ANOTHER Duggar is on the way..and it's......

As a homeschool mom, please share with me the materials you have seen them use to teach their children. I'd love to know how it differs from what we chose. Thx.

Their website contains the "resources" they use along with all the ATI information they teach.

Far be it for me to defend the Duggars, but you make it sound like they are the only family who does this.

My DD knows two "kids;" one is 18 and the other is 19. Both have graduated high school. They do nothing. Absolutely nothing. They don't work, volunteer, have a job, go to school, and they don't have a load of younger siblings to take care of. One is an only child. The mom of that teen just posted on FB the other day, "I am so proud of ______. She is the future of America." I almost fell over. That is not what I want our future to look like!

Is that what I want for my kids or what you want for yours? No! But because they have some adult kids who live at home and aren't working or going to school is hardly an anomaly today.

I never said they were the only ones in this situation. People were stating the kids are all productive, not on welfare. I was simply pointing out that they live off their parents and the TV show. I would like to see if they could live outside of their very sheltered bubble.
 
Their website contains the "resources" they use along with all the ATI information they teach.



I never said they were the only ones in this situation. People were stating the kids are all productive, not on welfare. I was simply pointing out that they live off their parents and the TV show. I would like to see if they could live outside of their very sheltered bubble.

Well Josh owns and runs a car dealership, I believe the next 2 older boys work for the fire dept and maybe a few of the girls as well. As far as there homeschooling they use ACE Paces for math, English and spelling. Recently, within the last year and a half, we have started using ALPHA OMEGA SOS
 
Their website contains the "resources" they use along with all the ATI information they teach.



I never said they were the only ones in this situation. People were stating the kids are all productive, not on welfare. I was simply pointing out that they live off their parents and the TV show. I would like to see if they could live outside of their very sheltered bubble.

My point is that there are thousands of Americans living in a similar way (adult children living at home and not doing much of anything). Not my cup of tea, but they aren't my kids. They aren't hurting anyone and they aren't living off the government so why would you care? If we made millions from a TV show, I'm guessing my kids would have less of an incentive to work, as well.

Their lifestyle is so not for me, but there are so many worse people in this world that I don't see why people get so bent out of shape over a family who loves one another, doesn't sponge off the government, and helps their fellow man.
 
As for the older children still at home they range from 23-19 years old. Jessa and Jill as well as John David are active volunteers at the fire department and John David owns his own towing company. All the older girls go on mission trips abroad often and Jessa was actually a mentor on one recently. What are most young adults doing at their age? Living at college off mommy and daddy's dime:) I know many kids still at home in their early 20's still studying or working to make their way. Should they all be kicked out at 18 to figure it out and take advantage of the system if need be? That sounds awfully silly! Josh started his own car business from the ground up and bought his own home. He supports his family and the duggars have made it known that once the children leave to start their own life they are on their own financially. Looks to me like they are trying to set them up to be productive members of society with a career they enjoy!
 

As for the older children still at home they range from 23-19 years old. Jessa and Jill as well as John David are active volunteers at the fire department and John David owns his own towing company. All the older girls go on mission trips abroad often and Jessa was actually a mentor on one recently. What are most young adults doing at their age? Living at college off mommy and daddy's dime:) I know many kids still at home in their early 20's still studying or working to make their way. Should they all be kicked out at 18 to figure it out and take advantage of the system if need be? That sounds awfully silly! Josh started his own car business from the ground up and bought his own home. He supports his family and the duggars have made it known that once the children leave to start their own life they are on their own financially. Looks to me like they are trying to set them up to be productive members of society with a career they enjoy!

This is my exact point. Is the lifestyle they choose for themselves one I would choose for me? No. But, I don't see it as a bad thing either. I see them raising kind people.
 
Parents without 19 other kids? Parents would could provide mre one on one attention to a baby?

Would God not be served by them providing a home to a hard to place baby?

This is a slippery slope. I know parents with one or two kids that are not good parents. I didn't say God would not be served. I said it wasn't my place to decide if it is right or wrong. We live in a country that does not limit the number of children you have. They are not on welfare and provide for their own children. Should the mom on welfare that can't take care of herself be able to adopt a baby more than them? I don't think they are looking at just U.S. adoptions. As far as they are concerned (not debating religion) we are all God's children regardless of the country we live in.
 
