An Inconvenient Truth...

[TheDoctor]

Here's another one. The numbers are accurate.

How do you know? You are relying on drudge vetted source and drudge has been wrong so many times that it is not even funny.

 

[Charade]

How do you know? You are relying on drudge vetted source and drudge has been wrong so many times that it is not even funny.

An earlier MSNBC story stated that Gore didn't deny the numbers and they were a matter of public record. I'll see if I can find the link.

 

[bsnyder]

Here are some additional facts.

First, the right wing slime machine did not get their information from the ultility and so I wonder what they are basing this report on. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17369241/Second, Vice President Gore's office has passed the following information on. http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/2/26/21750/6965/394#c394

100 percent of the power the Gores use in their home (and in all their homes though I wouldn't bring this up) is green power.

This particular talking point from Gore's office had me

BTW, just how many Gore homes are there, in all? Anybody know?

 

[Andy B]

And in thirty years, there will be a new truth. There always is. Thirty years ago we were all supposed to be panicked about the fact that we were entering an ice age.

There will always be scientists that look for disaster and mayhem around every corner, and there will always be people that are ready and willing to be frightened by what the scientists say.

SSDD.

And there will allways be people who will not accept a truth which may affect the way they wish to live their lives.

 

[Andy B]

I don't get that either, Galahad. Nor do I get the whole "I'm doing, so you need to do it too!" attitude.

Want to go to all CFLs? Have at it! But unless you're paying my electric bill, the kind of bulb I use is not anyone else's business.

It's my world and i'll spoil it as fast as I want

 

[conciergekelly]

Do you want to persuade or do you want to win an argument? Telling somebody "you're stupid - stop being stupid and be like me and all will be well" is not a great way to win friends and influence people.

Was this aimed at me? If so I never said that I said any one is stupid nor did I say be like me. I asked a question, POLITELY. If that makes you feel inferior that is your problem. It seems to me that your post is "no way to win friends or influence people".

My whole point since I have gotten on here is that it is ashame that some people let their personal and political feelings of Gore cloud what could be an important discussion. I take the middle ground and say maybe you don't like Gore and maybe you don't buy Global warming but it seems to me that there are little things that we can all do to help our children's future, whether or not GW comes to pass. If you don't want to that is fine. But I got accused of telling people they were stupid and assuming that Bucknaked didn't love his children.

 

[JPN4265]

Just watched it.

I am at a loss for words.

Very powerful and very scary

I watched alot of scary movies when I was young also. The "Day After" scared me also, but it was fiction and so is Al Gore's movie. Until we can come to an agreement on the environment, I'm not going to change my lifestyle because of one movie that sole purpose was to make money and form nonthinking peoples opinions.

 

[Andy B]

I watched alot of scary movies when I was young also. The "Day After" scared me also, but it was fiction and so is Al Gore's movie. Until we can come to an agreement on the environment, I'm not going to change my lifestyle because of one movie that sole purpose was to make money and form nonthinking peoples opinions.

Do you reject all the reports of Global warming trends as fiction also?

 

[Charade]

Do you reject all the reports of Global warming trends as fiction also?

I'm not rejecting reports of global warming trends. I question the claim the man is the primary cause. And I don't appreciate the "scare" tactics. Over in England (I think), some kids are losing sleep because they're afraid. Who's scaring them?

 

[Andy B]

I'm not rejecting reports of global warming trends. I question the claim the man is the primary cause. And I don't appreciate the "scare" tactics. Over in England (I think), some kids are losing sleep because they're afraid. Who's scaring them?

That's strange are you JPN4265 as well or do you feel free to answer for them.

What's scaring the children? Probably people with, it is not happening, its not my fault, we can do nothing about it attitudes.

 

[BuckNaked]

It's my world and i'll spoil it as fast as I want

No one is stopping you from changing your light bulbs, walking or bicycling everywhere you go, or doing anything else you want to do vis a vis global warming. Have at it!

I'm not sure why it bothers you so much what *I* choose to do - is it because you feel that if you change your lifestyle, everyone else should have to do it too?

It seems to me that if you feel you are doing everything you should be doing, that would be good enough for you.

 

[Charade]

That's strange are you JPN4265 as well or do you feel free to answer for them.

Neither.

What's scaring the children? Probably people with, it is not happening, its not my fault, we can do nothing about it attitudes.

Really???? Actually, it's the dire predictions of what will happen if nothing is done immediately. It's the same scare tactics used 30 years ago about global cooling. It's the same scare tactics used during the cold war. And it's the same people.

 

[BuckNaked]

But I got accused of telling people they were stupid and assuming that Bucknaked didn't love his children.

With all due respect, when you say that you're unplugging your appliances and turning down your thermostat because you care about your kids, the clear implication is that those of us that aren't buying into the latest panic don't care about our children and grandchilidren.

BTW, I'm a she not a he - common mistake.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Neither.



