Anther school vent...............

Well I feel that the original posters' point was how unfair the public school system is and I will totally agree. One thing we all need to remember is that these are PUBLIC schoolsa and that being the case they should be willing to listen to, work with and treat fair the PUBLIC i.e. the parents and students. My DD is in the 3rd grade and I am EXTREMELY disappointed by our school. First off, they just want our kids to attend all days of school so they can get their money from the government so that is just point blank greed.

No, it's so they can pay for books, and paper, and copier ink and craft materials, and pencils and crayons, and construction paper, and sports equipment and art supplies and music material, and administrative supplies, etc, etc, etc. They aren't pocketing the funding and going to the spa with it.
 
Have you tried talking to someone with a bit more power than other parents? The principal, superintendent of education or the school board?

I cannot imagine "greed" in the school system as there is no money there to be had. And wanting your child in school all day is a long way from "greed"--that is in fact following the law.

If that many teachers have that kind of attitude then there must be an employee/employer problem. And should also be addressed to the school superintendent and school board.

Most school rules are not "petty", most are in place for the safety of the students. And I just don't understand so much concern for "political correctness"; as long as my child is learning all the skills necessary and is kept safe throughout the school day--I am a happy lady.

I hope you are not thinking that all Mississippi schools are like the one you are describing; because they are most certainly not. I am always upset to hear some of these things about places in my great state because I am afraid it makes us all look bad.

First off, I am in no way categorizing all public schools in MS as bad. :hippie: I have a good friend who lives up in Laurel/Hattiesburg area and her school is great. She can't believe the junk that goes on at my DD's school. So I am certain there are some great public schools in MS, however, I just don't have one near me!!!! As far as the "petty rules" I was personally referring to here is an example: We as parents could walk our child to their classrooms in the morning, which, was so nice because as a parent your are a little nervous your child's first year of school and for me personally it was peace of mind actually seeing her walk into her classroom. Ok that was great. However, during Christmas when I walked DD to her classroom I noticed a huge poster supporting her teacher's religious beliefs. Now, I am not talking just a poster saying something like God is great. No I am referring to a poster that one would find in a Sunday School Classroom. It had scriptures all OVER it. Don't get me wrong, I believe in God and we attend church, however, I do not send my DD to school to receive a religious education. Well, I went to the principle and asked her if teachers were supposed to have things like that up and she got such an attitude with me and said "fine, we'll take it down." Then she just walked off. Well, this was right before Christmas break and lo and behold when the kids returned to school after the break there was a nice little memo saying parents could no longer walk their children to their classrooms. I called the Superintendent and told him I took this personally and he said," Well, Mrs. ___________ , I am not going to say it was not personal. Mrs. __________ (the principle) explained to me you had a problem with the poster, etc., etc. blah, blah." Hhhhhmmmm, that is a petty little rule. So the fact is they don't want parents to walk their children to their classrooms in a PUBLIC school because they don't want us to see what they are really doing. Soooooo, how else can I take that? It was not a safety issue. It was just because I actually had the guts to say something and they couldn't take it. So in effect, they made their rules but they chose to break the rules of our on government who plainly makes it clear that public schools are to be neutral and no religius belief is to be promoted. This is because not everybody believes the same way and this way it makes ALL the children feel comfortable at a PUBLIC school that is being paid by our tax dollars. So this is just one of the horrible experiences I have personally endured at our school around here. So my point is, it is greedy to benefit from government funding when they are not willing to abide by the rules to receive that funding. It is greedy and dishonest. I know they can loose their federal funding if I took this high enough. All I am waiting for is one more instance where they break the law and believe you me ACLU will be more than happy to right this wrong!
 
Im not saying this in a snarky way but did you read the part where I said that THE SCHOOL gave him the present to begin with?

I mean, I would totally 100% agree with you if HE brought the present from home and they didnt already know what was in it but that wasnt the case.
Doesn't matter that he recieved the present from the school or that he was joking around. By your logic the student that pulled a fake gun on me should not have been punished. He was punished and should have been. Had he pulled that fake gun on someone in the community he could have been killed.

Btw I would not be teaching now had it not been for the encouragement of my daughters' teachers because I was tutoring as a parent volunteer.
 
I absolutely do not mean this in a hostile way, but I don't know of any teachers who are lookong for any pity. :confused3 However, I also don't know why people always bring up "all that time off teachers have". We don't get paid for it so how does that pertain to anything?


(P.S. I have to add that we generally go in at 7:15 and don't even have lunch off - somebody has to be with the kids at all times, but that's just part of the job.)

