Any adults who were homeschooled?

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Look it don't take rocket science ta figure dis out. There are some good teachers and some bad ones in school. There are some parents qualified to home school and some that are not.

Overall, I think da kid is gonna have a better chance in school. A different teacher each year odds are they are gonna get a few good ones. The parents should be lookin at the resume of the teacher , and meetin em and if they don't pass the muster , then ask for a different teacher. Unfortunately, if the mom ain't good (but thinks she is) then there ain't nothing that can be done for dat poor kid. Mom's ought to consider what kind of students they were and what their educational level is. Ask long and hard , the reasons for homeschoolin and if they are truely qualified to teach. It's there own kid they are shortchangin if they are wrong.

I got no stats, but , I question if homeschooled kids are gonna get into top colleges. But, there is a lot of kids goin to school, who ain't gonna make it either.

Kids ain't got it easy.

It is difficult to understand your post.

My only comment is that all of the public/private school certified teachers that I have meant. Not a single one of them teaches a class without planning for it. Depending on the subject, they will review them material as little or as much as necessary so that they are fresh on the topic and able to teach it proeprly.

There are so many resources for homeschoolers that it does not take rocket science to be able to teach a child.

And there is such a thing as side by side learning. It doesn't harm a child to have their teacher learning right along with them if they were studying a new or unfamiliar subject such as the crusades or trigonometry.

The argument that a parent may be unqualified is a false argument as it implies that something special is required for a child to learn. Excellent resources is all one needs coupled with some degree of patience.

 

[bumbershoot]

If homeschooled, can these kids go to 'any' college or do some colleges not accept them...

Think of a college, go to their website, check out the info they have for homeschool transcripts/applications. It'll set your mind at ease.

Harvard has even had special articles in their student paper about their homeschooled students!

Duke has a lovely page on their admissions webpage for homeschoolers. Which is good, b/c if DS can get in, my brother and SIL have promised to put him through (both got undergrad degrees there, met there (while on line for basketball tickets), SIL got her law degree there).

I worked a summer in the Admissions office at my small university, and I still remember working on a project involving applications, sitting in the sun, looking at these big transcripts of homeschoolers! It was eye-opening!

the only university I've heard of having a problem was UNC Chapel Hill, where my uncle is (or was, he might have retired) a prof...he wouldn't even look at h'school applications for his dept, b/c he didn't want to read that much. Pretty sad, in my opinion, and my dad has had many arguments about it with him (b/c my dad worked at UC Santa Cruz which, until a few years ago, didn't have normal grades and gave big written transcripts like a homeschooler would have, and my uncle wouldn't look at UCSC applicants either for his graduate program). But that's the only one I've noticed that has problems with applications.



I have known 3 older teen kids who were homeschooled. The third is actually one of DS's gymnastics teachers at the YMCA. She's a lovely person, though that's all I know about her. The other two are well rounded, intelligent, can talk to ANYONE (not just kids in their own grade), people, and both were accepted into WA's Running Start program, where you do the first 2 years of college in your last two years of high school education.

My school wanted an "official" transcript---in other ones, one NOT made by my parents. That was impossible for us. That didn't mean it was impossible for me to get into the school. I just had to take an alternative route. But that alternative route saved me $50,000, so I don't regret it

Which college?

 

[bumbershoot]

I forgot to mention...one of the things I've noticed about kids who are homeschooled in non-secluded environments...the kids can talk to ANYONE. It was one of the things that made me so excited about h'schooling my son, b/c I'm painfully shy and can barely talk, in some cases, to people my own age, let alone younger or older. And, by the way, I was public schooled all the way through, and that only made my natural shyness worse.

My son can talk to anyone. And that will serve him far better in college and "life" than kids who are only used to talking to kids their exact same age. IMO.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

To get around transcript issues, some parents will enroll with an umbrella school who maintains the records and transcripts. In Florida these are "600" schools aka private schools and their transcripts are just as good as anyone elses.

There are pros and cons to this.

Pros: Records maintenance and support and often some classes you can take.

Cons: In Florida, you become ineligible to participate in extra-curricular activities or specific classes. This is b/c you are not registered with the county and legally are a private school student.

I likely will not choose this route.

