Am I the only one who doesn't get the "Occupy Wallstreet" movements

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Remember the Chicago Board of Trade traders? The ones that posted the sign in their building, "We are the 1%" ? Remember them? They're back and they've distributed a leaflet in Chicago to the 99%.

I can't get the image to post, but here's a link:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/28/traders-talk-back-to-occupy-chicago/

We are Wall Street. It’s our job to make money. Whether it’s a commodity, stock, bond, or some hypothetical piece of fake paper, it doesn’t matter. We would trade baseball cards if it were profitable. I didn’t hear America complaining when the market was roaring to 14,000 and everyone’s 401k doubled every 3 years. Just like gambling, its not a problem until you lose. I’ve never heard of anyone going to Gamblers Anonymous because they won too much in Vegas.

Well now the market crapped out, & even though it has come back somewhat, the government and the average Joes are still looking for a scapegoat. God knows there has to be one for everything. Well, here we are.

Go ahead and continue to take us down, but you’re only going to hurt yourselves. What’s going to happen when we can’t find jobs on the Street anymore? Guess what: We’re going to take yours. We get up at 5am & work until 10pm or later. We’re used to not getting up to pee when we have a position. We don’t take an hour or more for a lunch break. We don’t demand a union. We don’t retire at 50 with a pension. We eat what we kill, and when the only thing left to eat is on your dinner plates, we’ll eat that.

For years teachers and other unionized labor have had us fooled. We were too busy working to notice. Do you really think that we are incapable of teaching 3rd graders and doing landscaping? We’re going to take your cushy jobs with tenure and 4 months off a year and whine just like you that we are so-o-o-o underpaid for building the youth of America. Say goodbye to your overtime, and double time and a half. I’ll be hitting grounders to the high school baseball team for $5k extra a summer, thank you very much.

So now that we’re going to be making $85k a year without upside, Joe Mainstreet is going to have his revenge, right? Wrong! Guess what: we’re going to stop buying the new 80k car, we aren’t going to leave the 35 percent tip at our business dinners anymore. No more free rides on our backs. We’re going to landscape our own back yards, wash our cars with a garden hose in our driveways. Our money was your money. You spent it. When our money dries up, so does yours.

The difference is, you lived off of it, we rejoiced in it. The Obama administration and the Democratic National Committee might get their way and knock us off the top of the pyramid, but it’s really going to hurt like hell for them when our fat a**es land directly on the middle class of America and knock them to the bottom.

We aren’t dinosaurs. We are smarter and more vicious than that, and we are going to survive. The question is, now that Obama & his administration are making Joe Mainstreet our food supply…will he? and will they?”



If you don't "get" the Occupy movement after reading that, then you'll never get it. You either get it, or you don't.
 
why can't greedy corporate America do it without our help

You're missing the point - WHO BAILED THEM OUT - that's who you should be protesting with your vote next election! Or use the best weapon - the mighty dollar. I won't buy products from companies who take buyouts. Get them where it hurts - in the pocketbook. What company could care if you're sleeping out in a park at night?

As so much for peaceful demonstrating - I heard on the radio today that there have been at least 10 rapes in the NY city camp-out alone.
 
As so much for peaceful demonstrating - I heard on the radio today that there have been at least 10 rapes in the NY city camp-out alone.
I tried to find a real news story about that, but I didn't find anything. There was a mention that one person identified as a protester said there were "up to 10 rapes" in the NYC camp, but that's all I found. I have no idea if she is a real protester or if she's making things up. If there have been rapes at the OWS sites, the rapists should be arrested and prosecuted and security should be tightened for the safely of all protesters. However from my quick Googling, the "10 rapes in NYC!" thing seems to be one of the current "talking points" to discredit the movement. It actually turns my stomach the way that some web sites are crowing about it.
 
Remember the Chicago Board of Trade traders? The ones that posted the sign in their building, "We are the 1%" ? Remember them? They're back and they've distributed a leaflet in Chicago to the 99%.

