any idea of what an Air Traffic Controller makes?

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Curious because the house I was at last night was owned by one. It was an almost new, beautiful house in NJ. Worth about 700K. ( the house next door was for sale and had a flier... similar houses ) I realize that there could be lots of factors involved besides salary, but I know also, that the wife doesn't work.

Am I just way underestimating the salary of an air traffic controller? I would have guessed 80K - 110K.
 
You may be just a little low, but not too much... From http://www.collegegrad.com/careers/trans02.shtml:

Air traffic controllers earn relatively high pay and have good benefits. Median annual earnings of air traffic controllers in May 2004 were $102,030. The middle 50 percent earned between $78,170 and $126,260. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $57,720, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $139,210.

The average annual salary, excluding overtime earnings, for air traffic controllers in the Federal Government—which employs 90 percent of the total—in nonsupervisory, supervisory, and managerial positions was $106,380 in May 2004. The Air Traffic Control pay system classifies each air traffic facility into one of eight levels with corresponding pay bands. Under this pay system, controllers’ salaries are determined by the rating of the facility. The higher the rating, the higher the controller’s salary and the greater the demand on the controller’s judgment, skill, and decision making ability.

Depending on length of service, air traffic controllers receive 13 to 26 days of paid vacation and 13 days of paid sick leave each year, in addition to life insurance and health benefits. Controllers also can retire at an earlier age and with fewer years of service than other Federal employees. Air traffic controllers are eligible to retire at age 50 with 20 years of service as an active air traffic controller or after 25 years of active service at any age. There is a mandatory retirement age of 56 for controllers who manage air traffic. However, Federal law provides for exemptions to the mandatory age of 56, up to age 61, for controllers having exceptional skills and experience.

Please note that the earnings and salary data listed here is usually from government sources and may be dated, so please make adjustments accordingly.
These are 2004 numbers. Federal employees in the General Schedule (GS) pay system received a raise in salary rates in January 2005 and another in January 2006. A few percentage points in each year - the actual amount varied depending on location. I don't know if the Controllers' pay rates were increased then or not.
 
My aunt's an Air Traffic Controller for almost 10 years at John Wayne Airport in CA. She makes a good salary, lives in a very nice townhouse with my uncle in an upscale part of CA. She works all kinds of crazy shifts though and sometimes leaves for work at 3 or 4am! She also gets to fly for free and has been anywhere and everywhere!
 

They deserve every cent they make! And don't go by the house cost. 700K here in the Northeast isn't that big a deal anymore. A tiny crackerbox cape cod with no land goes for 400K in my neck of the woods.
 
They say an air traffic controller has the toughest and the most stressful job in the world! :crazy:
 
I was a controller for 12 years. I retired back in 2001 on disability. My husband is still a controller in Miami--18 years. I will see if I can find the pay scale I had saved on my computer later. I don't have time to search right now. the controllers are not paid under the GS. That changed with the contract that went into effect in I think 2000. Unfortunately there has been a problem with the new contract. Negotiations broke off, it went to Congress, was kicked back and now the FAA imposed THEIR contract in early June. Unfortunately that contract included a 30% pay cut for any new controllers, no higher pay for those trying to check out right now, and many other things.

As far as flying free, we used to could fly in the jump seat in the cockpit if it were available. That ended in 1999. We have never been able to actually fly free with our families. Also the jump seat was only to be used as training and not to coincide with a vacation...... :rolleyes: . Feel free to PM me as I don't feel comfortable discussing my previous salary or my husband's current.
 
My Husband is an Air Traffic Controller in Boston at Logan Airport. Luckily, he is a VERY calm man... I think it takes a special breed to do that job. Previous poster was right on about contract negotionations.

Air Traffic controllers either work for the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration, Government) and have to be hired before the age of 30, and cannot work air traffic past the age of 56...although they can get a waiver beyond 56. They cannot work more than 10 hr shifts, or more than six days in a row and anytime they are prescribed medication they have to notify the flight surgeon to make sure it is okay. They cannot take any cold medication, etc. Or they could work for a private (contract tower)

They do not fly for free, we pay the same price everyone else does. They used to fly for free pre Sept.11 and fly in the "jump seat" in the cockpit for familiarization, but due to regulations not letting non essential personnel into the cockpit that has been discontinued. They had to be in a suit & tie, not have any facial hair, etc..