No, you're right, they don't look for pity, but I also don't want to hear how they don't get paid during the summer, work long hours, have little budgets to work with. YOU KNEW THAT BEFORE YOU BECAME A TEACHER. It's like a fireman complaining that they make him run into burning buildings, or that they have to work 3-24 hours shift. You know that before you go in. If that doesn't sound like something you're cut out for THEN FIND ANOTHER JOB. Everyone is frustrated with their job at times and everyone would like to get paid more, but these are things you consider before taking any position. Can't work weekends? Then don't get a waitressing job. Can't work 24-7? don't become a lawyer in a major law firm. I completely agree that teachers are underpaid, spend much of their own money and are sometimes unappreciated. But teachers shouldn't spend the rest of their lives complaining about how bad they have it when they knew that before they took the job. And, at least where I'm from, the public school teachers are paid MUCH better than the Catholic school teachers, although they are trying to rectify that. My cousin is a high school teacher in Newark, NJ -- an extremely poor school district so I know what teachers are up against. Again, she knew that before she took the job and she took the job because it's truly what she wants to do and loves being with the kids and feeling like she might make a difference in their lives. (And she doesn't mind having the summers off ;) ). And speaking of salaries, since teachers only get paid for a 10 month year, then a $30-$60k salary doesn't sound bad for 10 months out of the year. Trying griping to someone working 10 hour shifts in McDonald's who is making significantly less than that and having to put up with nasty customers during the lunch/dinner hours. It's all a matter of perspective.
 

You are certainly entitled to your vent, however; if you have had constant problems for 7 years I think you need to step back and re-evaluate things. Yes there are bad teachers but they are not all bad. To lay all of these problems on the teachers is not fair to the teachers who do care. (And they far outnumber the teachers that don't.)

I agree, the common denominator between you and seven years of bad teachers is you. Maybe you should look at your role in this.
 
Oh - and I'd also like to point out that our lawsuit-happy society where everyone is a victim and has "the ACLU on speed dial" is often why schools are forced to have so many "petty" policies.

Well, I know what you are referring to about our lawsuit happy society and I agree. However, when it comes to my child and her right to attend a public school where she can feel comfortable, you can be certain I will fight for that. Not one time during all my days in public school did any of my teachers ever promote their personal religious beliefs or promote a religious belief over another. Holiday celebrations were kept to the day we got out for that particular holiday and not dragged out over a month and a half. They were also very careful to leave any religious significance of the holiday out and focus strictly on the secular aspect. Unfortunately, this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I have personally encountered while dealing with my DD's school. So like the old saying until you have walked a mile in the other person's shoes don't judge.
 
No, you're right, they don't look for pity, but I also don't want to hear how they don't get paid during the summer, work long hours, have little budgets to work with. YOU KNEW THAT BEFORE YOU BECAME A TEACHER. It's like a fireman complaining that they make him run into burning buildings, or that they have to work 3-24 hours shift. You know that before you go in. If that doesn't sound like something you're cut out for THEN FIND ANOTHER JOB. Everyone is frustrated with their job at times and everyone would like to get paid more, but these are things you consider before taking any position. Can't work weekends? Then don't get a waitressing job. Can't work 24-7? don't become a lawyer in a major law firm. I completely agree that teachers are underpaid, spend much of their own money and are sometimes unappreciated. But teachers shouldn't spend the rest of their lives complaining about how bad they have it when they knew that before they took the job. And, at least where I'm from, the public school teachers are paid MUCH better than the Catholic school teachers, although they are trying to rectify that. My cousin is a high school teacher in Newark, NJ -- an extremely poor school district so I know what teachers are up against. Again, she knew that before she took the job and she took the job because it's truly what she wants to do and loves being with the kids and feeling like she might make a difference in their lives. (And she doesn't mind having the summers off ;) ). And speaking of salaries, since teachers only get paid for a 10 month year, then a $30-$60k salary doesn't sound bad for 10 months out of the year. Trying griping to someone working 10 hour shifts in McDonald's who is making significantly less than that and having to put up with nasty customers during the lunch/dinner hours. It's all a matter of perspective.

Just because you take a job doesn't mean you can't devote yourself to trying to better your profession. Isn't that how change has happened in our country over time?
 
Principal.

It's principal---

Remember, he or she is your "pal":teacher:
 
No, it's so they can pay for books, and paper, and copier ink and craft materials, and pencils and crayons, and construction paper, and sports equipment and art supplies and music material, and administrative supplies, etc, etc, etc. They aren't pocketing the funding and going to the spa with it.

I realize they are not going to the spa with the money or a fabulous shopping spree. That is ridiculous. :rotfl: I am referring to the fact that it is greedy to receive money that is contigent upon certain criteria and when you are purposely not complying with that criteria and still accepting the money that is what makes it greedy. Funny, at the beginning of the year I am given a list and go buy what is on that list of school supplies. Oh and let me point out on that list it doesn't say just crayons no it says CRAYOLA crayons. It doesn't say glue. No it says ELMER's glue. Also during the middle of the year we get little memos from the teachers asking to please send in various other supplies as well.
 
