Am I the only one NERVOUS about the vaccine? And I’m very PRO-VAX

[tink2424]

That poster I was responding to claims to have a science background and has mentioned her own "research" and how she has looked at all kinds of studies, but yet she spouts off completely inaccurate and just flat out wrong information about natural immunity. If she knows so much about science and knows how to research, there is no chance she has never come across the plethora of studies that PROVE that vaccine induced immunity is superior to natural infection.

I didn't say "everyone knows that." THAT would be condescending.

And in all your posts you have yet to post a single study that backs up your "claim". Here is my evidence:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777898
Neutralizing Antibodies Against SARS-CoV-2 Variants After Infection and Vaccination

This study found neutralizing activity of infection- and vaccine-elicited antibodies against 4 SARS-CoV-2 variants, including B.1, B.1.1.7, and N501Y. Because neutralization studies measure the ability of antibodies to block virus infection, these results suggest that infection- and vaccine-induced immunity may be retained against the B.1.1.7 variant. As additional variants emerge, neutralizing-antibody responses after infection and vaccination should be monitored.

https://www.indiatimes.com/technolo...ty-than-oxford-vaccine-says-study-531941.html
https://www.latimes.com/science/sto...munity-thats-comparable-to-a-covid-19-vaccine
So again, please stop spreading dangerous misinformation.

 

[wvjules]

Time for ignore.

 

[DLgal]

That is true but you also can't say for certain that the vaccine isn't the cause. That is what make assessing safety so difficult as it is always based on the doctor's opinion. The doctor could be wrong either way in saying that it was related or it wasn't. That is why you are supposed to report everything so that any trends can be established.

We also do a terrible job of really looking at safety data once a drug/vaccine is on the market. It takes many events to overturn an approval.

People WILL die after getting vaccinated. We already know this will happen. People die all the time from EVERYTHING. People die from drinking too much water, for goodness sake. A certain level of risk is inherent in vaccines like literally every other thing in this world.

The REALITY is that much, much, MUCH larger numbers of people have and will continue to die from Covid. That is a point that no one can successfully argue against.

Risk versus reward. That is the entire equation here. Nothing, I repeat NOTHING in life is without risk. You can keep listing the names of every person who dies after getting this vaccine and I will be able to list the thousands more who are dying every day from covid.

The idea that these vaccines are going to be directly responsible for statistically significant numbers of deaths is not grounded in any sort of reality.

 

[DLgal]

And in all your posts you have yet to post a single study that backs up your "claim". Here is my evidence:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777898
Neutralizing Antibodies Against SARS-CoV-2 Variants After Infection and Vaccination

This study found neutralizing activity of infection- and vaccine-elicited antibodies against 4 SARS-CoV-2 variants, including B.1, B.1.1.7, and N501Y. Because neutralization studies measure the ability of antibodies to block virus infection, these results suggest that infection- and vaccine-induced immunity may be retained against the B.1.1.7 variant. As additional variants emerge, neutralizing-antibody responses after infection and vaccination should be monitored.

https://www.indiatimes.com/technolo...ty-than-oxford-vaccine-says-study-531941.html
https://www.latimes.com/science/sto...munity-thats-comparable-to-a-covid-19-vaccine
So again, please stop spreading dangerous misinformation.

Did you even read these?

Did you miss this in the last article:

That level of protection appears to be comparable to the benefits offered by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in their clinical trials, the study authors noted.

“Of course, protection induced by a safe vaccine is clearly preferable,” they were quick to add, “as the population-wide risk of a serious outcome from an authorized or approved vaccine is expected to be orders of magnitude lower than that from natural infection.”

 

[tink2424]

People WILL die after getting vaccinated. We already know this will happen. People die all the time from EVERYTHING. People die from drinking too much water, for goodness sake. A certain level of risk is inherent in vaccines like literally every other thing in this world.

The REALITY is that much, much, MUCH larger numbers of people have and will continue to die from Covid. That is a point that no one can successfully argue against.

Risk versus reward. That is the entire equation here. Nothing, I repeat NOTHING in life is without risk. You can keep listing the names of every person who dies after getting this vaccine and I will be able to list the thousands more who are dying every day from covid.

The idea that these vaccines are going to be directly responsible for statistically significant numbers of deaths is not grounded in any sort of reality.

