Americans and Canadians culture Q&A Thread.

[declansdad]

Most of the cost overruns the author of the biased article talks about from other events are from the construction of venues. That won't come into play for the World Cup as the facilities are already there.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Most of the cost overruns the author of the biased article talks about from other events are from the construction of venues. That won't come into play for the World Cup as the facilities are already there.

Canadian stadiums need upgrades though. Training facilities might need some too.

 

[declansdad]

The USA was going to host alone but Canada/Mexico wanted to tag along (and auto qualify). To be fair the USA usually makes money when others don’t because all the advertisers and facilities are already here. It’s why China wanted to have a contract with the IOC and FIFA for the next 20 years to host. They were rejected, thank goodness.

Not quite. All three countries had said they were going to bid before coming together for a joint bid.

 

[declansdad]

Canadian stadiums need upgrades though. Training facilities might need some too.

Upgrades are not new builds.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Not quite. All three countries had said they were going to bid before coming together for a joint bid.

True. I meant the USA was going to bid a second time alone after the 2022 bid failed. The other two countries asked to join the bid.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Upgrades are not new builds.

Still not cheap to be FIFA compliant.

 

[ronandannette]

Will you buy a CanMNT Les Rouges jersey though?

No - not at all. Why would I?

 

[Buzz Rules]

No - not at all. Why would I?

It’s the Canada World Cup team jersey. I meant when the World Cup comes to Canada will you buy merchandise? If Canadians did that, the money would probably go into Canada’s hands instead of FIFA.

 

[ronandannette]

It’s the Canada World Cup team jersey. I meant when the World Cup comes to Canada will you buy merchandise? If Canadians did that, the money would probably go into Canada’s hands instead of FIFA.

No, I'm not interested in the merchandise. And even if I did buy it, if anything I would be contributing to the indirect revenue generated (benefitting the retailer, as well as the licensee, who is probably FIFA). It would not go back into the public coffers the tournament expenses came out of, except in the very most distant way, say maybe business taxes paid by the retailer or income tax paid by the clerk that sold it.

 

[Buzz Rules]

No, I'm not interested in the merchandise. And even if I did buy it, if anything I would be contributing to the indirect revenue generated (benefitting the retailer, as well as the licensee, who is probably FIFA). It would not go back into the public coffers the tournament expenses came out of, except in the very most distant way, say maybe business taxes paid by the retailer or income tax paid by the clerk that sold it.

Well, the USA is paying for 90% of the tournament, so Canada is getting off easy along with an automatic spot which was their main goal anyway.

Edit: this post was not meant in anyway to say that the USA is better than Canada. My point was to simply state that the USA is paying the most in tax payer money in comparison to our North American neighbors. Some here are happy about it. Others are not. That’s the last I want to talk about the WC on this thread (I have enough other ones to do so).

 

[prairie_girl]

Deleted because I think at this point you’re just stirring the pot on purpose.

Have fun on your thread. It was fun before it turned into another soccer thread.

 

[SirDuff]

Honestly, Buzz, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt because you seem like a nice guy, but you do often come across to me (and I can see others) with a lot of the “the US is the best”, “the US can do no wrong”, “your country is lucky that we’re around”. The US is a great country (like all countries, it has some major faults), but it does get tiring.

As I said, I’ll assume you don’t mean to come across as a jingoistic jerk (okay, I’m sure you don’t - using some hyperbole), but pointing that sometimes it does comes across as described.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Deleted because I think at this point you’re just stirring the pot on purpose.

Have fun on your thread. It was fun before it turned into another soccer thread.

I didn’t, the previous poster brought up the World Cup. I was making a point about the tax money being spent by Canada in comparison to the USA. It’s not about the sport but the money involved. Frankly I wish the USA wasn’t hosting.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Honestly, Buzz, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt because you seem like a nice guy, but you do often come across to me (and I can see others) with a lot of the “the US is the best”, “the US can do no wrong”, “your country is lucky that we’re around”. The US is a great country (like all countries, it has some major faults), but it does get tiring.

As I said, I’ll assume you don’t mean to come across as a jingoistic jerk (okay, I’m sure you don’t - using some hyperbole), but pointing that sometimes it does comes across as described.