Hey guys. The word you want is PRINCIPAL not principle. Big difference.
 
Well, I know what you are referring to about our lawsuit happy society and I agree. However, when it comes to my child and her right to attend a public school where she can feel comfortable, you can be certain I will fight for that. Not one time during all my days in public school did any of my teachers ever promote their personal religious beliefs or promote a religious belief over another. Holiday celebrations were kept to the day we got out for that particular holiday and not dragged out over a month and a half. They were also very careful to leave any religious significance of the holiday out and focus strictly on the secular aspect. Unfortunately, this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I have personally encountered while dealing with my DD's school. So like the old saying until you have walked a mile in the other person's shoes don't judge.

Did you ask the teacher about it, or did you jump to conclusions? During December, my DD's school has guest speakers of different faiths to come in and talk to classes about their traditions. It is very interesting. They even brought things to hang in the classes for the days they were presenting.
Also, the "holiday" crafts and class time at her school is really just winter themed and it is core content related. It may look like just games and crafts, but it is connected to relavent learning activities.
 
I realize they are not going to the spa with the money or a fabulous shopping spree. That is ridiculous. :rotfl: I am referring to the fact that it is greedy to receive money that is contigent upon certain criteria and when you are purposely not complying with that criteria and still accepting the money that is what makes it greedy. Funny, at the beginning of the year I am given a list and go buy what is on that list of school supplies. Oh and let me point out on that list it doesn't say just crayons no it says CRAYOLA crayons. It doesn't say glue. No it says ELMER's glue. Also during the middle of the year we get little memos from the teachers asking to please send in various other supplies as well.

It is NOT greed! That money pays for the supplies that your child uses. How is taking money for the children of your school greed????
 
You are certainly entitled to your vent, however; if you have had constant problems for 7 years I think you need to step back and re-evaluate things. Yes there are bad teachers but they are not all bad. To lay all of these problems on the teachers is not fair to the teachers who do care. (And they far outnumber the teachers that don't.)

I agree. Seven years of bad teachers, what are the odds of that??! Sounds like maybe it could not be all the teachers' fault!

BTW, I am a teacher and I worked hard to get my degree. And I did it all because I care about kids, not the money or anything else. Sure there are rules for the kids. There are rules for the teachers too and yes, they can be frustrating at times. But every job has rules and they must be followed. What do you think would happen to a society with no rules?? Same goes for a school with no rules.

I am a teacher married to a teacher so lots of our friends are teachers and we all care deeply about the kids. Thats why we do what we do. What other reason could we have for subjecting ourselves to parents like you who think we are doing an awful job just for following rules? Cause we like it?? NAH!:sad2:
 
I think what GemGumby is trying to say (and I could be wrong, 'cause I usually am :rotfl: ) is you always here talk about the number of school days and attendance in direct corrolation with government funding (i.e., the school must be open "x" days per year in order to obtain funding). You never hear them say, school must be open for "x" days per year in order for the children to get the full education they need. Snow days and such all need to be made up for funding purposes, never education purposes. Most of these school days are made up at the end of the year, when the kids aren't doing anything anyway, so it's not like they're spending that extra day or two learning. Same with standardized testing -- it's always teach for the test so we can get more funding, not teach so the children learn and become well rounded student and individuals. The test should be to see how much the children have learned overall, not what you can cram into them in the weeks leading up to the test so they can do well on the test (again for funding purposes only). Obviously, that's not the policies of the individual teachers, but rather the school districts and state and federal governments.
 
Did you ask the teacher about it, or did you jump to conclusions? During December, my DD's school has guest speakers of different faiths to come in and talk to classes about their traditions. It is very interesting. They even brought things to hang in the classes for the days they were presenting.
Also, the "holiday" crafts and class time at her school is really just winter themed and it is core content related. It may look like just games and crafts, but it is connected to relavent learning activities.

Well of course I talked to the teacher. :goodvibes As far as "winter themed" crafts I have no problem with that and would LOVE that. However, a nativity scene can in no way be neutral can it? I have talked to these teachers/administrators about trying to do just as you have said neutral activities like "winter" crafts, etc. but it is a no go. They are pretty much like if you don't believe like we do too bad for you. Honestly I have never seen anything like it!!!!
 
I realize they are not going to the spa with the money or a fabulous shopping spree. That is ridiculous. :rotfl: I am referring to the fact that it is greedy to receive money that is contigent upon certain criteria and when you are purposely not complying with that criteria and still accepting the money that is what makes it greedy. Funny, at the beginning of the year I am given a list and go buy what is on that list of school supplies. Oh and let me point out on that list it doesn't say just crayons no it says CRAYOLA crayons. It doesn't say glue. No it says ELMER's glue. Also during the middle of the year we get little memos from the teachers asking to please send in various other supplies as well.