You are definitely correct in what you say but the sad fact is we don't know if there is going to be a long term effect from the vaccines because there just hasn't been enough time pass. So it very well may be that significant numbers of people are harmed or will die as a result. There are many examples in history of us thinking we know more than mother nature.

 

[nancipants]

I was nervous about side effects. It's been over 24 hours since my second dose and so far all I've had is sore arm and fatigue. My husband had some chills and body aches. We were both thrilled to get the vaccine.

 

[tink2424]

Did you even read these?

Did you miss this in the last article:

That level of protection appears to be comparable to the benefits offered by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in their clinical trials, the study authors noted.

“Of course, protection induced by a safe vaccine is clearly preferable,” they were quick to add, “as the population-wide risk of a serious outcome from an authorized or approved vaccine is expected to be orders of magnitude lower than that from natural infection.”

Yes, read them all and I didn't miss that. I never said vaccine immunity wasn't preferable to natural immunity. It absolutely is but the safety of these vaccines has not been proven - especially long term safety as we are seeing issues with Astra Zeneca & J&J's vaccines right now.

But again the point of these articles was your baseless claim that vaccine immunity is better than natural and these articles and the study refute that. So thanks for moving the goal post...

 

[DLgal]

You are definitely correct in what you say but the sad fact is we don't know if there is going to be a long term effect from the vaccines because there just hasn't been enough time pass. So it very well may be that significant numbers of people are harmed or will die as a result. There are many examples in history of us thinking we know more than mother nature.

This is why, in medicine, there is an element of faith involved. And by that, I am not talking about religion, but rather the belief that with all the available information, we make the best decision that will do the most good with the least amount of harm. That is the entire basis of the practice of medicine. Uncertainty will always exist, but the scientists who have been working for decades on this technology have enough collective trust in the process and faith that these vaccines will do what they were designed to do with little collateral damage.

Sometimes you just have to take that leap and hope for the best. Certainly, this is the case when a novel virus creates a global pandemic.

 

[DLgal]

Yes, read them all and I didn't miss that. I never said vaccine immunity wasn't preferable to natural immunity. It absolutely is but the safety of these vaccines has not been proven - especially long term safety as we are seeing issues with Astra Zeneca & J&J's vaccines right now.

But again the point of these articles was your baseless claim that vaccine immunity is better than natural and these articles and the study refute that. So thanks for moving the goal post...

The first 2 articles just talk about neutralizing antibodies, which is only one small piece of the immune response, which I'm sure you know.

Making broad claims by just looking at one piece of the puzzle isn't how science works.

 

[tink2424]

This is why, in medicine, there is an element of faith involved. And by that, I am not talking about religion, but rather the belief that with all the available information, we make the best decision that will do the most good with the least amount of harm. That is the entire basis of the practice of medicine. Uncertainty will always exist, but the scientists who have been working for decades on this technology have enough collective trust in the process and faith that these vaccines will do what they were designed to do with little collateral damage.

Sometimes you just have to take that leap and hope for the best. Certainly, this is the case when a novel virus creates a global pandemic.

Yes, and there is also the basic principle of do no harm in medicine. There is also informed consent. Something people here have no problem breaking...

 

[tink2424]

The first 2 articles just talk about neutralizing antibodies, which is only one small piece of the immune response, which I'm sure you know.

Making broad claims by just looking at one piece of the puzzle isn't how science works.

You still haven’t given any evidence of your claim that vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity.

 

[starry_solo]

Wow, this was a long thread.

OP: no, you're not the only one who feels nervous about getting the vaccine. For the longest time, I was like, let other people get the vaccine and see where it gets them.

But of our family, I'm the last one to get it (because of the job and age). The State classified our positions as emergency service workers (work for the government) in mid-March and our county opened it up to everyone over 16 as of two days ago (or maybe it was three days ago). My appointment for my 2nd shot is next week (Pfizer). We will have an equal amount of people getting the Pfizer vaccine as Moderna.

Those who got Pfizer surprisingly had no side effects after the first or second dose, except for a sore arm at the injection site.
Those who got Moderna had no side effects after the first shot, tiredness and body aches after the second shot (for two days). That was it.

