Annenberg Foundation, Obama & Ayers

[AlexTina]

We are afraid of him because of what he represents. Even the folks in his own party didn't want him until he won the nomination. Now they have to pretend to support him because he represents their party.

BILL CLINTON:

"I mean when is the last time we elected a president based on one year of service in the Senate before he started running? In theory, we could find someone who is a gifted television commentator and let them run. They'd have only one year less experience in national politics."

JOE BIDEN:

"I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on the job training."

HILLARY CLINTON:

"So you decide which makes more sense: Entrust our country to someone who is ready on day one...or to put America in the hands of someone with little national or international experience, who started running for president the day he arrived in the U.S. Senate."

There are many more. His own party doesn't want him or trust him but you expect us too. The only reason they support him now is because they have no choice. I'd love to be a fly on the wall and know what they're all saying behind closed doors.

Tina

 

[Charade]

Oh, please. Ever listen to NPR? There's person after person on the radio saying they won't vote for a candidate of color. Period.


There were the "he's a Muslim" campaigns, the "he's not really American" "he's a terrorist" etc. etc. etc.

Everybody can see where it points to with these fear and trust tatics.

There's a better case to be made for Obama's inexperience, but when that didn't sell, they rush to the terrorist angle, and try to play on rural America's deep-seated fears.

You said...

Originally Posted by jodifla
Lauri, they don't want the facts.

They want to be scared of the black man that rose up from nothing to do quite well.

(As opposed to the spoiled military brat who rode on his family's coattails.)


Oh please. Indeed.

 

[Charade]

I am reading the responses and somehow they don't match the article.

That's because Jodi hijacked the thread by injecting the race card.

 

[Island_Lauri]

We are afraid of him because of what he represents. Even the folks in his own party didn't want him until he won the nomination. Now they have to pretend to support him because he represents their party.

BILL CLINTON:

"I mean when is the last time we elected a president based on one year of service in the Senate before he started running? In theory, we could find someone who is a gifted television commentator and let them run. They'd have only one year less experience in national politics."

JOE BIDEN:

"I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on the job training."

HILLARY CLINTON:

"So you decide which makes more sense: Entrust our country to someone who is ready on day one...or to put America in the hands of someone with little national or international experience, who started running for president the day he arrived in the U.S. Senate."

There are many more. His own party doesn't want him or trust him but you expect us too. The only reason they support him now is because they have no choice. I'd love to be a fly on the wall and know what they're all saying behind closed doors.

Tina

"Suppose you had to choose between two Presidential candidates, one of whom had spent 20 years in Congress plus had considerable other relevant experience and the other of whom had about half a dozen years in the Illinois state legislature and 2 years in Congress. Which one do you think would make a better President? If you chose #1, congratulations, you picked James Buchanan over Abraham Lincoln. Your pick disagrees with that of most historians, who see Lincoln as the greatest President ever and Buchanan as the second worst ever, better only than Warren "Teapot Dome" Harding. Both served in what was probably the most difficult period in American history, where slavery and secession tore the nation asunder.

Before becoming President, Buchanan had served 6 years in the Pennsylvania state legislature, 10 years in the U.S. House of Representatives, 4 years as ambassador to Russia, 10 years in the Senate, 4 years as Secretary of State, and 4 years as Ambassador to England. Talk about experience, Buchanan did just about everything except serve on the Supreme Court, a job he was offered by President Polk and refused. Yet by any measure, he wasn't up to the job as President. In contrast, Abraham Lincoln served 8 years in the Illinois legislature and one term in the U.S. House (1847-1849), a decade before becoming President. The rest of the time he was a lawyer in private practice, a bit thin one might say"

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Info/experience.html


As far as your last statement, I think you may be projecting the hard core fundamentalists feelings toward John McCain onto Obama Supporters.

 

[Charade]

Simply because expressions like MM used make the Obama Supporters believe what Jodi said is true.

Perhaps and I can't speak for MM but MY interpretation of her using GD was not an attempt to attack his color but to highlight (similar to using "freaking") the absurdity and fallacy of Jodi's comment.

 

[jodifla]

Perhaps and I can't speak for MM but MY interpretation of her using GD was not an attempt to attack his color but to highlight (similar to using "freaking") the absurdity and fallacy of Jodi's comment.

I apologize for taking the thread off-course.

 

[jodifla]

Lauri, I thought it was wonderfully cynical (that, or she's really stupid) that Palin took a New York Times article that said the two weren't really connected and twisted into "they're pals."

And now, you have the Republican campaign stops turned into ugly, ugly rabble rousing (He's a terrorist! Kill him!!! etc. etc.) Wow! That makes America look good, doesn't it.

I'm sure this makes the Republican faithful happy. But I'm pretty sure as well that it will drive away independents.

McCain and Palin now KNOW this stuff is going on at their rallys, and they have an obligaion to SPEAK UP and STOP the hate speech against Obama.

 

[Magic Mom]

his color is GD? Do you really believe that G-D d@mned him with his skin color? I apologize if I am mistaken but I can only think of 1 meaning for that abbreviation. Perhaps you have another that I am missing?

