Surely you're aware that surety bonds for public officials aren't too dissimilar to liability insurance coverage and only costs a small fraction of the bond value. Many states even require Notary Publics to carry such bonds (though at lower amounts). And people can start small. A local former long-term Congressman from our area that just died started out his career on a local city commission and worked his way up from here. I find the fatalism expressed by so many of "Occupy Whatever" folks and their supporters that they are effectively helpless in their current state due to the evil forces arrayed against them mind boggling.
ok maybe calling the guy with a note deriding OTHER people as useless.....a LEMMING was harsh? wait ....let me think about that...Well .He actually was doing the same...was he not? dismissing a segment of the population saying he made it because he worked hard and they just need to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" and all will be well.
Would you care to comment on items posted like
"...These are inescapable facts. Housing prices have skyrocketed.
How is it that a typical family in 1970s only needed ONE working parent. .....that is not possible today. How is it that our home that I lived in for 20 years..was the cost of my fathers annual income.The average american home NOW is 4-8 times their annual income."
or any of the graphs? I would like to have a discussion on things that matter rather than my tone. Ill try harder not to be dismissive to a person who is clearly being dismissive.ie the super cool NOTE guy...
More than we'll know and for a very long time..... However......
I agree that the "just get a job" sentiments are just as off-base... but standing around with signs largely stating that your woes are the results of others and want others to do something about it seems pretty fatalistic to me.
OK, so what's their "exit strategy"? I mean, we've already been doing this "change" thing for a couple of years now.
From the few, very few people I've talked to in Philly who have been protesting on the weekend, they actually have some legitimate worries and many points that I totally agree with.
It's easy to express common concerns. The real fun starts when your point #2 kicks in. As Acklander pointed out, you know a movement isn't just "left" or "right" when it's endorsed by both the Communist Party USA and the American Nazi Party, and personalities like Nancy Pelosi and David Duke. It'll be entertaining to see what common set of changes will be emerge from this meeting of the minds.
Are you trying to get this thread closed? I think we have had a polite (mostly) non political discussion until now. Why ruin it just to get your partisan digs in?
), getting bailed out of your forclosure, having your school loan paid off after 20 years and only having to pay a small percentage of the loan each year.
Be very very afraid.
Government is there to protect personal property, not take it. Doesn't apply here, but thought the words were good ones.
And I will remind both of you that I am a civil right child a product and participate of a so called movement. The same could and was said of the civil rights movement when we started. Including all the very popular "ism" and how Coloreds were out to "steal" every bodies property and how Black men were going to rape, pillage and plunder if they were not "kept" in their place.
Perhaps my point was a bit too nuanced, but I wasn't trying to pigeonhole "Occupy Whatever" supporters as being either Nazis or Commies. I was speaking to your point that the next phase will include determining "constructive action in fixing the problem." I pointed out two actual, very philosophically different, organizations that have thrown their official support to the "movement" and I will guess would offer two very different sets of "actions". This is just one example of the philosophical "Tower of Babel" that has claimed the "Occupy" label. It's going to be very entertaining to watch what sort of "common ground" comes out of this process, if it ever gets that far, and to see if it will be commonly supported.
AIG.... they get bailed out for making poor investment decisions. They get bailed out with our tax $$$. The end of the year, they throw a huge party and give all of their super high salaried employees bonus checks that are larger than the average yearly pay for some people (the very people who actually paid out with their tax $$). Have I answered and demonstrated who is responsible.. and yes, this is who OWS is going after, those that have done this. They aren't looking to bring down just Corporate America, but Corporate Greedy America.. that is who... Oh, and those bonus checks... I think they may have been exempt from full taxes too.. not too sure... was my answer to your satisfaction.. do you get what we are saying now. We aren't begrudging the average Joe & Mary who work 40+ hours, pay all their bills on time, have made payments to pay off all their loans.... not at all. We are standing up for them.. We are saying if they can do it, why can't greedy corporate America do it without our help.. without Joe & Mary's help..
and if Joe & Mary had lost their jobs, they would have lost their home, their car and their health insurance.. would tax $$'s have bailed them out as they did the large corporations? NO, they would not have.. and have the large corporations paid us back, no they have not. If Joe & Mary do not pay back their debts, they ruin their credit.. The large corporations just continue on... Joe and Mary get further behind... get the bigger picture now....
thank you for this post
