On trial again today, Laketravis. I think as punishment you should be forced to ride Carousel of Progress 20 times!

 

[Laketravis]

Maybe, but would you agree that it would be misleading for someone to say that they COULDNT do more than 3 rides in a day without long lines when in fact they DID several more rides without long waits?

And would you agree that it isn't misleading at all if you understood that the several more rides we did that didn't have long waits were things that we normally would not have done, but did anyway because the things we wanted to do had long waits?

 

[Laketravis]

On trial again today, Laketravis. I think as punishment you should be forced to ride Carousel of Progress 20 times!

LOL! Yeah, court resumed and kind of caught me off guard - I needed to go somewhere this afternoon and today was the last day I could have done so but darned if I didn't get pulled off track

I suppose if I see a difference when I go to a restaurant for a steak and order (and pay the same price for) a hamburger instead because there is a sign that says "Rib Eye Wait Time: 75 minutes" some people will never understand what the heck I'm talking about.

 

[wisblue]

Wis, if you're going to quote me, at least quote me correctly. I said "while facing long lines for anything else we wanted to do."

Yes, I quoted your entire post and I saw that.

So, are you saying that there was nothing you wanted to do at DAK or that you had to wait in long lines there?

 

[wisblue]

And would you agree that it isn't misleading at all if you understood that the several more rides we did that didn't have long waits were things that we normally would not have done, but did anyway because the things we wanted to do had long waits?

I would agree if that were true. And all you have to do is tell us what else you did that day that you wouldn't normally have done, especially when you started the day at DAK.

Some of us have trouble understanding why someone would go to a park where there is nothing they want to do, and also have trouble believing that everything at DAK had long lines as soon as the park opened.

Or why someone would spend so much time avoiding a simple direct question unless the answer would present you in a bad light.

 

[Laketravis]

So, are you saying that there was nothing you wanted to do at DAK or that you had to wait in long lines there?

DAK? Did I specifically refer to Animal Kingdom?

I think most people agree there are minimal wait issues with Animal Kingdom. Of all the parks, it's the least significant in terms of wait times and FP.

I also think most people would agree they wouldn't want to go to Animal Kingdom every day simply because it's the park with minimal wait issues.

Epcot? Hollywood Studios? There are issues there. And that's half of WDW.

MK? There can often be issues there, the lack of tiering there helps to mitigate those issues but doesn't eliminate them.

 

[HollieS]

I think you're smarter than Fuzzy and the Kidd, and if you set aside your bias that moving around a lot takes a lot of time (it doesn't have to when done properly and in our case we are fast walkers with no handicaps), I think you are on to the fact that yes, we could have (and perhaps did?) accomplish an awful lot because of the way the times are structured and what our strategy was.

I'm just waiting for Fuzzy and Kidd to catch up with that - that I actually do have a very efficient touring strategy that allows us to accomplish quite a bit in spite of only being able to get 3 FP's a day for anything worth a darn while facing long lines for anything else we wanted to do.

Because the only thing they seem unable to accept is that there is a possibility that over a holiday week and the week after, there are long standby lines. Maybe because once they accept that, they know it leads to a discussion as to whether or not FP+ has anything to do with it.

I have twins that will be just shy of two when we go I'm not anticipating us moving any where quickly. We chose BLT specifically to reduce the amount of times we'll have to use the bus/monorail.

I'm glad to hear you're not sitting around wasting time waiting for FP+ windows to open.

 

[Laketravis]

Some of us have trouble understanding why someone would go to a park where there is nothing they want to do, and also have trouble believing that everything at DAK had long lines as soon as the park opened.

The reason you have trouble with that is because you think there is nothing I want to do at AK and then try to associate that park with my comment about long lines when you know as well as anyone else AK is the least of the concerns out of the four parks.

Hey Wis - do you see any FP reservations on my plan for AK? That's because you don't need them if you go early in the morning. Do you see AK on any of my afternoon plans? That's because there's no reason to waste those three FP's a day on AK - just go in the mornings.

AK is definitely the exception. But you already knew that, right?

 

[wisblue]

DAK? Did I specifically refer to Animal Kingdom?

I think most people agree there are minimal wait issues with Animal Kingdom. Of all the parks, it's the least significant in terms of wait times and FP.

I also think most people would agree they wouldn't want to go to Animal Kingdom every day simply because it's the park with minimal wait issues.

Epcot? Hollywood Studios? There are issues there. And that's half of WDW.

MK? There can often be issues there, the lack of tiering there helps to mitigate those issues but doesn't eliminate them.

The spreadsheet you posted said that on Tuesday, November 25 you started the day at DAK and then went to MK at midday and you used your 3 FPs there. A couple of previous posters picked this day for you to use as an example of how you were only able to do 3 things without long waits.

Are you now saying that on that day you WERE able to do more than 3 things you wanted to do without long waits?