I don’t think we are the best at all. The post I made was to simply answer the previous poster. I was saying Canada’s main interest in hosting was solely to gain an automatic spot in that WC. That’s it. It wasn’t an arrogant statement. My point was according to FIFA themselves, the USA was the most profitable WC in 1994 in comparison to all others. It was meant as a fact not an insult. I’m not looking down on Canada. I didn’t bring up soccer for some random reason.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Also any American and Canadian can post whatever appropriate topic they want on this thread. I would love more participation by all Disboarders.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Honestly, Buzz, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt because you seem like a nice guy, but you do often come across to me (and I can see others) with a lot of the “the US is the best”, “the US can do no wrong”, “your country is lucky that we’re around”. The US is a great country (like all countries, it has some major faults), but it does get tiring.

As I said, I’ll assume you don’t mean to come across as a jingoistic jerk (okay, I’m sure you don’t - using some hyperbole), but pointing that sometimes it does comes across as described.

Part of the problem sometimes is that words on the thread can be read one way when it is meant in another way. I never try to come across as arrogant. Am I patriotic about my country? Sure. I’m sure almost all on this board feel that way about their own country in some capacity. My American views are different to some fellow posters and that’s fine. I have always respected everyone’s opinion. I guess I just have to find better words to express mine. I hope you guys enjoy the thread. I going to take a break from it so you guys can talk about things without me.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Deleted because I think at this point you’re just stirring the pot on purpose.

Have fun on your thread. It was fun before it turned into another soccer thread.

I hope you consider to continue posting on the thread. I do enjoy your input. My soccer answer was meant to be short, not several answers long. Sorry for the annoyance.

 

[ronandannette]

DELETED AT BUZZ'S REQUEST

 

[Buzz Rules]

Not sure if this is the right place for this, but I wanted to discuss this latest sad chapter in the most tragic road incident to occur in Canada in two generations:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/cana...newsntp&cvid=43e5b587c6184864a78baa16bee8987e

I just don't know how to feel about it. Such unspeakable loss to occur from a moment's inattention, yet how much easier it would be to rage against the perpetrator if he had been impaired or on his phone, or otherwise engaged in some illegal activity. And what does it say about our justice system? A (relatively) stiff sentence initially imposed based on the legal definitions of the crime, but yet released on conditional parole after serving less than 3 years and full parole eligible in 6 months? On the one hand, we know of far more heinous and deliberate (but no more heartbreaking) crimes that have been punished more leniently, yet does the magnitude of this call for something more?

And should automatic deportation, in accordance with Canadian Immigration laws even be debated? Some of the victims' families have spoken in support of a "mercy ruling" to allow the perpetrator to remain in Canada at the conclusion of his sentence. They find no added measure of relief in harsher treatment. For others, no sentence has been or could be harsh enough to bring peace to their hearts.

Thoughts?

I think a separate thread should be made for this topic to be honest. It may get political and I don’t want this thread to be closed.

 

[prairie_girl]

Not sure if this is the right place for this, but I wanted to discuss this latest sad chapter in the most tragic road incident to occur in Canada in two generations:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/cana...newsntp&cvid=43e5b587c6184864a78baa16bee8987e

I just don't know how to feel about it. Such unspeakable loss to occur from a moment's inattention, yet how much easier it would be to rage against the perpetrator if he had been impaired or on his phone, or otherwise engaged in some illegal activity. And what does it say about our justice system? A (relatively) stiff sentence initially imposed based on the legal definitions of the crime, but yet released on conditional parole after serving less than 3 years and full parole eligible in 6 months? On the one hand, we know of far more heinous and deliberate (but no more heartbreaking) crimes that have been punished more leniently, yet does the magnitude of this call for something more?

And should automatic deportation, in accordance with Canadian Immigration laws even be debated? Some of the victims' families have spoken in support of a "mercy ruling" to allow the perpetrator to remain in Canada at the conclusion of his sentence. They find no added measure of relief in harsher treatment. For others, no sentence has been or could be harsh enough to bring peace to their hearts.

Thoughts?

I missed this news yesterday and, like you, I’m not sure how I feel about it. I still remember finding about the accident, as soon as it hit news sites. I’m very much an empath, so I also think about the pain and horror he has to live with every day.

I’m also not sure how I feel about the deportation. I totally understand why people want him gone, but he admitted guilt right away and didn’t try to make excuses.