I am going back to work full time in June, one year after we started telecommuting part-time. I deal with people who are at the bottom of their lives on a daily basis and likely not to get vaccinated. So, I want to make sure that I am, even though I know this won't prevent me from catching COVID, it will at least prevent serious infection and death. I'll still be wearing masks at work (one person in our office of 9 got COVID after Christmas and was out for two weeks; one person in another office of 10 got COVID a few weeks after the first)....yeah, it wasn't good. But they are back now and better.

 

[sam_gordon]

Those who got Pfizer surprisingly had no side effects after the first or second dose, except for a sore arm at the injection site.
Those who got Moderna had no side effects after the first shot, tiredness and body aches after the second shot (for two days). That was it.

A number of my coworkers who got Pfizer have had tiredness and body aches after the second shot. Enough so that they couldn't come into work.

 

[disney4us2002]

I haven't considered the side effects of the vaccine versus the side effects of COVID in deciding to pass on the vaccine for now. I considered the side effects of the vaccine (long-term, unknown; currently, a range of symptoms) that will happen 100% if I get injected vs possibly never getting COVID. I have worked continually since the start of the lockdowns and the job is 80% telework and 1 day in the office where masks are mandatory and meetings are a no-no. I have been to the store and restaurants and God forbid, attended a wedding last summer and still COVID-free. So, I look at the risk of contracting as low and the survivability is 97% so why should I risk my long-term health. Other people may weigh their risk and choose differently.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

As you know this is just not true. Why are you spreading dangerous misinformation?

You can’t be serious right now.

 

[mjkacmom]

I haven't considered the side effects of the vaccine versus the side effects of COVID in deciding to pass on the vaccine for now. I considered the side effects of the vaccine (long-term, unknown; currently, a range of symptoms) that will happen 100% if I get injected vs possibly never getting COVID. I have worked continually since the start of the lockdowns and the job is 80% telework and 1 day in the office where masks are mandatory and meetings are a no-no. I have been to the store and restaurants and God forbid, attended a wedding last summer and still COVID-free. So, I look at the risk of contracting as low and the survivability is 97% so why should I risk my long-term health. Other people may weigh their risk and choose differently.

I hid for a year, no stores, no haircuts, only in my own home, masks if I had to be in public. I went to a friend’s front porch with 6 other friends, all but 2 vaccinated. The next day 1 who wasn’t vaccinated tested positive. I tested positive 4 days later, then my husband then my daughter, then my son. My friend who tested positive infected at least 1 other person later in the day. Our town had so many cases last month, one of the most in a year. It seems to take hold in communities, a reason why we’ve been high for all but two months, when we were at medium.

 

[DisneyLover1217]

More information is almost always better than less information:

- From a headline: ”Boxing Great Marvin Hagler Dies – According to Reports He Was Struggling in ICU on Saturday After Taking Vaccine”

• - Kassidi Kurill, a 39-year-old mother of one from Ogden, received the vaccine due to her work as a surgical tech for several plastic surgeons. Four days after receiving the second dose of the Moderna vaccine, Kurill died.
• - A 28-year-old physical therapist died 2 days after being injected with an experimental Covid vaccine. Says her mother, “My 28 year old daughter took the vaccine on a Tuesday and was dead by Thursday.”
• - Tim Zook, 60, an x-ray technologist, proudly displayed his vaccination card right after getting his second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. Two hours later, he had troubling symptoms, and four days later, hospitalized and in intensive care with massive organ failure, he died.
• - Florida’s Dr. Gregory Michael died of a rare blood disease after getting Pfizer’s COVID vaccine. Dr. John Spivak, an expert on blood disorders from Johns Hopkins, calls it “a medical certainty” that the vaccine caused Dr. Michael’s death.
• - 58-Year-Old Woman Drene Keyes Died Hours After Getting First Dose of Pfizer Vaccine. A “gifted singer and grandmother of six,” Drene was unable to breathe and began vomiting within a couple hours of being vaccinated.
• - Norwegian Medicines Agency links 13 deaths to vaccine side effects. Those who died were frail and old. A total of 23 deaths have been reported in Norway in connection with the corona vaccination.
• - Four people in Utah died shortly after receiving a Covid vaccine injection.
• - A Nebraska man in his 40s with underlying health issues died a week after receiving the vaccine.
• - A 56-year-old man in Placer County died shortly after receiving a Covid vaccine.
• - A 41-year-old health worker in Portugal died two days after she got the Pfizer vaccine.
• - A 60-year-old Danish woman died from a blood clot after getting the AstraZeneca vaccine
• - Baseball great Hank Aaron, who proudly got his Moderna vaccine in public to encourage the Black population to do likewise, died 2 weeks later.

