Amsterdam to use full body scans on all flights to US

[Buzz's Buddy]

All passengers on flights to US must submit to the full body scans. The article says anyone who does not go through will be "bodysearched", whatever that means.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/30/airline.terror.schiphol/index.html

 

[jlewisinsyr]

All passengers on flights to US must submit to the full body scans. The article says anyone who does not go through will be "bodysearched", whatever that means.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/30/airline.terror.schiphol/index.html

They'll be hear in the US (there are a few airports that have them already) for all flights. I see no issues with them personally, they're not as invasive as a pat down or body search.

 

[Heidijs]

Kinky!

 

[goofieslonglostsis]

The article says anyone who does not go through will be "bodysearched", whatever that means.

The info being given right now is that this will consist of a 'pad down'. Don't be fooled though, our pad downs tend to be a bit more.... hands on intimate than the 'average' ones.

The body scans at AMS will be in effect within 3 weeks. Untill then, the padding will be standard. As these new checks are solely put into place for the US-bound flights, we can be certain these extra checks will be done at the extra security check they do before you're allowed to enter the secured gate waiting area.

 

[NHdisneylover]

I have no issue with this at all. Then again, I had no issue with DS getting a full pat down after his shoes set off the detectors in Amsterdam earlier this month (didn't phase DS10 at all either--seems he totally gets the difference between someone doing their job in full view of 100s of people and someone trying to harm him.) I personally really do not understand why these things get people so worked up.

 

[FireDancer]

I have no issue with this at all. Then again, I had no issue with DS getting a full pat down after his shoes set off the dectors in Amsterdam earlier this month (didn't phase DS10 at all either--seems he totally gets the difference between someone doing their job in full view of 100s of people and someone trying to harm him.) I personally really do not understand why these thigns get people so worekd up.

A lot of people are making the jump from a security image to their "naked photo" being plastered on TMZ. I'm all for them and while I don't think they in themselves will be the holy grail of safety they will form one part of the overall whole that is airport security.

 

[NHdisneylover]

A lot of people are making the jump from a security image to their "naked photo" being plastered on TMZ. I'm all for them and while I don't think they in themselves will be the holy grail of safety they will form one part of the overall whole that is airport security.

Thanks. I did realize many people are making that jump. However, I fail to understand how anyone can do even 5 minutes worth of research and come to that conclusion. Quite honestly, if if that could happen (which I do not believe), I wouldn't really care if a photo that no one (not even myself or DH) could recognize as me showed up on TMZ from it anyhow.

BTW-- I do not think it will be a holy grail of security either. I don't think there can be one holy grail. It is just a patchwork of various things which all help in their own little ways (well, not everything really even helps IMHO--some things are just feel good measures)--and we will never be 100% safe. Life involves risk.

 

[bavaria]

You assume that people do '5 minutes of research'. While I freely admit that the regulations this week were poorly implemented, poorly executed, and poorly reported upon, a quick search here shows that people leap to some very large conclusions.

It was the same way when the liquid ban came into place - the sky was falling and the rational posters were not heard.

I see that Tozzie has been using the bold and the underline keys a lot of this week to try and explain that WE were impacted, not flights from MSP to MCO, but still wasn't heard.

I'm off to eat some chocolate now to keep my tongue otherwise occupied.

 

[NHdisneylover]

You assume that people do '5 minutes of research'.

You are correct--I am giving people far too much credit That just brings up something else I have never really understood: getting all worked up by something without having at least a minimal understanding of what you are getting worked up about. Seems like a waste of energy to me.

 

[TillyMarigold]

I don't mind them from a privacy standpoint (they're less detailed and less identifiable than your average X-ray!), BUT:

My home airport has 5 regular metal detector/puffer combos (that each serve 2 lines) and 1 full body scanner (that has 1 line). It is totally optional which one you go through. When I went to WDW last year, there were only 3 people in the full body scanner line so I figured I'd do that. So I was the 4th person in a line going through 1 machine, my DH was the 8th person in a regular line.

It took me 25 minutes from the time I got in that line to the time I got through. DH had been waiting for me for 15 minutes and was afraid I'd gotten hauled off by the TSA.

That means it takes an average of 6 minutes per person to go through a full body scan and a bit over 1 minute per person to go through the metal detector/puffer.

Which means that going through security once every airport is using full body scans may take SIX TIMES AS LONG AS IT DOES NOW. Which means that at, for example, O'Hare or Newark or LAX, you may be standing in that security line for HOURS.

 

[NHdisneylover]

I don't mind them from a privacy standpoint (they're less detailed and less identifiable than your average X-ray!), BUT:

My home airport has 5 regular metal detector/puffer combos (that each serve 2 lines) and 1 full body scanner (that has 1 line). It is totally optional which one you go through. When I went to WDW last year, there were only 3 people in the full body scanner line so I figured I'd do that. So I was the 4th person in a line going through 1 machine, my DH was the 8th person in a regular line.

It took me 25 minutes from the time I got in that line to the time I got through. DH had been waiting for me for 15 minutes and was afraid I'd gotten hauled off by the TSA.

That means it takes an average of 6 minutes per person to go through a full body scan and a bit over 1 minute per person to go through the metal detector/puffer.

Which means that going through security once every airport is using full body scans may take SIX TIMES AS LONG AS IT DOES NOW. Which means that at, for example, O'Hare or Newark or LAX, you may be standing in that security line for HOURS.

Interesting. IF it really did increase security waits six fold I can see that these scanners would create a huge problem. However, one time moving slowly through such scanners really does not tell us much. Often, there will be a random line which moves much, much more slowly than the others. It just happens once in a while. This can certainly be exacerbated by a new equipment/procedure being somewhat unfamiliar to the screener and very unfamiliar to the passengers. Almost ANY new technique slows things down initially while passengers and screeners become accustomed to it. Perhaps that is all the problem was--though it does look like this could take longer and that might pose a legitimate issue.
At what point is a longer wait not worth the increased security I am really not sure. I know it takes longer to have people take off jackets, coats and shoes and pull out baggies of liquids and laptops (tough that gets faster all the time as more and more travellers learn the rules and know how to move quickly through the process).