I can't get the image to post, but here's a link:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/28/traders-talk-back-to-occupy-chicago/

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Go ahead and continue to take us down, but you’re only going to hurt yourselves. What’s going to happen when we can’t find jobs on the Street anymore? Guess what: We’re going to take yours. We get up at 5am & work until 10pm or later. We’re used to not getting up to pee when we have a position. We don’t take an hour or more for a lunch break. We don’t demand a union. We don’t retire at 50 with a pension. We eat what we kill, and when the only thing left to eat is on your dinner plates, we’ll eat that.

For years teachers and other unionized labor have had us fooled. We were too busy working to notice. Do you really think that we are incapable of teaching 3rd graders and doing landscaping? We’re going to take your cushy jobs with tenure and 4 months off a year and whine just like you that we are so-o-o-o underpaid for building the youth of America. Say goodbye to your overtime, and double time and a half. I’ll be hitting grounders to the high school baseball team for $5k extra a summer, thank you very much.

So now that we’re going to be making $85k a year without upside, Joe Mainstreet is going to have his revenge, right? Wrong! Guess what: we’re going to stop buying the new 80k car, we aren’t going to leave the 35 percent tip at our business dinners anymore. No more free rides on our backs. We’re going to landscape our own back yards, wash our cars with a garden hose in our driveways. Our money was your money. You spent it. When our money dries up, so does yours.

The difference is, you lived off of it, we rejoiced in it. The Obama administration and the Democratic National Committee might get their way and knock us off the top of the pyramid, but it’s really going to hurt like hell for them when our fat a**es land directly on the middle class of America and knock them to the bottom. We aren’t dinosaurs. We are smarter and more vicious than that, and we are going to survive. The question is, now that Obama & his administration are making Joe Mainstreet our food supply…will he? and will they?”



If you don't "get" the Occupy movement after reading that, then you'll never get it. You either get it, or you don't.

This letter is so ludicrous it borders on insanity.

Over the last 20 years the income of the top tier has risen ~238%. How stuck on stupid does anyone have to be to think these guys are going to suddenly start cutting their own grass. :rotfl2:
They've done this while regulation was a lot tighter than it is now. Any deregulation on the banks really hit a free for all a few years ago.

The day the ceo of a bank has to hit grounders for anything but to help out his grandkid is pretty much the day Michael Jackson and Elvis do a reunion tour.
 

You're missing the point - WHO BAILED THEM OUT - that's who you should be protesting with your vote next election! Or use the best weapon - the mighty dollar. I won't buy products from companies who take buyouts. Get them where it hurts - in the pocketbook. What company could care if you're sleeping out in a park at night?

As so much for peaceful demonstrating - I heard on the radio today that there have been at least 10 rapes in the NY city camp-out alone.

I tried to find a real news story about that, but I didn't find anything. There was a mention that one person identified as a protester said there were "up to 10 rapes" in the NYC camp, but that's all I found. I have no idea if she is a real protester or if she's making things up. If there have been rapes at the OWS sites, the rapists should be arrested and prosecuted and security should be tightened for the safely of all protesters. However from my quick Googling, the "10 rapes in NYC!" thing seems to be one of the current "talking points" to discredit the movement. It actually turns my stomach the way that some web sites are crowing about it.

I couldn't find any credible news source either but I hope to heavens that it is not accurate and I hope the women are not that gulliable to try and handle it "internally" like it said in the article.
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This is for people who support what Occupy is doing and want to do your part- ......if not....well, then don't. Everyone has a choice.

Bank Transfer Day Nov 5th

I am canceling my JP Morgan Chase Disney Visa and Amazon cards. I already belong to a small bank and I just felt like I wanted to do my part.
 