As of March 5th, according to VAERS—the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System in America—there have been 1,524 deaths, 5,507 serious injuries and 390 reports of Bell’s Palsy resulting from Covid vaccines. In all, a total of 31,079 adverse Covid vaccine events have been reported to VAERS thus far.

Ok, so out of 733 million doses given out around the world, possibly 1,524 have died. Not saying none of those 1,524 didn't die because of the vaccine, but I'm going to guess most of them did not, it was just coincidental, but anyway, let's say that number is correct. Almost 3 million around the world have died of COVID, when you can list 3 million that have died from a COVID vaccine, I'll take your post seriously.

 

[NAB]

Actually, the chickenpox vaccine is the reason more and more young people are getting shingles. Before the vaccine, most would have chicken pox and form an immunity. As the person got older, they would be exposed to their kids or a family member's kids that contracted chicken pox and it would be an inoculation for their immune system. This would happen less and less as a person got older and if they had a deficiency in their immune system or extreme stress the virus could reemerge as shingles. This inoculation isn't happening now so young adults are having this happen. But, don't worry. They have come up with a vaccine for shingles.

I thought you only got shingles if you had chicken pox when younger ?

My husband had shingles in Feb so I got a shingles vaccine than. Usually they give it to you when your 60 or older. I’m 58 but have other factors so our doctor sent me for one. Anyway I need the second one which is 2-6 months after the first. But I’m waiting to get my COVID shot first than will have to wait 2 weeks to get the other vaccine.

 

[pookybean]

I was the same way, and while not an anti vaxxer, I am still skeptical of new vaccines and try to wait to get them until there has been some substantial research and/or if they end up being required for anything (like school).

I was fully in the not getting this camp until I became eligible for it.... because I am overweight. I then started looking at the other possibilities. Myself, family and most of my friends have been lucky enough to not get covid or have a very minor case despite being essential and continuing to work, some even with the public. I wondered how long I could continue to be this lucky? Would I be more likely to become a host for the virus when there are so many others vaccinated (idk if it works that way, but it made sense in my brain!) and if I did get it how would I fare? It would be a shame to come all this way, be at the end and so close to normalcy... then die from something I could have gotten a vaccine for. I also started wondering if they would be required for travelling.

I am still a little worried and I am scheduled for my second dose of Pzifer next week. If I had to wait any longer than I did for that first appointment I may have chickened out. I got an appointment at CVS the first time I tried and I took that as a sign that I should just trust the science and get it. My 20 yr old daughter has been working at a restaurant throughout this whole thing has also gotten her first shot. If I hadnt gotten mine, she would never have taken that step.... so even if i still do get covid despite the vaccine, I hope she may be a little bit safer and it will still have been worth it.

 

[Heather07438]

Wow, this was a long thread.

OP: no, you're not the only one who feels nervous about getting the vaccine. For the longest time, I was like, let other people get the vaccine and see where it gets them.

But of our family, I'm the last one to get it (because of the job and age). The State classified our positions as emergency service workers (work for the government) in mid-March and our county opened it up to everyone over 16 as of two days ago (or maybe it was three days ago). My appointment for my 2nd shot is next week (Pfizer). We will have an equal amount of people getting the Pfizer vaccine as Moderna.

Those who got Pfizer surprisingly had no side effects after the first or second dose, except for a sore arm at the injection site.
Those who got Moderna had no side effects after the first shot, tiredness and body aches after the second shot (for two days). That was it.

I am going back to work full time in June, one year after we started telecommuting part-time. I deal with people who are at the bottom of their lives on a daily basis and likely not to get vaccinated. So, I want to make sure that I am, even though I know this won't prevent me from catching COVID, it will at least prevent serious infection and death. I'll still be wearing masks at work (one person in our office of 9 got COVID after Christmas and was out for two weeks; one person in another office of 10 got COVID a few weeks after the first)....yeah, it wasn't good. But they are back now and better.

Just got my first shot yesterday. DH and his parents got #1 last week. All Pfizer. Surprisingly none of us had side effects. My arm is a tiny bit sore when I move it over my head. We’re pleasantly surprised. Rather takes our chances with the vaccine over Covid. Lucky we all managed to avoid it so far.