I don't think there is a problem with how close Josh and Anna's kids will be. I have 5 kids and most of them are close in age. The first two are 15 months apart, the second two are 19 months, and third and forth are 22 months apart. Their current ages are 9, 7(almost 8), 6, 4, and 9 months.

For all talking about Michelle getting pregnant after being warned its dangerous well that happened to me. When I was pregnant with my now 4 year old I got very ill and diagnosed with lyme. I was told anymore children would be hard on me and the baby may not survive. Well despite two methods of birth control I ended up pregnant. It was a rough pregnancy and I almost died but I now have a happy 9 month old I can't imagine life without. She did get my illness but shows no symptoms at this time. Now I know I used birth control and Michelle didn't but thing happen and you get pregnant. After getting pregnant while using two birth control methods I know believe God has a plan for us and if he wants a child to be born it will happen.

Unlike Michelle after I gave birth I got my tubes tied because like others have said I don't want my kids that I have to lose their mother when a pregnancy can kill me. If I get pregnant like this then God must be playing a joke on me. I think it would be wise for Michelle not to get pregnant again but it's her body and her decision. I am supportive of them adopting though

Sorry I rambled, I'm on meds for my illness and its hard to get my point out

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Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough? Good for the Duggars... leave them alone! What harm have they done?
 
Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough? Good for the Duggars... leave them alone! What harm have they done?

If they wanted to be left alone they wouldn't be pimping themselves on tv. I'm sure they're quite happy getting negative attention as well. As a show business family they know that no publicity is bad publicity.
 
According to a study published in the US National Library of Medicine for the National Institute of Health (Draper Fund Rep. 1982 Dec;(11):19-22.):
Abstract:
"For some time now there has been a multidisciplinary interest in the effects of family size on children's development and on their overall life outcomes. In general, available evidence indicates that children from small families tend to accrue advantages in many developmental areas, while children from larger families are, as a group, relatively disadvantaged. Care needs to be taken when drawing conclusions from correlational research, yet there is growing evidence that even when the social class of families is accounted for, children from smaller families fare better on many measures of development than those from large families. 1 of the best documented research findings is that children from smaller families perform better on tests of intellectual ability than children from large families. Efforts to understand why family size should affect intellectual performance have intensified in recent years. Many explanations have been offered, but the explanation termed the "confluence model" has attracted the most interest and controversy. According to this model, a child's intellectual development is a function of the intellectual environment provided by the family. That environment is conceptualized as the average of absolute intelligence of all family members. A child is born with an absolute intelligence of zero. The arrival of each additional child has the effect of lowering the family's intellectual environment. Thus, children from larger families grow up in a less enriched environment and tend to perform less well on measures of ability. A 2nd component of the confluence model is necessary to explain the phenomenon that "only" children fail to perform as well as might be expected on intelligence tests. According to the confluence model, the only child discontinuity results from the absence of an opportunity to tutor younger siblings. Available evidence indicates that family size exerts an effect on educational and occupational achievement over and above its effect on ability. A multidisciplinary explanation for the findings on family size suggests that family resources become "diluted" as family size increases and the result is the various developmental deficits reported by researchers. In sum, there is substantial documentation indicating that children from small families have a better developmental prognosis than children with many siblings. In the aggregate, these effects could have a substantial impact on the quality of a country's citizenry."
Another reason to "care" what the Duggars do and how it can affect others as citizens. It can be dangerous to think that because the Duggars seem to have done it well it is a healthy lifestyle that would be good for society overall. There is a matter of personal choice, but there is also the matter of being a responsible member of society as a whole.
Have the Duggars used the term "quiverfull" to describe their belief system? I thought that Michelle just had difficulty with one of her pregancies and afterwards swore to honor each child her "God" decided to give her. The Quiverfull movement is a religious movement that advocates having a huge amount of children with the aim of overtaking society with members from their own personal religious beliefs. I have a very brief knowledge of the Duggars, but I am not so trusting as to believe that what goes on in front of the cameras is what goes on behind the cameras. I thought I heard somewhere that one of their neighbors reported that when the cameras are not on, the older children keep the younger children on a large blanket, and they are trained to not go off of the blanket by being hit with a switch when they do. This is why they are able to have such a large amount of children as the older children ensure that they younger children stay on the blanket. Granted, that was totally undocumented "neighbor" information (the neighbor wasn't even identified), so I put no stock in that statement either, but I do know that kind of parenting is advocated and practiced in the Quiverfull movement.
 