Actually, the large corporations who got bailed out have paid us back. When the government bailed Citibank out, the government got stock warrants for their effort. Once the bank was solvent the government sold those shares for a profit (happened last spring, I know I am a shareholder) and we the people got our money back with a profit. The fact is that if Joe and Mary average citizen losses their job,needs food, health care, free cell phones, reduced utilities etc...........All are avaliable through programs all ready enacted by our government. If people are truly in need, they can get help, paid for by taxpayers like you and me. I think over the history of the USA the needy have been bailed out more times with more money than any big corporation. The OWLS anger is a good thing but it is missguided. Government is the problem, be it the republicans who vote to the right with the big corporations or the democrats who vote to the left with the unions. Who votes for the middle? The money that was suppose to be put aside decades ago for the retirement, pensions and medicare was stolen, mispent and misapropriated. The bottom line is this country is bankrupt both moraly and fiscally. Its going to take higher taxes , spending cuts and judicious oversight to solve this mess and playing the blame game will solve nothing. Until somebody from some party has the guts to propose a sensible solution that everyone can compromise on....America will suffer.
 
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This letter is so ludicrous it borders on insanity.

Over the last 20 years the income of the top tier has risen ~238%. How stuck on stupid does anyone have to be to think these guys are going to suddenly start cutting their own grass. :rotfl2:
They've done this while regulation was a lot tighter than it is now. Any deregulation on the banks really hit a free for all a few years ago.

The day the ceo of a bank has to hit grounders for anything but to help out his grandkid is pretty much the day Michael Jackson and Elvis do a reunion tour.


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Actually, the large corporations who got bailed out have paid us back. When the government bailed Citibank out, the government got stock warrants for their effort. Once the bank was solvent the government sold those shares for a profit (happened last spring, I know I am a shareholder) and we the people got our money back with a profit. The fact is that if Joe and Mary average citizen losses their job,needs food, health care, free cell phones, reduced utilities etc...........All are avaliable through programs all ready enacted by our government. If people are truly in need, they can get help, paid for by taxpayers like you and me. I think over the history of the USA the needy have been bailed out more times with more money than any big corporation. The OWLS anger is a good thing but it is missguided. Government is the problem, be it the republicans who vote to the right with the big corporations or the democrats who vote to the left with the unions. Who votes for the middle? The money that was suppose to be put aside decades ago for the retirement, pensions and medicare was stolen, mispent and misapropriated. The bottom line is this country is bankrupt both moraly and fiscally. Its going to take higher taxes , spending cuts and judicious oversight to solve this mess and playing the blame game will solve nothing. Until somebody from some party has the guts to propose a sensible solution that everyone can compromise on....America will suffer.

And if you get more money for the coffers for those that are corrupt or inept what will happen? Same ole, same ole.

That has to be addressed.
 
I agree that the bonuses given out are insane and the bailouts were (usually) wrong. That's done and over though so what should happen going forward? Should a law be passed limiting bonuses? Should the government promise not to bail anyone out any more? What concrete steps should be taken?

Again, I philosophically agree that many of these things are very wrong. You can't go back and change it though so there should be a way to keep it from happening again. Outsourcing is one area where something could possibly be done. I don't normally advocate government meddling but something has to give here.
 
I agree that the bonuses given out are insane and the bailouts were (usually) wrong. That's done and over though so what should happen going forward? Should a law be passed limiting bonuses? Should the government promise not to bail anyone out any more? What concrete steps should be taken?

Again, I philosophically agree that many of these things are very wrong. You can't go back and change it though so there should be a way to keep it from happening again. Outsourcing is one area where something could possibly be done. I don't normally advocate government meddling but something has to give here.

If you are talking about the Fannie Freddie bonuses, that happened this week.
Where is the outrage?
 
No matter how outragedthe citizens are, congress will keep handing the money over. It is for "the good of the economy". Whatever. Until we can get rid of the lobbiest and elect a new congres it is going to keep happening.
 