 

[Buckalew11]

I probably at one could have posted a thread like this. I remember wondering just how effective HSing could be.
Then one day in 2008, my soon to be high school freshman came to me and asked if we'd homeschool her. This is something I never, ever thought I'd do. But I told her we'd try it and we'd take it semester by semester.

Homeschooling, to me, is one of the "best kept secrets". Our experience with it has been absolutely wonderful. My DD (now a sophomore) will be more than prepared for college. What she does is actually referred to as independant study. She will also do duel enrollment either starting in January or next fall. We're the type that are very structured, I keep track of everything and are umbrellaed with a private school who will help me take our records and put together a transcript for college.

She plans on attending one of the south's best liberal arts colleges. We went over and visited this past spring just to make sure we're on track with what she needs to attend there. The person we visited with was very positive about homeschooling and said the college actually has quite a few HSers and they do very well. DD would like to be an orthopedic surgeon or something in sports medicine (physical therapist, trainer etc.). So, we'll see how it goes for her.

One of the students at the college said to me last year when he learned that she was a HSer, "Well, all the kids in my classes that were homeschooled are really smart."

I just think homeschooling is the neatest thing since sliced bread. If I had only known about it sooner.

 

[SydSim]

I used to work with an RN who was homeschooled her entire life. She didn't take the SAT's and got her associates degree from a community college, then finished up her Bachelor's at a four year college. I say used to work with her because she no longer works at my hospital - she is off training to become a midwife! She is the nicest girl there is, too.

 

[metime]

Look it don't take rocket science ta figure dis out. There are some good teachers and some bad ones in school. There are some parents qualified to home school and some that are not.

Overall, I think da kid is gonna have a better chance in school. A different teacher each year odds are they are gonna get a few good ones. The parents should be lookin at the resume of the teacher , and meetin em and if they don't pass the muster , then ask for a different teacher. Unfortunately, if the mom ain't good (but thinks she is) then there ain't nothing that can be done for dat poor kid. Mom's ought to consider what kind of students they were and what their educational level is. Ask long and hard , the reasons for homeschoolin and if they are truely qualified to teach. It's there own kid they are shortchangin if they are wrong.

I got no stats, but , I question if homeschooled kids are gonna get into top colleges. But, there is a lot of kids goin to school, who ain't gonna make it either.

Kids ain't got it easy.

Actually there aren't many qualifications and there doesn't need to be. I didn't need a degree to teach my children to tie their shoes or ride a bike, same thing with reading and writing and arithmetic.

In fact, out of all my homeschooling friends I think I am the only one who has not been to college. I am the founder and coordinator of our local group and the person the school system goes to with homeschooling questions. The school system here actually gives out my phone number to those looking to homeschool. Oh and I would classify myself as a terrible student in public school, it doesn't mean I can't learn or that I am not capable it just means public school was not for me.

I agree that parents should get to read the resume of their child's teacher but that will never happen as that is not made public inforamtion. As I said earlier, living in MA, there are kids who get in to Harvard and from what I hear that isn’t an easy feat. I was actually involved in a study and interviewed by their education department about homeschooling and they view homeschooling as a very viable educational option.


http://www.homeschool.com/artman/publish/High_School/College_Admissions_for_Homeschoolers.shtml

here is a good website with more information on the top colleges and their admission policies.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

Wow! I opened this thread because I was genuinely interested to hear more about this subject. I wanted to know how it would work for college etc. How disenheartening to read responses that are clearly just nasty and defensive.
The OP stated her experiences. That is all she had to go on. She was asking people who might have known differently to tell her about it. Most of the responses were just telling her that what the kids learn in PS is a bunch of junk and that they are superior. That is just sad.

I don't think being shocked that a child that is 11 years old doesn't know the months of the year makes the OP judgemental. Sorry but I along with many others would find it odd too. Of course if there was a learning disability that could explain it but overall without even a kindergarten song I would venture that a child that age would know something like that. Sort of like knowing the days of the week. It doesn't mean anything other than I personally consider that to be just something you pick up.

Some people actually did give some good info and that was great to read about. Thank you for sharing that. Maybe it will encourage more people who are nervous about doing it even if it is best for their child. That is what I think the OP was looking for. Real life success stories to hear about (even if she knows that statistically someone had to be successful) so she can explore all the options for her own children.
Thank you to all who really took the time and taught me some things today.