According to a study published in the US National Library of Medicine for the National Institute of Health (Draper Fund Rep. 1982 Dec;(11):19-22.):
Abstract:
"For some time now there has been a multidisciplinary interest in the effects of family size on children's development and on their overall life outcomes. In general, available evidence indicates that children from small families tend to accrue advantages in many developmental areas, while children from larger families are, as a group, relatively disadvantaged. Care needs to be taken when drawing conclusions from correlational research, yet there is growing evidence that even when the social class of families is accounted for, children from smaller families fare better on many measures of development than those from large families. 1 of the best documented research findings is that children from smaller families perform better on tests of intellectual ability than children from large families. Efforts to understand why family size should affect intellectual performance have intensified in recent years. Many explanations have been offered, but the explanation termed the "confluence model" has attracted the most interest and controversy. According to this model, a child's intellectual development is a function of the intellectual environment provided by the family. That environment is conceptualized as the average of absolute intelligence of all family members. A child is born with an absolute intelligence of zero. The arrival of each additional child has the effect of lowering the family's intellectual environment. Thus, children from larger families grow up in a less enriched environment and tend to perform less well on measures of ability. A 2nd component of the confluence model is necessary to explain the phenomenon that "only" children fail to perform as well as might be expected on intelligence tests. According to the confluence model, the only child discontinuity results from the absence of an opportunity to tutor younger siblings. Available evidence indicates that family size exerts an effect on educational and occupational achievement over and above its effect on ability. A multidisciplinary explanation for the findings on family size suggests that family resources become "diluted" as family size increases and the result is the various developmental deficits reported by researchers. In sum, there is substantial documentation indicating that children from small families have a better developmental prognosis than children with many siblings. In the aggregate, these effects could have a substantial impact on the quality of a country's citizenry."
Another reason to "care" what the Duggars do and how it can affect others as citizens. It can be dangerous to think that because the Duggars seem to have done it well it is a healthy lifestyle that would be good for society overall. There is a matter of personal choice, but there is also the matter of being a responsible member of society as a whole.
Have the Duggars used the term "quiverfull" to describe their belief system? I thought that Michelle just had difficulty with one of her pregancies and afterwards swore to honor each child her "God" decided to give her. The Quiverfull movement is a religious movement that advocates having a huge amount of children with the aim of overtaking society with members from their own personal religious beliefs. I have a very brief knowledge of the Duggars, but I am not so trusting as to believe that what goes on in front of the cameras is what goes on behind the cameras. I thought I heard somewhere that one of their neighbors reported that when the cameras are not on, the older children keep the younger children on a large blanket, and they are trained to not go off of the blanket by being hit with a switch when they do. This is why they are able to have such a large amount of children as the older children ensure that they younger children stay on the blanket. Granted, that was totally undocumented "neighbor" information (the neighbor wasn't even identified), so I put no stock in that statement either, but I do know that kind of parenting is advocated and practiced in the Quiverfull movement.

Ok, I'll tell this to my MIL. She has 10 children.

2 teachers
2 doctors
2 veterinarians
1 lawyer
1 MBA
1 real estate developer
1 art gallery owner

By birth order

1. vet
2. teacher
3. lawyer
4.real estate developer
5. teacher
6. MBA
7. art gallery owner
8. vet
9. doctor
10 doctor
 
Here's the thing - if you don't agree with how many children they have or how they choose to raise them - don't watch them! Don't watch the show, don't tune in to interviews, etc.!

That works for me with many of today's shows - Sister Wives :) The Kardashians :) The girls Next Door :) Jersey Shore:) Teen Mom:) Real Wives of Wherever :)
 
Look, the same opinion goes for any show that puts their on display for the world to see-I don't like it. If you decide to do it, I am going to have an opinion about it.

If you want to go on reality television and have your life (and mistakes) put on display as an adult that is one thing. But, putting your children on display is quite another. They don't have an say in the matter and you don't know how it will affect them as they move through life...I don't think it is fair to them.

