Andrea Yates-Not guilty due to insanity

mom2taylorandemily said:
I think we are all forgetting that she is an intelligent woman here.


Intelligence and insanity are NOT mutually exclusive.

One can be both intelligent and extremely insane.
 
mom2taylorandemily said:
I also think her husband should have been held accountable in this as well. He went off to work everyday, leaving her with all those children knowing full well that she was not of sound mind. That was negligent, and for that he holds some accountability. I know I will get flamed big time for this, but it is only my opinion.

This is my biggest problem with what happened. Her Husband has not been held accountable WHATSOEVER. He knew that she wasn't stable, and that she was dangerous to the point of hurting those kids, and he still left her alone with them. Shouldn't he have been held responsible also. It just doesn't sit well with me at all.
 
After doing much research and debate I have come to a conclusion long ago that she was Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity. Back in 2002, when she was found Guilty, I was outragged as to how our legal system operated. However, today after hearing the verdit, I am satisfied. She was clearly not in the right state of mind, no one can deny that.

I am so happy for her because now hopefully she can get the help she so desperately needs and deserves. I am so thankful to her family of both sides sticking by her side at this time of need.

By no way am I saying what she did was right by any means. She clearly admitted to it after it occured; however, because it was proven she was not in her right state of mind the correct verdit was issued.

Also, I would like to say she is not going to be let out on the streets, by any means. She will simply be getting help in a mental hospital rather than being in prison.

Note: This is just my opinion, no flames please! :wave:
 

Just my opinion, but I think it is the wrong verdict. And I still believe that Rusty Yates should be held accountable too.
 
mom2taylorandemily said:
I also think her husband should have been held accountable in this as well. He went off to work everyday, leaving her with all those children knowing full well that she was not of sound mind. That was negligent, and for that he holds some accountability. I know I will get flamed big time for this, but it is only my opinion.


Guilty or not - insane or not - she needs to be "incarcerated" for life and needs medical attention for life. Jail or Mental instution doesn't matter to me as long as she's not allowed to have any more children and not allowed to be with the general public ever again.

As for good old Rusty Yates- I agree with you 100%.
 
mom2taylorandemily said:
Just my opinion, but I think it is the wrong verdict.

And that is the good thing about America, we are all allowed to have our own opinions and share them with one another! No one is denying you that right. :teeth:
 
andromedaslove said:
This is my biggest problem with what happened. Her Husband has not been held accountable WHATSOEVER. He knew that she wasn't stable, and that she was dangerous to the point of hurting those kids, and he still left her alone with them. Shouldn't he have been held responsible also. It just doesn't sit well with me at all.

I totally agree with this also. DH and I have talked about this more than once. Rusty Yates KNEW that his wife was unstable, stressed out, psychotic, etc. and still left her at home with them while he was out. He insisted that they be homeschooled (I think only the oldest one was actually old enough to be in school), not in daycare. The doctors had already told her after their 4th son was born that Andrea Yates should not have anymore kids. Obviously, her husband was not worried about it. I'm not convinced that he didn't manipulate the entire situation to get out of this marriage and start a new life just as he has done. DH said that if I ever hurt our kids, he would probably KILL me. Of course, this was all in the context of us discussing the Yates case. How can anyone have their spouse murder all of their children and not feel some ill will towards them though????
 
MareQ said:
Jail or Mental instution doesn't matter to me as long as she's not allowed to have any more children

I do agree with this. I know this will get me flamed big time, but I would like to have some stipulation for sterilization in her sentence.

This woman should not, under any circumstances, be able to bear children again. {putting flame-suit on now}
 
Deb in IA said:
I do agree with this. I know this will get me flamed big time, but I would like to have some stipulation for sterilization in her sentence.

This woman should not, under any circumstances, be able to bear children again. {putting flame-suit on now}

No flames here -- I agree with you 100%
 
Deb in IA said:
I do agree with this. I know this will get me flamed big time, but I would like to have some stipulation for sterilization in her sentence.

This woman should not, under any circumstances, be able to bear children again. {putting flame-suit on now}
I TOTALLY 100% AGREE!!!!!!!!
 
cindi said:
I disagree.

She knew enough to chase her child around the house as he was running to get away. She knew exactly what she was doing. And I'm so tired of people killing and then pleading insanity to get off. Shame on our legal system. And shame on the people that didn't follow the proper rules and allowed the first verdict, the correct one in my opinion to be changed.

EXACTLY!! She knew what she was doing and should have to pay FIVE times for it ... eye for an eye ... it may seem harsh to some, but she should have the same done to her.
 
andromedaslove said:
This is my biggest problem with what happened. Her Husband has not been held accountable WHATSOEVER. He knew that she wasn't stable, and that she was dangerous to the point of hurting those kids, and he still left her alone with them. Shouldn't he have been held responsible also. It just doesn't sit well with me at all.

ITA!!

This man should have been held accountable because he had been repeatedly warned that she was suffering and that the children could be harmed but did nothing.

I agree that this was, finally, the right verdict the poor woman is living in hell on earth worse than any jail could be.
 
Rusty Yates KNEW that his wife was unstable, stressed out, psychotic, etc. and still left her at home with them while he was out.

Also, I was reading thast Rusty wanted Adrea to keep having kids - talk about the pressure leading up to the breaking point, jeez! Something about him is very odd to me, it is almost as if he knows he is at fault for it.
 
Deb in IA said:
I do agree with this. I know this will get me flamed big time, but I would like to have some stipulation for sterilization in her sentence.

This woman should not, under any circumstances, be able to bear children again. {putting flame-suit on now}

No, I agree with you. I can't imagine she could ever be released from an institution though.
 
Deb in IA said:
I do agree with this. I know this will get me flamed big time, but I would like to have some stipulation for sterilization in her sentence.

This woman should not, under any circumstances, be able to bear children again. {putting flame-suit on now}
Legally the judge cannot do this. Ms. Yates now goes to a mental institution where she will get the treatment that she needs. This is a civil committment and she can not be released until it is established that she is sane and not a danger to herself or others. Texas law makes it very difficult for her to get out of the mental institution. However, the judge has no discretion or right to impose any conditions on her such as no more children under the law.

As a practical matter, it will be years before Ms. Yates will be able to be released under the best of circumstances. In the event that she has children, the relevant state or local agency will have the right to intervene at that time if there is any real evidence of a risk. That issue is years away at best because the Texas procedure will make it very difficult for Ms. yates to prove that she is sane and cured.
 
MareQ said:
Guilty or not - insane or not - she needs to be "incarcerated" for life and needs medical attention for life. Jail or Mental instution doesn't matter to me as long as she's not allowed to have any more children and not allowed to be with the general public ever again.

As for good old Rusty Yates- I agree with you 100%.
::yes::
 
TheDoctor said:
That issue is years away at best because the Texas procedure will make it very difficult for Ms. yates to prove that she is sane and cured.
From what I understand, the vast majority of mental disorders are simply not curable. At best, they can be managed with medication and/or therapy.

Considering the severity of the case, I doubt she will ever be released and trusted to take care of herself properly.
 
Deb in IA said:
I do agree with this. I know this will get me flamed big time, but I would like to have some stipulation for sterilization in her sentence.

This woman should not, under any circumstances, be able to bear children again. {putting flame-suit on now}

I don't think she should be permitted to even be around them in any sense, let alone have any more.
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't her husband or her mother with her at all times and on this particular day there happened to be a small window where that didn't happen. I thought I remembered reading this somewhere.
 


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