Or are you going to keep dodging a simple question by drifting off to other subjects?

 

[Laketravis]

The spreadsheet you posted said that on Tuesday, November 25 you started the day at DAK and then went to MK at midday and you used your 3 FPs there. A couple of previous posters picked this day for you to use as an example of how you were only able to do 3 things without long waits.

Are you now saying that on that day you WERE able to do more than 3 things you wanted to do without long waits?

Or are you going to keep dodging a simple question by drifting off to other subjects?

No, there were long waits in MK. I think at this point I should have scheduled toilet breaks so that it would be clear to everyone when I also took a dump and I could answer these interrogations correctly.

 

[HollieS]

LT- How difficult was it to get those FP+ times back to back. Was this a midnight at day 60 plan? a spend hours moving stuff around plan? A 30 day plan?


minus park hopping like a rabbit it is similar to the strat I want to use in the parks

 

[Laketravis]

Or are you going to keep dodging a simple question by drifting off to other subjects?

Maybe the three of you should step back and look at what's transpiring before you accuse me of drifting off.

 

[wisblue]

The reason you have trouble with that is because you think there is nothing I want to do at AK and then try to associate that park with my comment about long lines when you know as well as anyone else AK is the least of the concerns out of the four parks.

Hey Wis - do you see any FP reservations on my plan for AK? That's because you don't need them if you go early in the morning. Do you see AK on any of my afternoon plans? That's because there's no reason to waste those three FP's a day on AK - just go in the mornings.

AK is definitely the exception. But you already knew that, right?

OK, say you are now saying that you can do more than 3 things in day that you want to do without long lines if you start the day at DAK.

So, then, what about Monday, November 24 where your spreadsheet says that you started the day at Epcot and used your FPs at DHS? Are you saying that you weren't able to do anything that you wanted to do at Epcot that morning without a long wait? I know that on a Saturday a few weeks before your trip we arrived at Epcot at opening and did Soarin, TT, Mission Space, Spaceship Earth, Nemo (with some time looking at the animals in there), and Figment, all before 11 AM and all without FPs. Were you not able to do any of those things without long waits, or do all of those fall into the category of things you don't want to do?

 

[wisblue]

No, there were long waits in MK. I think at this point I should have scheduled toilet breaks so that it would be clear to everyone when I also took a dump and I could answer these interrogations correctly.

I didn't say more than 3 things at MK, I said more than 3 things that day. That day should include whatever you did at DAK in the morning.

 

[HollieS]

No, there were long waits in MK. I think at this point I should have scheduled toilet breaks so that it would be clear to everyone when I also took a dump and I could answer these interrogations correctly.

To be fair there is something a little *special* about people planning out disney trips, who seek out disney forums to do so, and spend a day reading posts in an "attractions and strategies" thread. I'm sure someone WOULD find that helpful, but only if you also listed any and all snack stops.

 

[Laketravis]

LT- How difficult was it to get those FP+ times back to back. Was this a midnight at day 60 plan? a spend hours moving stuff around plan? A 30 day plan?


minus park hopping like a rabbit it is similar to the strat I want to use in the parks

That's a great question and I don't think it's off topic at all.

Obviously, MDE doesn't present those times right off the bat. I would get weird stuff like 12:40-1:40 for one and 3:45-4:45 for another and, well, you know....

What I found was that eventually, by manipulating the times of one the available times for the others would start to change (sometimes in apparent relation to the time brackets of your manipulated choice) and you could get the times you wanted for the others.

It was almost like trying to solve a Rubik's cube, but here's the deal:

I always shot for top of the hour when possible. It just fit my plans better and was easier to remember. Second option would be bottom of the hour.

I would then try to change one time given to as close to the top of an hour as possible, as far away from the other two times already provided as possible.

Once I was able to do that, the time choices for the other two would often match the schema (top of the hour). If not, I would pick another of the three and manipulate it the same way. Eventually, I could get all three to be something like:

A: 2-3
B: 3-4
C: 4-5

I also did ADR's first (obviously, since they could be done several months prior) and worked the FP's around that. I also tried to keep the FP's in a logical park-walking sequence, like from SM to HM to BTMR, or vice-versa.

Edit: And when I say MDE, I mean both online and the app. But I prefer online because manipulations like that can be done much quicker. In regards to how much time it took - the longest was figuring that out. I think once you see what I'm talking about, it's a 10 minute deal for each day. I started planning these 60 days out but obviously had to make some adjustments when park hours changed and turned some empty-park morning ADR's into the-park-is-open ADR's, for instance).

 

[Laketravis]

I didn't say more than 3 things at MK, I said more than 3 things that day. That day should include whatever you did at DAK in the morning.

Somehow I sense that's leading to a "But you got stuff done at AK in the morning so what you couldn't do at MK in the evening is irrelevant".