So, no I won't watch their show...but I continue to voice my opinion because that is what happens when you put your family on display.

And, you know, really I don't care how many kids they have as long as they support them, it is the putting the kids on display that I don't agree with...
 
Robbi said:
Ok, I'll tell this to my MIL. She has 10 children.

2 teachers
2 doctors
2 veterinarians
1 lawyer
1 MBA
1 real estate developer
1 art gallery owner

By birth order

1. vet
2. teacher
3. lawyer
4.real estate developer
5. teacher
6. MBA
7. art gallery owner
8. vet
9. doctor
10 doctor

And that's wonderful. The problem is that for every anecdotal story there is an opposite anecdote as well. I spent ten years in community mental health and the majority of families I worked with came from and had large families themselves. I am currently a case manager in a mandatory job search program and it is rare to work with a parent that has less than three children. I'm not saying the above research article was perfect. They even caution against confusing causation and correlation. However, it does seem like more and more studies are pointing to a higher level of dysfunction that appears in larger families. You will always have your outliers, such as your MIL's family and perhaps even the Duggars. However, many, many comments have been made to the effect of "as long as we don't have to care for the children (in the form of state benefits), then who cares," and I am simply stating that there may be more at risk than just our tax dollars, and that it is worth being educated about, and studying possible detrimental effects.
 
And that's wonderful. The problem is that for every anecdotal story there is an opposite anecdote as well. I spent ten years in community mental health and the majority of families I worked with came from and had large families themselves. I am currently a case manager in a mandatory job search program and it is rare to work with a parent that has less than three children. I'm not saying the above research article was perfect. They even caution against confusing causation and correlation. However, it does seem like more and more studies are pointing to a higher level of dysfunction that appears in larger families. You will always have your outliers, such as your MIL's family and perhaps even the Duggars. However, many, many comments have been made to the effect of "as long as we don't have to care for the children (in the form of state benefits), then who cares," and I am simply stating that there may be more at risk than just our tax dollars, and that it is worth being educated about, and studying possible detrimental effects.


One difference might be some large families actually plan and want to have lots of children.
 
keri125 said:
According to a study published in the US National Library of Medicine for the National Institute of Health (Draper Fund Rep. 1982 Dec;(11):19-22.):
Abstract:
"For some time now there has been a multidisciplinary interest in the effects of family size on children's development and on their overall life outcomes. In general, available evidence indicates that children from small families tend to accrue advantages in many developmental areas, while children from larger families are, as a group, relatively disadvantaged. Care needs to be taken when drawing conclusions from correlational research, yet there is growing evidence that even when the social class of families is accounted for, children from smaller families fare better on many measures of development than those from large families. 1 of the best documented research findings is that children from smaller families perform better on tests of intellectual ability than children from large families. Efforts to understand why family size should affect intellectual performance have intensified in recent years. Many explanations have been offered, but the explanation termed the "confluence model" has attracted the most interest and controversy. According to this model, a child's intellectual development is a function of the intellectual environment provided by the family. That environment is conceptualized as the average of absolute intelligence of all family members. A child is born with an absolute intelligence of zero. The arrival of each additional child has the effect of lowering the family's intellectual environment. Thus, children from larger families grow up in a less enriched environment and tend to perform less well on measures of ability. A 2nd component of the confluence model is necessary to explain the phenomenon that "only" children fail to perform as well as might be expected on intelligence tests. According to the confluence model, the only child discontinuity results from the absence of an opportunity to tutor younger siblings. Available evidence indicates that family size exerts an effect on educational and occupational achievement over and above its effect on ability. A multidisciplinary explanation for the findings on family size suggests that family resources become "diluted" as family size increases and the result is the various developmental deficits reported by researchers. In sum, there is substantial documentation indicating that children from small families have a better developmental prognosis than children with many siblings. In the aggregate, these effects could have a substantial impact on the quality of a country's citizenry."
Another reason to "care" what the Duggars do and how it can affect others as citizens. It can be dangerous to think that because the Duggars seem to have done it well it is a healthy lifestyle that would be good for society overall. There is a matter of personal choice, but there is also the matter of being a responsible member of society as a whole.
Have the Duggars used the term "quiverfull" to describe their belief system? I thought that Michelle just had difficulty with one of her pregancies and afterwards swore to honor each child her "God" decided to give her. The Quiverfull movement is a religious movement that advocates having a huge amount of children with the aim of overtaking society with members from their own personal religious beliefs. I have a very brief knowledge of the Duggars, but I am not so trusting as to believe that what goes on in front of the cameras is what goes on behind the cameras. I thought I heard somewhere that one of their neighbors reported that when the cameras are not on, the older children keep the younger children on a large blanket, and they are trained to not go off of the blanket by being hit with a switch when they do. This is why they are able to have such a large amount of children as the older children ensure that they younger children stay on the blanket. Granted, that was totally undocumented "neighbor" information (the neighbor wasn't even identified), so I put no stock in that statement either, but I do know that kind of parenting is advocated and practiced in the Quiverfull movement.