 

[vettechick99]

Wow! I opened this thread because I was genuinely interested to hear more about this subject. I wanted to know how it would work for college etc. How disenheartening to read responses that are clearly just nasty and defensive.
The OP stated her experiences. That is all she had to go on. She was asking people who might have known differently to tell her about it. Most of the responses were just telling her that what the kids learn in PS is a bunch of junk and that they are superior. That is just sad.

I don't think being shocked that a child that is 11 years old doesn't know the months of the year makes the OP judgemental. Sorry but I along with many others would find it odd too. Of course if there was a learning disability that could explain it but overall without even a kindergarten song I would venture that a child that age would know something like that. Sort of like knowing the days of the week. It doesn't mean anything other than I personally consider that to be just something you pick up.

Some people actually did give some good info and that was great to read about. Thank you for sharing that. Maybe it will encourage more people who are nervous about doing it even if it is best for their child. That is what I think the OP was looking for. Real life success stories to hear about (even if she knows that statistically someone had to be successful) so she can explore all the options for her own children.
Thank you to all who really took the time and taught me some things today.

 

[metime]

I don't ever think bashing public schools is really needed to explain the positives in homeschooling. I also think there are some great public schools out there. I know homeschoolers who homeschool one and send 2 others to public school. It should be based on the needs of the child and the ideals of the parents.

My youngest sister is a public schooled student and is flying to Washington D.C. as we speak to participate in the page program. Public school has been a successful place for her knowing my mother if she would have homeschooled it would have been a disaster.

With the number of homeschoolers I meet, given my standing in the local homeschooling community, I see homeschooling families and wonder how they get along but I also know people think the same thing of me. I know what works for me most likely would not work for others.

I am just glad that it is an option because it needs to be. Everyone has the right to a free and public education and everyone has the right to direct their child's education the way they see fit.

Also I didn't see much bashing of public schools going on, maybe one post put nothing to be real shocked about. Most of the posters are simply relating their positive HS experiences as far as I can tell.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Wow! I opened this thread because I was genuinely interested to hear more about this subject. I wanted to know how it would work for college etc. How disenheartening to read responses that are clearly just nasty and defensive.

I'm not seeing the nastiness that you see.

However to some, the OP was being offensive in the manner in which she asked her question which was to presume the worst instead of expect the best.

It wouldnt' go over well for a homeschooler to post a similar thread about public schools and comment on only the one negative public schooler they know and then wonder if anyone succeeds in public school.

I don't believe the OP meant any harm nor did any of those who responded. But there are better ways to ask a question. There was a homeschooling question several weeks ago in which the OP was genuinely curious. There were no biases present in her question. If biases are present in the inquiry, it isn't fair to expect those who are knowledgable on the subject to not correct those biases.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't ever think bashing public schools is really needed to explain the positives in homeschooling.

***

Everyone has the right to a free and public education and everyone has the right to direct their child's education the way they see fit.

Great post--especially these two points (well--three points).

 

[raysnkaysmom]

Wow! I opened this thread because I was genuinely interested to hear more about this subject. I wanted to know how it would work for college etc. How disenheartening to read responses that are clearly just nasty and defensive.
The OP stated her experiences. That is all she had to go on. She was asking people who might have known differently to tell her about it. Most of the responses were just telling her that what the kids learn in PS is a bunch of junk and that they are superior. That is just sad.

I don't think being shocked that a child that is 11 years old doesn't know the months of the year makes the OP judgemental. Sorry but I along with many others would find it odd too. Of course if there was a learning disability that could explain it but overall without even a kindergarten song I would venture that a child that age would know something like that. Sort of like knowing the days of the week. It doesn't mean anything other than I personally consider that to be just something you pick up.

Some people actually did give some good info and that was great to read about. Thank you for sharing that. Maybe it will encourage more people who are nervous about doing it even if it is best for their child. That is what I think the OP was looking for. Real life success stories to hear about (even if she knows that statistically someone had to be successful) so she can explore all the options for her own children.
Thank you to all who really took the time and taught me some things today.

thank you....I was just wanting the info too!!

I don't ever think bashing public schools is really needed to explain the positives in homeschooling. I also think there are some great public schools out there. I know homeschoolers who homeschool one and send 2 others to public school. It should be based on the needs of the child and the ideals of the parents.

