Another reason to get a passport

[dcassetta]

https://www.abcactionnews.com/money...uise-boarding-for-incorrect-birth-certificate

This story was about people having the wrong kind of birth certificate.

 

[starry_solo]

OK, why would anyone think the commemorative birth certificate from a hospital is an acceptable type of birth certificate?

 

[_19disnA]

You can go online and request a birth certificate for far less then the cost of a passport. Seem to recall when I needed one a few years ago it was free or only a minimal cost. If you never plan to travel overseas, the $100+ cost of a passport doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

[nancipants]

OK, why would anyone think the commemorative birth certificate from a hospital is an acceptable type of birth certificate?

There is discussion in this thread about people not realizing they did not have their official or certified birth certificate from the state, because they never had issues getting other IDs using a hospital birth certificate. If I hadn't tried to get my mom a passport, we might not have realized it before getting on the cruise.

 

[SandyinMonterey]

OK, why would anyone think the commemorative birth certificate from a hospital is an acceptable type of birth certificate?

I did not have a commemorative birth certificate from the hospital, it was the plain/standard one probably everyone received. I used that birth certificate for 50 years (born in 1966). Even used it for cruises in the 80's, travel to Mexico in the 80's and got married in 2001 out of state (in FL at WDW) and used it for my wedding license. It wasn't until applying for a passport in 2016 that I it wasn't official. My sister, who married a couple of years before me, did have a problem in our home state of NJ with her birth certificate when she applied for marriage license, though she failed to tell me about it. She was born in PA and I was born in NJ. When I questioned my Mom about it, she never knew/realized that what the hospital gave her wasn't "the real thing."

 

[lanejudy]

I did not have a commemorative birth certificate from the hospital, it was the plain/standard one probably everyone received. I used that birth certificate for 50 years (born in 1966). Even used it for cruises in the 80's, travel to Mexico in the 80's and got married in 2001 out of state (in FL at WDW) and used it for my wedding license. It wasn't until applying for a passport in 2016 that I it wasn't official. My sister, who married a couple of years before me, did have a problem in our home state of NJ with her birth certificate when she applied for marriage license, though she failed to tell me about it. She was born in PA and I was born in NJ. When I questioned my Mom about it, she never knew/realized that what the hospital gave her wasn't "the real thing."

It may even have been "the real thing" but what is considered a "short form" that doesn't have all the information now required -- parents' names is a big one that often wasn't included in "short form" birth certificates. They worked for years, just not now.

 

[tvguy]

A "real" birth certificate is called a "Certified" copy. It will either have a raised seal on it, or is printed on engraved paper, similar to paper used for paper money.
I ran into the issue of people not having a certified copy frequently when I was on the Little League Board of Directors and we had to see a certified copy to verify a child's age. Not sure how they enrolled their children in public school since it is required there too.

 

[tvguy]

You can go online and request a birth certificate for far less then the cost of a passport. Seem to recall when I needed one a few years ago it was free or only a minimal cost. If you never plan to travel overseas, the $100+ cost of a passport doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

But in this case you are traveling overseas. My kids have had a Passport since they were 2 years old. To be honest, I don't know why everyone doesn't have a Passports, It makes things so much easier at home when you take a new job and have to prove citizenship, when you enroll kids in school or youth sports or applying for a Real ID.
I just remember taking my daughter to get her Learner's Permit at DMV. I had her certified birth certificate and her Passport and the clerk snatched the Passport from my hand and said that make the process much quicker. With a certified birth certificate, three different staff members have to examine it to confirm it is not a counterfeit certified birth certificate.
And when your kids get into Junior High School and High School, they may be in band or choir or a foreign language club where there is a school trip out of the U.S and they will need the Passport then.

 

[dcassetta]

You can go online and request a birth certificate for far less then the cost of a passport. Seem to recall when I needed one a few years ago it was free or only a minimal cost. If you never plan to travel overseas, the $100+ cost of a passport doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

The people in the video were going overseas. If they had applied for a passport then the birth certificate issue would have been recognized long before the trip and they would have been able to go.

 

[_19disnA]

......and if they actually had a "real" birth certificate this would have never been an issue.

 

[bumbershoot]

I did not have a commemorative birth certificate from the hospital, it was the plain/standard one probably everyone received. I used that birth certificate for 50 years (born in 1966). Even used it for cruises in the 80's, travel to Mexico in the 80's and got married in 2001 out of state (in FL at WDW) and used it for my wedding license. It wasn't until applying for a passport in 2016 that I it wasn't official. My sister, who married a couple of years before me, did have a problem in our home state of NJ with her birth certificate when she applied for marriage license, though she failed to tell me about it. She was born in PA and I was born in NJ. When I questioned my Mom about it, she never knew/realized that what the hospital gave her wasn't "the real thing."

Doesn't sound like she got something from the hospital. It was just the shorter form of BC. In my own case, my state of birth has always had all the currently-needed information on it, so I've never had an issue with my BC. But other states had a lot less info on it. That is part of what caused the kerfuffle some years back with some people wanting to see a candidate's birth cert and being frustrated that they could only see a newer version. They decided it was some sort of conspiracy, when it was simply that the state doesn't issue "old" BCs anymore.

 

[SandyinMonterey]

Doesn't sound like she got something from the hospital. It was just the shorter form of BC. In my own case, my state of birth has always had all the currently-needed information on it, so I've never had an issue with my BC. But other states had a lot less info on it. That is part of what caused the kerfuffle some years back with some people wanting to see a candidate's birth cert and being frustrated that they could only see a newer version. They decided it was some sort of conspiracy, when it was simply that the state doesn't issue "old" BCs anymore.