Really???? Actually, it's the dire predictions of what will happen if nothing is done immediately. It's the same scare tactics used 30 years ago about global cooling. It's the same scare tactics used during the cold war. And it's the same people.

that sequence in the movie where they show NY and Florida all underwater is pretty scary. I don't have kids, but I don't think I'd show that film to young ones if I did. Especially if they live in those states. They don't understand that this potential flood is a LONG way away, even if nothing changes. I remember the global cooling scare and asking my Dad if we would still go on vacation in the summer when it was cold all the time. I also remember being put out in the hallways at school for "bomb drills". I used to have nightmares about the bomb going off while I was at school and I survived but my parents were dead. This was 3rd grade, what was I-eight??

I'm not sure why it bothers you so much what *I* choose to do - is it because you feel that if you change your lifestyle, everyone else should have to do it too?

It seems to me that if you feel you are doing everything you should be doing, that would be good enough for you.

That's how I view it. I'm buying my funny looking lightbulbs, keeping the car in the garage 3 days a week and doing my recycling. That's how I'm dealing with it. How everyone else chooses to respond is up to them.

 

[Andy B]

Really???? Actually, it's the dire predictions of what will happen if nothing is done immediately. It's the same scare tactics used 30 years ago about global cooling. It's the same scare tactics used during the cold war. And it's the same people.

I wish I had the certainty you seem to have at least I usually put seems, probably or some other qualifier in my thoughts whereas you profess to KNOW!

I was not aware of Al Gore making those comments in 1976 regarding global cooling or the cold war.

 

[BuckNaked]

I was not aware of Al Gore making those comments in 1976 regarding global cooling or the cold war.

I don't think it was Al Gore, but rather the doomsayers of that period.

 

[Andy B]

And it's the same people.

 

[NELSON]

U.S Border Patrol agents have begun putting the clamps on scores of undocumented aliens who attempt to leave this country illegally. The exodus is a recent phenomenon, and one that is causing a good deal of concern.

“They usually don’t migrate from north to south,” said Border Patrol spokesman Terry Dolance. “It goes against their genetic make-up. Something is spooking them and I’m not exactly sure what it is. It could be the recent spate of immigration raids. But I suspect it has something to do with global warming; just like that angry guy who spits a lot says.”

Global warming proponents agree that severe winter weather across the country could play a role in driving aliens out of America.

“Look, these folks are not prepared for the effects of global warming,” said Berkeley professor of climatology Fig DuBois. “The record snowfalls. The extremely cold temperatures. The sleet and ice storms. They come from countries with warm climates. They are simply not equipped to deal with this.”

Regardless of the reason for the exodus, the work can be risky although at least one man revels in the challenge.

“Is it dangerous?” asked Border Patrol officer Martin Solsberg rhetorically. “It can be. But the simple fact is these little buggers are more scared of you than you are of them. Given the opportunity they’d much rather run away and take a nap in the sun some place. However, when that sunshine is taken away and replaced with blizzards and wintry weather, they can be very unpredictable. ”

 

[TheDoctor]

Until we can come to an agreement on the environment, I'm not going to change my lifestyle because of one movie that sole purpose was to make money and form nonthinking peoples opinions.

The scientific community has come into agreement on this issue. There is a concept called peer review where respectable journals and publications have other scientists in the field review an article before it is published. The tobacco companies used to have problems with peer review and so they paid scientists to produce fake articles that were "published" in fake or none-peer reviewed publications. EXXON and the AEI have been using the same trick until EXXON decided to cut off the AEI's funding.

A review of the peer reviewed studies show that there have been no peer reviewed studies in the last ten years that disagree with global warming. It is only in the none-peer review world that there is any disagreement http://www.dicksonherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070228/NEWS01/702280434/1297/MTCN02

Back in Tennessee on Tuesday, Gore told a crowd of about 50 people at the U.S. Media Ethics Summit II that the presentation's single most provocative slide was one that contrasts results of two long-term studies. A 10-year University of California study found that essentially zero percent of peer-reviewed scientific journal articles disagreed that global warming exists, whereas, another study found that 53 percent of mainstream newspaper articles disagreed the global warming premise.

He noted that recently the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released its fourth unanimous report calling on world leaders to take action on global warming.

"I believe that is one of the principal reasons why political leaders around the world have not yet taken action," Gore said. "There are many reasons, but one of the principal reasons in my view is more than half of the mainstream media have rejected the scientific consensus implicitly — and I say 'rejected,' perhaps it's the wrong word. They have failed to report that it is the consensus and instead have chosen … balance as bias.

"I don't think that any of the editors or reporters responsible for one of these stories saying, 'It may be real, it may not be real,' is unethical. But I think they made the wrong choice, and I think the consequences are severe.

"I think if it is important to look at the pressures that made it more likely than not that mainstream journalists in the United States would convey a wholly inaccurate conclusion about the most important moral, ethical, spiritual and political issue humankind has ever faced."

Again, according to the study cited, all peer review studies support global warming.

 

[User Name]

The scientific community has come into agreement on this issue.

No. They haven't.