I know I've seen thread about this on here before, so you may already know this, but there's usually a reason for it if a school requests specific brands of supplies. There are some brands that just really do not work well at all, and it's often easier to specify one good brand than to list the brands you should not buy.

I understand what you are saying about the school systems and the rules, but I wouldn't view it as a matter of being greedy. They aren't trying to get lots of money for the sake of being rich or for frivolous reasons - they really do need the funds. I do agree, though, that it is a bit hypocritical of them to expect the parents to follow rules if they blatently ignore the rules that are supposed to apply to them.
 
I think what GemGumby is trying to say (and I could be wrong, 'cause I usually am :rotfl: ) is you always here talk about the number of school days and attendance in direct corrolation with government funding (i.e., the school must be open "x" days per year in order to obtain funding). You never hear them say, school must be open for "x" days per year in order for the children to get the full education they need. Snow days and such all need to be made up for funding purposes, never education purposes. Most of these school days are made up at the end of the year, when the kids aren't doing anything anyway, so it's not like they're spending that extra day or two learning. Same with standardized testing -- it's always teach for the test so we can get more funding, not teach so the children learn and become well rounded student and individuals. The test should be to see how much the children have learned overall, not what you can cram into them in the weeks leading up to the test so they can do well on the test (again for funding purposes only). Obviously, that's not the policies of the individual teachers, but rather the school districts and state and federal governments.

THANK YOU!!!!! :thumbsup2 THAT IS MY POINT and as well that receiving that money is contigent upon certain criteria and sadly my school is not complying with that so I do view that dishonest and greedy.
 
First off, I am in no way categorizing all public schools in MS as bad. :hippie: I have a good friend who lives up in Laurel/Hattiesburg area and her school is great. She can't believe the junk that goes on at my DD's school. So I am certain there are some great public schools in MS, however, I just don't have one near me!!!! As far as the "petty rules" I was personally referring to here is an example: We as parents could walk our child to their classrooms in the morning, which, was so nice because as a parent your are a little nervous your child's first year of school and for me personally it was peace of mind actually seeing her walk into her classroom. Ok that was great. However, during Christmas when I walked DD to her classroom I noticed a huge poster supporting her teacher's religious beliefs. Now, I am not talking just a poster saying something like God is great. No I am referring to a poster that one would find in a Sunday School Classroom. It had scriptures all OVER it. Don't get me wrong, I believe in God and we attend church, however, I do not send my DD to school to receive a religious education. Well, I went to the principle and asked her if teachers were supposed to have things like that up and she got such an attitude with me and said "fine, we'll take it down." Then she just walked off. Well, this was right before Christmas break and lo and behold when the kids returned to school after the break there was a nice little memo saying parents could no longer walk their children to their classrooms. I called the Superintendent and told him I took this personally and he said," Well, Mrs. ___________ , I am not going to say it was not personal. Mrs. __________ (the principle) explained to me you had a problem with the poster, etc., etc. blah, blah." Hhhhhmmmm, that is a petty little rule. So the fact is they don't want parents to walk their children to their classrooms in a PUBLIC school because they don't want us to see what they are really doing. Soooooo, how else can I take that? It was not a safety issue. It was just because I actually had the guts to say something and they couldn't take it. So in effect, they made their rules but they chose to break the rules of our on government who plainly makes it clear that public schools are to be neutral and no religius belief is to be promoted. This is because not everybody believes the same way and this way it makes ALL the children feel comfortable at a PUBLIC school that is being paid by our tax dollars. So this is just one of the horrible experiences I have personally endured at our school around here. So my point is, it is greedy to benefit from government funding when they are not willing to abide by the rules to receive that funding. It is greedy and dishonest. I know they can loose their federal funding if I took this high enough. All I am waiting for is one more instance where they break the law and believe you me ACLU will be more than happy to right this wrong!

Tell your friend hello from a neighbor! :wave2:

Well, I must say that the superintendent can't be the brightest star in the sky to admit that was the reason for the rule change. Our school has the same rule but the reason is to limit the number of people walking around school and prevent just anyone walking into a classroom--so it goes back to safety. I actually prefer the rule; but that comes from the experience of an ex-husband who might get drunk and decide to pick up my sons.

I have to agree with others though, having ACLU on speed dial is probably not the best way to get the school to cooperate with you. You may not mean it that way, but it sounds like you are just looking for an excuse to take them to court. I don't send my child to school to get a religious education either; but I am not going to get that bent out of shape about it. If she was to mention some such poster to me; my responce would be "if it bothers you, ignore it".
 


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