I tried to find a real news story about that, but I didn't find anything. There was a mention that one person identified as a protester said there were "up to 10 rapes" in the NYC camp, but that's all I found. I have no idea if she is a real protester or if she's making things up. If there have been rapes at the OWS sites, the rapists should be arrested and prosecuted and security should be tightened for the safely of all protesters.
I haven't heard the "10" number, but Googling "occupy protest sexual assault" will find you lots of "real" news stories of actual and reported sexual assaults at a number of "occupy" sites: NYC, Dallas, Portland, Lawrence, and now Baltimore. On a related note, police have just arrested a woman that tried to prostitute out a teen girl she met at Occupy New Hampshire. Part of the problem is that in general the "Occupy" protesters view the police as "bad guys" and eschew any contact with them, so it's kind of hard to get a real handle on exactly how big is the problem. Though not a "news story", there's an interesting YouTube video from Occupy Ottawa where a group there debates about the proper response to crime and sexual assault problems there (I'd link it, but it contains some "language"... you can find it by searching "Occupy Ottawa hiding assault problems"). The Baltimore group also had a written policy statement that expressly asked victims of sexual assaults not to report them to police but go through an internal dispute resolution team, but now insists that the plea was dropped when the policy was later revised.
 
We can be outraged of course but how do we stop it? Or do we? :confused3

Aaaaand...this thread has now come full circle. It should end right here.......:teacher:

Now you get it. You go out in the streets and scream about it until people listen! It won't happen over night- but it will make people open their eyes.

Obviously, NO ONE will do anything about it until you make them do something and sitting on your butt complaining does not work. If getting out in the streets is what it takes- so be it.
 
I did not see anyone twisting their arms making them go to colleges that cost $50k a year. They chose to go there now they need to payup and stop whining about it.
 
I agree that the bonuses given out are insane and the bailouts were (usually) wrong. That's done and over though so what should happen going forward? Should a law be passed limiting bonuses? Should the government promise not to bail anyone out any more? What concrete steps should be taken?

Again, I philosophically agree that many of these things are very wrong. You can't go back and change it though so there should be a way to keep it from happening again. Outsourcing is one area where something could possibly be done. I don't normally advocate government meddling but something has to give here.

Govt meddling is what gave those CEO's bonuses. If they had not been bailed out, the companies would have filed for bankruptcy and been able to change their contracts. That's how it was supposed to work.

Capitalism didn't create this mess, govt did.
 
Aaaaand...this thread has now come full circle. It should end right here.......:teacher:

Now you get it. You go out in the streets and scream about it until people listen! It won't happen over night- but it will make people open their eyes.

Obviously, NO ONE will do anything about it until you make them do something and sitting on your butt complaining does not work. If getting out in the streets is what it takes- so be it.

DING, DING, DING

You can criticize OWS and the Tea Party all you want but the fact of the matter is, Americans are about the most apathetic bunch of folks around.
Almost every single important change socially and economically has only come about AFTER all hell broke loose.
Pretty much basically no one gave a flip about civil rights until the country came to blows and people took to the streets en masse. Folks went about their lives merrily and happily as long as it did not effect them.

Vietnam, gay rights you name it and nothing happen until the folks who wanted a change started protesting.

Sorry, I'm calling us out because the bottom line is all these problems have been festering for 25-30 years. NO one gave a rats patooie about the play money ballooning the housing industry. As long as our houses were double and tripling in value we were happy campers. NO one gave a rats pootie about globalization as long as you could get that tee shirt from walmart for 3.99. now it's a problem because we practically make zippo and decent middle class jobs are disappearing.

Whether you like them or not you better believe if this movements hangs around or gathers steam into next years election, people in power will take notice.
 
I agree that the bonuses given out are insane and the bailouts were (usually) wrong. That's done and over though so what should happen going forward? Should a law be passed limiting bonuses? Should the government promise not to bail anyone out any more? What concrete steps should be taken?

here.

To start, we can go back to regulating banks and wall street, to ensure that the same thing doesn't happen again. A committee came up with a whole set of regulations that could prevent future problems. However the banks didnt like those regulations, and since they were allowed to donate millions to the politicians - guess what? We're still waiting.
We can't expect the banks to regulate themselves, they've proven that. We cant count on our politicians to regulate the banks, that's who supports them. And that is WHY there is an occupation. As I said before, it's important to get the message out that this is wrong - don't criticize the delivery, instead find a way to let your politicians know that you are aware and expecting them to do their job. If you don't agree with occupying, then find another way, but it's important that they get the message.
 
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