No you got the meaning, but not the empahsis... <sigh> I'm not damning his color, I was emphasizing that the color is not the issue. If this helps....I'm not voting for JM because of his GD color.
I apologize for being angry enought o swera, but I cannot stand to be labeled a racisist simpley because I may disagree with the candidate who happens to be black.
Go ahead, call me racist. Spend the rest of the day race baiting if you want. I give up. if that makes you feel superior then more power to you.

 

[mickeysgal]

McCain's whole current campaign is based on fear: "Obama, can't be trusted" is one of the taglines!

Wow. That is one big chip on your shoulder.

Don't like something? Pull out the worn out race card.

Unbelievable.

 

[Magic Mom]

Perhaps and I can't speak for MM but MY interpretation of her using GD was not an attempt to attack his color but to highlight (similar to using "freaking") the absurdity and fallacy of Jodi's comment.

Thank you, of course that's what I meant but some poeple just see through a filter of hate.

 

[Magic Mom]

OK, back to the OP: Yes, this is what's being reported. But the neo-cons don't like their facts. Like like their innuendo.

No, we interpret the facts much as you interpret the facts.

 

[jodifla]

No, we interpret the facts much as you interpret the facts.

So why is your candidate going so negative?? Why isn't he stopping the "Kill him" and "Terrorist" comments??? They both know it's going on now. It's in all the newspapers.

 

[Charade]

So why is your candidate going so negative?? Why isn't he stopping the "Kill him" and "Terrorist" comments??? They both know it's going on now. It's in all the newspapers.

How do you propose he/they do that?

 

[jodifla]

How do you propose he/they do that?

Uh, by saying it's inappropriate at the rallys. McCain has done this before in earlier campaigning, when people trotted out Baracks middle name, but he's not doing it now.

I don't see hate and venom at the Democratic rallys. The hate and venom is on the OTHER side.

 

[DawnCt1]

How do you propose he/they do that?

Call in the Obama Truth Squads!

 

[Yen Sid]

I think Obama is the better canidate because he has not been in political office very long, I know in my area of the country that seems to be the trend lately, vote for the person with the least amount of political experience. I like that idea, take someone like McCain who has been in office longer than I can remember, he owes a lot of favors that people are going to collect on if he gets elected, you go through your political career getting and giving favors which will be collected on in the future. Also with someone who has been in office forever you get the status quo, neglecting the needs of the "PEOPLE", only worried about themselves and how much money they can squeeze out of the taxpayer in the form of pork.

 

[What the Heck]

I have noticed that. Any thread that has facts and documented information in it dies a quick death but those threads that are full of editorial opinions are bumped up with more of the same.

Oh, yea. It's the facts. How many from the left have been blasting McCain and/or Palin for "lieing" if they changed their position by even just a little bit? But Obama has a documented relationship, one you just documented, that he called "well he lived in my neighborhood" trying to dismiss it, but that isn't a lie? Where is the faux outrage for that?

 

[ChrisFL]

How do you propose he/they do that?

Speaking out against that would be a good start...telling his supporters that they need to be respectful but I guess McCain won't do that, yelling "That One!" didn't help

 

[Magic Mom]

So why is your candidate going so negative?? Why isn't he stopping the "Kill him" and "Terrorist" comments??? They both know it's going on now. It's in all the newspapers.

Why on Earth would he give attention to that handful of sick nutsos? Going public about their foul language only furthers their cause. You can't reason with that kind of hate (on either side). Those sort of people will hate and spew ugliness no matter what Jm says.
During the last election there was terrible hatred for Bush. People wanted him hung, shot, etc. Why would Kerryaddress that kind of garbage? It wouldn't change them, it wuld only give them more publicity for their message of hate.

 

[jodifla]

Why on Earth would he give attention to that handful of sick nutsos? Going public about their foul language only furthers their cause. You can't reason with that kind of hate (on either side). Those sort of people will hate and spew ugliness no matter what Jm says.
During the last election there was terrible hatred for Bush. People wanted him hung, shot, etc. Why would Kerryaddress that kind of garbage? It wouldn't change them, it wuld only give them more publicity for their message of hate.

When you hear people yelling out "Kill him" in your rallys, it's your responsibiity to end it then and there. What kind of leader are you if you can't speak up for what's right in your own campaign rallys??

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081010/pl_politico/14445;_ylt=ApmRKJXKqVjuGdWq0sUFzXsb.3QA


With McCain passing up the opportunity to level any tough personal shots in his first two debates and the very real prospect of an Obama presidency setting in, the sort of hard-core partisan activists who turn out for campaign events are venting in unusually personal terms.

"Terrorist!” one man screamed Monday at a New Mexico rally after McCain voiced the campaign’s new rhetorical staple aimed at raising doubts about the Illinois senator: “Who is the real Barack Obama?”

"He's a damn liar!” yelled a woman Wednesday in Pennsylvania. "Get him. He's bad for our country

and

Activists outside rallies openly talk about Obama as a terrorist, citing his name and purported ties to Islam in the fashion of the viral emails that have rocketed around the Internet for over a year now.

Some of this activity is finding its way into the events, too.

On Thursday, as one man in the audience asked a question about Obama’s associations, the crowd erupted in name-calling.

"Obama Osama!" one woman called out.

And twice this week, local officials have warmed up the crowd by railing against “Barack Hussein Obama.”