I believe annual salary is based on a few things. One is the time of service that the controller has put in, another is the level of the facility (how much air traffic the airport does). Don't feel comfortable disclosing his salary, but I would say its safe to guess that someone that has been a controller for 15 yrs working in a upper level facility before taxes averages about $130,000.

We have a nice home, but were only able to buy it because we bought our previous house when the market was low, and sold it when it was high.

Please do not take this in the wrong context... but..If anyone thinks controllers are overpaid give it another thought at 40,000 ft. :)

Hope I answered all of your questions... (I had my husband read this to make sure I gave correct info.) :teeth:
 
Yes eclectics is right- the price of a home in the Norhteast has no bearing on income level. Anyone can apply for a mortgage on a half a million dollar crackerbox and pay through the nose every month. Luckily air is still free because that same family will probably have to scale down their food choices(no more filet mignon) to pay that mortgage. Oh and now that interest rates are rising, that same family who probably took out an adjustable rate mortgage will suffer even more.

A side not to say I think the real estate market in the northeast is a joke- townhouses for 400,000 with 3 bedrooms. I keep looking at what I could buy in North Carolina and dream of day we can leave this area. We could sell this house and live like kings!

But for the OP I think they make around 100,000 give or take.
 
I was reading about the salary dispute that MOM21 mentioned. According to the article, the median salary is currently $128K and the new contract will up it to $140 over a certain period of years. I work for the Dept of Interior and one of the guys who used to work with us had previously been a controller, but got stupid and walked out during the strike in 1981. He was fired, waited years to get back with the government (but still could not be controller), and, as soon as the ban on being reinstated as an air traffic controller was lifted, applied and was rehired. He loved the job and definitely regretted his decision to strike in 1981.

Sharon
 
DisneyMomOK said:
I was reading about the salary dispute that MOM21 mentioned. According to the article, the median salary is currently $128K and the new contract will up it to $140 over a certain period of years. I work for the Dept of Interior and one of the guys who used to work with us had previously been a controller, but got stupid and walked out during the strike in 1981. He was fired, waited years to get back with the government (but still could not be controller), and, as soon as the ban on being reinstated as an air traffic controller was lifted, applied and was rehired. He loved the job and definitely regretted his decision to strike in 1981.

Sharon

Curious if you still have the article you read. Nothing I have read from any source, including FAA, says anything except pay cuts. Nothing about a raise. Only a freeze of current pay. No cost of living or anything for years. I watched th congressional hearings on CSPAN. Also have read many articles that compare and contrast NATCA's proposal with FAA. All have a pay cut. And actually, pay is a small part of the dispute. OF course depending on the source most have been slanted one way or another. I am reading all I can to get the real deal. I am sure my hubby will be bringing home the contract as soon as it is distributed, but I am curious now. Thanks.
 
I don't have a clue as to the salary, but even if they did buy the house new for close to what the other house is selling for, who knows what they bought and sold their last house for and the one(s) before that. They probably had a lot of equity from other houses that they could use towards this house. You can't just look at the one house.

I know for us personally, we bought our house for enough $, but it's really appreciated and is worth way more than we bought it for. If we were first time home buyers (this is our third home, but the others didn't help us equity-wise that much) we would not be able to afford it (I'm also a SAHM) and it could easily be the same way with this person.
 
not sure.... but they love their kids
 
DisneyMomOK said:
I was reading about the salary dispute that MOM21 mentioned. According to the article, the median salary is currently $128K and the new contract will up it to $140 over a certain period of years. I work for the Dept of Interior and one of the guys who used to work with us had previously been a controller, but got stupid and walked out during the strike in 1981. He was fired, waited years to get back with the government (but still could not be controller), and, as soon as the ban on being reinstated as an air traffic controller was lifted, applied and was rehired. He loved the job and definitely regretted his decision to strike in 1981.

Sharon

Those figures are incorrect....the FAA wants to freeze controller salaries so there will be none of the annual cost of living raises that all other govt. employees get.

If you would like to read more about what is gong on with the FAA and controllers go to http://www.fairfaa.com/default1.asp
 


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