My youngest sister is a public schooled student and is flying to Washington D.C. as we speak to participate in the page program. Public school has been a successful place for her knowing my mother if she would have homeschooled it would have been a disaster.

With the number of homeschoolers I meet, given my standing in the local homeschooling community, I see homeschooling families and wonder how they get along but I also know people think the same thing of me. I know what works for me most likely would not work for others.

I am just glad that it is an option because it needs to be. Everyone has the right to a free and public education and everyone has the right to direct their child's education the way they see fit.

 

[LisaR]

Wow! I opened this thread because I was genuinely interested to hear more about this subject. I wanted to know how it would work for college etc. How disenheartening to read responses that are clearly just nasty and defensive.
The OP stated her experiences. That is all she had to go on. She was asking people who might have known differently to tell her about it. Most of the responses were just telling her that what the kids learn in PS is a bunch of junk and that they are superior. That is just sad.

I don't think being shocked that a child that is 11 years old doesn't know the months of the year makes the OP judgemental. Sorry but I along with many others would find it odd too. Of course if there was a learning disability that could explain it but overall without even a kindergarten song I would venture that a child that age would know something like that. Sort of like knowing the days of the week. It doesn't mean anything other than I personally consider that to be just something you pick up.

Some people actually did give some good info and that was great to read about. Thank you for sharing that. Maybe it will encourage more people who are nervous about doing it even if it is best for their child. That is what I think the OP was looking for. Real life success stories to hear about (even if she knows that statistically someone had to be successful) so she can explore all the options for her own children.
Thank you to all who really took the time and taught me some things today.

You do realize that the OP didn't come on here and say, "I am looking to homeschool my kids and I would like to get some information. I am concerned if they will be able to get into college or if homeschooling will hinder them."

If that question was asked, I would certainly think the OP was asking for her own knowledge and benefit. Unfortunately, that wasn't the way I read her post. I read her post as being awfully judgmental toward an 11 y/o that couldn't say the months of the year in order, and based on that, she wonders if there are any success stories. One would never assume failure of all public school kids based on one child's knowledge.

I do apologize if I came off sounding harsh. My 14 y/o was applying for a volunteer position yesterday and this lady berated her because she is homeschooled. It gets old constantly defending our lifestyle. The funny thing is, my daughter needs the community service hours for a dual enrolled class she is taking at the college. Most of the lecturing centered around the fact that this lady thought my DD would never be able to get into college because I have "neglected her by homeschooling." Ummmm.......she is 14 and already taking college classes. I think it is safe to say we have that base covered. So, yeah, I have been rather defensive this weekend. I am sorry. I will bow out now.

 

[metime]

My 9 year old is the most offended by people questioning her homeschooling and she ends up giving really snarky answers when people ask.

She'll mess with them and say "School, what is that? I was just let out of the attic yesterday."

Or we look at each other and go "Shoot! I knew there was something we were forgetting today"

Or sometimes she'll say "I already graduated, I just have a growing issue but thanks for pointing out my difference"


I think the OP was open minded instead of starting the thread with an intent on judging homeschooling. There are some sensative homeschoolers but I am not one of them.

 

[npmommie]

Actually there aren't many qualifications and there doesn't need to be. I didn't need a degree to teach my children to tie their shoes or ride a bike, same thing with reading and writing and arithmetic.

In fact, out of all my homeschooling friends I think I am the only one who has not been to college. I am the founder and coordinator of our local group and the person the school system goes to with homeschooling questions. The school system here actually gives out my phone number to those looking to homeschool. Oh and I would classify myself as a terrible student in public school, it doesn't mean I can't learn or that I am not capable it just means public school was not for me.

I agree that parents should get to read the resume of their child's teacher but that will never happen as that is not made public inforamtion. As I said earlier, living in MA, there are kids who get in to Harvard and from what I hear that isn’t an easy feat. I was actually involved in a study and interviewed by their education department about homeschooling and they view homeschooling as a very viable educational option.


http://www.homeschool.com/artman/publish/High_School/College_Admissions_for_Homeschoolers.shtml

here is a good website with more information on the top colleges and their admission policies.

what part of MA are you in? are you on the MHLA yahoo group?

 

[Mouse House Mama]

I'm not seeing the nastiness that you see.

However to some, the OP was being offensive in the manner in which she asked her question which was to presume the worst instead of expect the best.