And to think that my son who is the oldest six who is getting his MBA,s intelligence is watered down! Oh and his two younger sisters, one a junior honors student in college and the other going to college in the fall for nursing,s development was delayed! I have to make sure my boys in middle school stop making high honors, they didn't know they were less intelligent than their peers from two child families. There is hope for my fourth grader-I will tell her no stop scoring advanced on her MCAS tests. Silly me, I forgot to i late their environments!
 
Robbi said:
Ok, I'll tell this to my MIL. She has 10 children.

2 teachers
2 doctors
2 veterinarians
1 lawyer
1 MBA
1 real estate developer
1 art gallery owner

By birth order

1. vet
2. teacher
3. lawyer
4.real estate developer
5. teacher
6. MBA
7. art gallery owner
8. vet
9. doctor
10 doctor

Right but there is no preside t in that list! My mother has a teacher, a lawyer and an economist. She was told by someone if she had brats fed instead of formula fed she would have had a professor, a judge and the Secretary of State. I guess our intelligence was watered down too.
 
keri125 said:
And that's wonderful. The problem is that for every anecdotal story there is an opposite anecdote as well. I spent ten years in community mental health and the majority of families I worked with came from and had large families themselves. I am currently a case manager in a mandatory job search program and it is rare to work with a parent that has less than three children. I'm not saying the above research article was perfect. They even caution against confusing causation and correlation. However, it does seem like more and more studies are pointing to a higher level of dysfunction that appears in larger families. You will always have your outliers, such as your MIL's family and perhaps even the Duggars. However, many, many comments have been made to the effect of "as long as we don't have to care for the children (in the form of state benefits), then who cares," and I am simply stating that there may be more at risk than just our tax dollars, and that it is worth being educated about, and studying possible detrimental effects.

Yes but what about the families not on your case load? The ones with big families raising them in a great environment. You don't encounter those families so your perception of large families is tainted! I am a teacher in a diverse school. I see families of multiple kids who can't take care of them and also big families who have the nicest, politest, most selfless kids. It is the same with families with two kids.
 
dogluva said:
And to think that my son who is the oldest six who is getting his MBA,s intelligence is watered down! Oh and his two younger sisters, one a junior honors student in college and the other going to college in the fall for nursing,s development was delayed! I have to make sure my boys in middle school stop making high honors, they didn't know they were less intelligent than their peers from two child families. There is hope for my fourth grader-I will tell her no stop scoring advanced on her MCAS tests. Silly me, I forgot to i late their environments!

Sorry for the typos- this article is so offending to me as a mother of six high functioning kids. I lost my ability to type.
 
tinatark said:
Here's the thing - if you don't agree with how many children they have or how they choose to raise them - don't watch them! Don't watch the show, don't tune in to interviews, etc.!

That works for me with many of today's shows - Sister Wives :) The Kardashians :) The girls Next Door :) Jersey Shore:) Teen Mom:) Real Wives of Wherever :)

Or, if you don't want to hear any criticism of a tv show you enjoy, don't read threads on discussions boards about them!

Personally, I like watching freak shows. Even if I don't agree with how certain freaks live their lives, I still get some entertainment out of it. I also like commenting on discussion boards about some of these freaks. So as long as it it gives me some enjoyment, I'm going to keep watching and keep commenting. Works for me!
 














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