It was from the hospital. I asked my Mom and she said that's where she got it.

 

[tvguy]

It was from the hospital. I asked my Mom and she said that's where she got it.

Yes, those generally are informational only, not certified copies. You have to buy certified copies from the County Recorder.

 

[john7994]

OK, why would anyone think the commemorative birth certificate from a hospital is an acceptable type of birth certificate?

Got all the way into my late twenties until I realized the difference ... so yeah ... proudly include me in that group as it said "Certificate of Birth" with a raised seal (from the Hospital). Fortunately, a nice person explained it to me.

 

[starry_solo]

Got all the way into my late twenties until I realized the difference ... so yeah ... proudly include me in that group as it said "Certificate of Birth" with a raised seal (from the Hospital). Fortunately, a nice person explained it to me.

Wow! My parents got me the certified BC from the state when I was 3 years old! LOL

 

[john7994]

Wow! My parents got me the certified BC from the state when I was 3 years old! LOL

You must be so blessed

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

o be honest, I don't know why everyone doesn't have a Passports, It makes things so much easier at home when you take a new job and have to prove citizenship, when you enroll kids in school or youth sports or applying for a Real ID.

Eh...

Cost is one reason why parents may not do a passport for kid and the length of time (5 years) it's good for vs 16 and up one (10 years).

In order to get a passport you need to prove your citizenship anyhow. A certified copy of your birth certificate is often used (well that's the crux of this thread is it not lol)

A new job typically needs your DL and your SSN card. I suppose the only thing is if someone doesn't immediately have their SSN card but chances are for many they aren't just going to see the point of going through the paperwork hassle of a passport for a job. Most people do it if they are planning on traveling internationally (or in some cases for people in places like NYC who don't drive and don't opt for a non-driver's license).

To apply for a real ID if your name has changed since your birth you have to prove the chain of that. This hits most often married women. So for me when I got married I applied for a passport due to us taking our honeymoon out of the country. I needed a certified copy of my birth certificate for first time applicant. When I changed my name on my DL I needed a certified copy of my marriage license. Same for when I changed my name on my SSN. We didn't immediately change my name on my passport but in order to do that I needed a certified copy of my marriage license and my existing passport.

To get my real ID which I just got in March in order to make sure of everything I brought all that I needed so here's the list:

1) Passport in my married name
2) Certified copy of my marriage license (just in case)
3) SSN card in my married name
4) Renewal post card
5) 2 proofs of residency

Now all my names matched but if any of them didn't I needed that certified copy of the marriage license to prove the name change. For me I only gave my passport and the renewal postcard but it isn't as if the passport saved me all that much because I had to do all that other stuff before it to make sure it was in my married name so it could be used as proof of citizenship.

Whew and all that to say my friend getting a passport once you get it may seem easy but it's getting there that takes a bit and it doesn't always make sense to get it for mundane things when other things are just as handy.

I still think a passport is good but I don't know that provisionally I think everyone needs to run out and get their toddler one because regardless the other docs are still needed (including to get that passport to begin with lol).

 

[tvguy]

A new job typically needs your DL and your SSN card.

I have never been asked for my Social Security card for any job. It has never left my safe deposit box. Besides, it says right on it "Not For Identification". Last job I took was in 2005 and a Passport is all I needed to prove citizenship. They needed my DL to ad me to the company's Auto Insurance policy.
They did have a big mess two years ago my last job. They let a woman start working while she worked to get proof she was either a citizen or legally in the U.S. At the end of her 90 day probationary period, the had to let her go. She had a DL and a SSN card, but no birth certificate, no Passport and no green card.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I have never been asked for my Social Security card for any job. It has never left my safe deposit box. Besides, it says right on it "Not For Identification". Last job I took was in 2005 and a Passport is all I needed to prove citizenship. They needed my DL to ad me to the company's Auto Insurance policy.
They did have a big mess two years ago my last job. They let a woman start working while she worked to get proof she was either a citizen or legally in the U.S. At the end of her 90 day probationary period, the had to let her go. She had a DL and a SSN card, but no birth certificate, no Passport and no green card.View attachment 671290

I pretty much have always given my SSN for job in fact my husband could have used that for his new job taken just 3 months ago. And in my comment I said mostly commonly people use a SSN card I did not say that was all they could use.

And you're using outdated information (no offense), trust me my SSN card issued in my married name (don't know where my other one is but I believe it's the same) in 2013 does not in fact say that bottom part, nothing on it says it's prohibited for ID. That is like a really old picture. Don't you remember when people were told to keep their SSN cards in their wallet OR when they were on DLs? Then it was like "oops yea don't do that" AND most importantly is part of showing my identity to get a real ID a SSN is one of the documents you can bring for proof of Social Security:
One (1) proof of Social Security * A full Social Security Number MUST be visible. Social Security Card, Current W-2 or 1099 or 1040 Current pay stub

Regardless that wasn't even the point of the comment. You posed why everyone doesn't have it so they could show it for school enrollment, a job, or to get a real ID. I just gave counterpoints for why that's impractical for many to get a passport just for that including the fact that you typically use/need a certified copy of a birth certificate to get one.

 

[hrhdhd]

I have never been asked for my Social Security card for any job. It has never left my safe deposit box. Besides, it says right on it "Not For Identification". View attachment 671290

It's not for identification. An employer completing an I-9 form for a new employee can use any number of documents to establish ID and other ones to establish employment authorization.

A passport does take care of both issues, but given that a DL and an SSN card can do the same, everyone doesn't need a passport when hired.