It wouldnt' go over well for a homeschooler to post a similar thread about public schools and comment on only the one negative public schooler they know and then wonder if anyone succeeds in public school.
I don't believe the OP meant any harm nor did any of those who responded. But there are better ways to ask a question. There was a homeschooling question several weeks ago in which the OP was genuinely curious. There were no biases present in her question. If biases are present in the inquiry, it isn't fair to expect those who are knowledgable on the subject to not correct those biases.

I bolded because there were plenty of rude comments made on this thread about the "terrible" public schools.

You do realize that the OP didn't come on here and say, "I am looking to homeschool my kids and I would like to get some information. I am concerned if they will be able to get into college or if homeschooling will hinder them."

If that question was asked, I would certainly think the OP was asking for her own knowledge and benefit. Unfortunately, that wasn't the way I read her post. I read her post as being awfully judgmental toward an 11 y/o that couldn't say the months of the year in order, and based on that, she wonders if there are any success stories. One would never assume failure of all public school kids based on one child's knowledge.
I do apologize if I came off sounding harsh. My 14 y/o was applying for a volunteer position yesterday and this lady berated her because she is homeschooled. It gets old constantly defending our lifestyle. The funny thing is, my daughter needs the community service hours for a dual enrolled class she is taking at the college. Most of the lecturing centered around the fact that this lady thought my DD would never be able to get into college because I have "neglected her by homeschooling." Ummmm.......she is 14 and already taking college classes. I think it is safe to say we have that base covered. So, yeah, I have been rather defensive this weekend. I am sorry. I will bow out now.

I think the OP clarified that her ONLY experience with HS children have given her the impression that these particular children were not where they should be. Based on what she posted I can understand that. If the only PS schooled children you ever met seemed lacking of basic skills wouldn't you wonder?

My 9 year old is the most offended by people questioning her homeschooling and she ends up giving really snarky answers when people ask.
She'll mess with them and say "School, what is that? I was just let out of the attic yesterday."

Or we look at each other and go "Shoot! I knew there was something we were forgetting today"

Or sometimes she'll say "I already graduated, I just have a growing issue but thanks for pointing out my difference"


I think the OP was open minded instead of starting the thread with an intent on judging homeschooling. There are some sensative homeschoolers but I am not one of them.

Sorry but that is just plain rude. I don't condone peole being nasty to my children but I certainly don't find it to be a great quality in being nasty to someone who is asking a question. I too have asked questions that may seem rude to a HS but I really had no idea and was trying to learn. I do think that people who make comments are way out of line though so I can understand your annoyance at that.


FTR- I think HS can be great as long the child's needs are met.

 

[MiniGirl]

I think the average person knows more adult homeschoolers than they may realize. I may know where someone went to college or see their degree on a wall, but most people do not hang up high school diplomas or talk about their high school experience. Unless the topic comes up, I have no idea if the adult I'm dealing with went to public school, private school, or was homeschooled. I think most of us are the same way.

I will also say that when meeting a homeschool child that one can't determine if the child is "that way" because s/he is homeschooled or are homeschooled because of that. For example, my oldest is painfully shy and awkward in social situations. She was this way before we started homeschooling -- not because of homeschooling. Also, as an aside to those who feel she should be in school to learn how to act in social situations, I will say that my dd flourished at home last year. Having me there in those situations, gave her confidence and gave me a chance to help her and give her immediate feedback, and she is doing much, much better now -- even when I'm not there. Her self-confidence has soared.

 

[horseshowmom]

I have a question for adults who may have been homeschooled (and one for moms who homeschool now)

Just out of curiousity, I'm wondering how adults who were homeschooled do in the career field (successes, specific careers)? I know there are wonderful moms and kids who are homeschooled, but the very few I've known have given 'homeschooling' a negative idea in my head...

I'll give you my perspective. My daughter was homeschooled and is currently pursuing her doctorate in pharmacy school. She had an ACT score of 32 and was accepted into the early entrance pharmacy honors program when she graduated high school. She recived numerous scholarships (Robert C. Byrd Scholarship for academic achievement, Presidential Freedom Scholarship for volunteer service, as well as many, many more) and tutored fellow students. In fact, she received enough merit based scholarship funds to cover her educational expenses.

She graduated with her B.S. this past May (Summa Cum Laude) and was awarded the Taylor Medal (which is the highest academic honor awarded by her university). She was selected as the Class Marshal and was initiated into Phi Kappa Phi (among many other honors).

She has many friends and (as another poster commented) is well known for being able to talk to anyone of any age. She was asked to deliver the keynote address at our church's high school graduation service this year and has mentored students in the youth group. She was very popular with her professors at her university.

In high school, she was selected the Fairest of the Fair (beauty contest at the Fair) and SASCA Queen (horse related competition). She captained our state's 4-H Horse Bowl team that won the National competition in Denver. She was the individual high point (with the highest individual score in the history of the contest).

She just got married to an exceptional young man who is a teacher.

The kids I've known are always outside playing, never seem to have any structure. One of the girls is 11, and doesn't even know her months of the year in order - Now, I know this has to be a bad example, but when I see these kids always running around outside, or my DDs friend who is out shopping during 'school hours', it has me wondering if there is true structure..and if not, how does this prepare the kids to be adults in a 'structured' career atmosphere.

Reasonable question - As others have said, homeschooling does not have to conform to regular school hours. In our case, my daughter horseshowed extensively and was sometimes away at the trainer or at multi-day horseshows. She had to learn to structure her time in such a way that she was able to complete her work (that sometimes meant working at the shows or sometimes completing things ahead of time - or even afterwards).

In fact, one of her strengths when she got to college was that very same ability to structure her time. She wasn't as tempted as some of her friends to postpone her work for something that might be more "fun".

If homeschooled, can these kids go to 'any' college or do some colleges not accept them...and do they do 'well' in college when they have been in a home environment for so long...
(As you can see, this is more for the people who have completed homeschooling, not still doing it)... I'm just curious, and please know I"m not bashing, I want to hear the success stories, not the ones I've seen...

As others have said, most (if not all) colleges now have provisions for homeschoolers. I think you would agree from what I've said that my daugher functioned quite well (thrived, in fact) at the university level. She has said many times that she felt she was much better prepared for the rigors of her studies than many others she knew (of the 50 students accepted into the very competitive early entry honors program, only 20 something actually made it into pharmacy school and not all of those graduated in May).


I'm one of those who is not at all sensitive about having homeschooled. My daughter and her husband have said that if they ever do have children, they intend to homeschool as well. I do understand where others come from though. We had our share of skeptics thoughout the years (they have since changed their perspectives ).

We made a point of politely answering questions and leaving them to their own conclusions. One thing that people regularly commented was on my daughter's manners and ability to communicate. While people sometimes were annoying, we always felt like we didn't want to lower ourselves to an unflattering level.

Hope this answers at least some of your questions.


ETA: I neglected to add that I know a lot of homeschoolers who are similar to my daugher. Three of the four girls on the horse bowl team that I mentioned were homeschoolers. The other two homeschooled girls went on to do very well in college (on scholarships as well). The other girl was a public school graduate who went on to be accepted into the early entry veterinary honors program at her university (and was a bridesmaid in DD's wedding in June! ).

How each person chooses to educate their child is up to them. I don't make suggestions to others about not sending their children to public school. I did, however, have a lot of people who were very disapproving of my choice to homeschool throughout the years.

 

[Buckalew11]

Also, until you homeschool, you can just never grasp how judgemental people can be about it. When we decided to homeschool last year, you would have thought that we had decided to DD into the basement with no food or water until she was 20. My clientele was outspoken and judgemental about it, friends were, church family was... even my sister and my BILs.
It was terrible and I got really tired of it. And I was a bit shocked that people would say the things they said to me before I took my scissors to their hair, LOL.

But this year, it is a different story. I had a few people ask if I was doing that again or I was going to let her go to school. There's no let about it. It is her decision and she can go to whatever school here she wants to--including homeschool. I am, however, more relaxed about it. I feel like I don't have to "prove" to them it works--I know it does.

Before this, DD was in private school. Even though I know kids in public school who are 5th and 6th graders who can't recite their times tables or the Preamble of the Constitution, I don't wonder about PS kids or wonder if PS works. But PS is more common than HSing. And most of us know that some kids will succeed in whatever school you put them in and some kids will struggle whereever they are at.

And I agree with metime. I am thrilled that we all have the choice about how to educate our kids.