Am I the only one NERVOUS about the vaccine? And I’m very PRO-VAX

[tink2424]

I'd encourage you, since you have had Covid, to follow the Pfizer studies on vaccines for previously infected...right now, they are studying a one shot booster vs a 2 shot series as an option for folks in your category. Right now, the early data is that you will get almost perfect personal antibody protection on the one shot path, although I'm not sure how severely one had to have Covid (or how many baseline antibodies they needed to have) to benefit more from a one shot series vs a two in their preliminary data...

I am following these studies as I am curious as to their outcome but it is a bit strange that anyone that has had the virus would need any of the current vaccines unless it is proven they didn't have a robust immune response. These vaccines only create proteins for a subset of the markers of the wild virus that all of us who have gotten COVID have had (and I'm including the variants since these vaccines have been proven to protect against the variants). Now those who have had a natural infection create hundreds or thousands of antibodies to all of the parts of the virus so as a result we have a more varied immune response then someone just getting the vaccine. So why should we go through an unneccesary medical procedure to gain less varied antibodies than we already have?

Now, if there is a proven variant that overcomes the vaccine then that is something that may need consideration. And if you can prove that you no longer have any immunity then that also make sense. But this mantra of just get the vaccine is a bit old.

 

[mjkacmom]

There also wasn't any ventilators or respiratory treatments - nebulizers, inhalers, steroids, etc. Thank goodness we have these treatments today and advance medical care.

Actually there were ventilators, which are used as hail Mary’s, I think some who died on them might be alive today with current treatments.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Never said everyone responded that way to me. But that was the general response I got with a handful of exceptions.

Your "have basically been told (here on the Dis)" didn't leave any room for those exceptions. I don't want to get into a back and forth honestly but I feel over the various threads you tend to gloss over the posters who tried to earnestly listen to and earnestly try to alleviate your concerns as if no one ever cared and that doesn't make it fair for those who did try to respectfully discuss with you. You're absolutely allowed to feel like no one listened to you or cared but some of us actually did and tried to be as "I get both sides of the coin" as we could. Anyways like I said didn't want a back and forth just felt the comment was not entirely representative of the ensuing discussions over the months. I understand if you personally didn't/don't feel that way though and respect that your opinion on that.

 

[DLgal]

I am following these studies as I am curious as to their outcome but it is a bit strange that anyone that has had the virus would need any of the current vaccines unless it is proven they didn't have a robust immune response. These vaccines only create proteins for a subset of the markers of the wild virus that all of us who have gotten COVID have had (and I'm including the variants since these vaccines have been proven to protect against the variants). Now those who have had a natural infection create hundreds or thousands of antibodies to all of the parts of the virus so as a result we have a more varied immune response then someone just getting the vaccine. So why should we go through an unneccesary medical procedure to gain less varied antibodies than we already have?

Now, if there is a proven variant that overcomes the vaccine then that is something that may need consideration. And if you can prove that you no longer have any immunity then that also make sense. But this mantra of just get the vaccine is a bit old.

Vaccine induced immunity has already been proven (over and over again) to be superior to immunity from natural infection. It has been studied for as long as vaccines have been around. How do you not yet know this? This is the entire reason why vaccines are a thing.

 

[limitdis]

More information is almost always better than less information:

- From a headline: ”Boxing Great Marvin Hagler Dies – According to Reports He Was Struggling in ICU on Saturday After Taking Vaccine”

• - Kassidi Kurill, a 39-year-old mother of one from Ogden, received the vaccine due to her work as a surgical tech for several plastic surgeons. Four days after receiving the second dose of the Moderna vaccine, Kurill died.
• - A 28-year-old physical therapist died 2 days after being injected with an experimental Covid vaccine. Says her mother, “My 28 year old daughter took the vaccine on a Tuesday and was dead by Thursday.”
• - Tim Zook, 60, an x-ray technologist, proudly displayed his vaccination card right after getting his second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. Two hours later, he had troubling symptoms, and four days later, hospitalized and in intensive care with massive organ failure, he died.
• - Florida’s Dr. Gregory Michael died of a rare blood disease after getting Pfizer’s COVID vaccine. Dr. John Spivak, an expert on blood disorders from Johns Hopkins, calls it “a medical certainty” that the vaccine caused Dr. Michael’s death.
• - 58-Year-Old Woman Drene Keyes Died Hours After Getting First Dose of Pfizer Vaccine. A “gifted singer and grandmother of six,” Drene was unable to breathe and began vomiting within a couple hours of being vaccinated.
• - Norwegian Medicines Agency links 13 deaths to vaccine side effects. Those who died were frail and old. A total of 23 deaths have been reported in Norway in connection with the corona vaccination.
• - Four people in Utah died shortly after receiving a Covid vaccine injection.
• - A Nebraska man in his 40s with underlying health issues died a week after receiving the vaccine.
• - A 56-year-old man in Placer County died shortly after receiving a Covid vaccine.
• - A 41-year-old health worker in Portugal died two days after she got the Pfizer vaccine.
• - A 60-year-old Danish woman died from a blood clot after getting the AstraZeneca vaccine
• - Baseball great Hank Aaron, who proudly got his Moderna vaccine in public to encourage the Black population to do likewise, died 2 weeks later.

As of March 5th, according to VAERS—the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System in America—there have been 1,524 deaths, 5,507 serious injuries and 390 reports of Bell’s Palsy resulting from Covid vaccines. In all, a total of 31,079 adverse Covid vaccine events have been reported to VAERS thus far.

 

[TwoMisfits]

It is funny about the folks that don't know anyone that died of Covid - I was originally in that boat b/c both my parents are already dead and my spouse and I are in our 40's, so other than his parents (who really took precautions), we didn't "know" anyone over 50. Then, we had a personal local friend we reinvited to an online roleplaying campaign, and we found out he was out of pocket for our last online campaign (he had never responded, but he's an introvert, so we thought nothing of it) b/c his wife's ex-husband (in his 40's) had died of Covid -the ex had no health issues/weight issues - he just died. So my friend, as the stepdad, and his wife now had full custody of her and her ex's child and had to deal with the fallout of everything that had happened...thus, his radio silence and awful 2020...

It was another of the "thank God I only got a cancer diagnosis in 2020" moments...and thank God it wasn't my friend...

 

[nicolita3]

I really should be a choice and nobody should be persecuted for not getting it.

No one is being persecuted for not getting the vaccine. If companies choose to have proof of the vaccine that is not persecuting you, you made the choice to not get the vaccine so you dont partake in those companies. It is not a right to go on a cruise or other vacations that may require proof of vaccination it is a privelage.

 

[mrs. magoo]

There also wasn't any ventilators or respiratory treatments - nebulizers, inhalers, steroids, etc. Thank goodness we have these treatments today and advance medical care.

I suggest you read about the second wave and see that even these treatments would not have saved the young who died from the flu. People just need to be informed. The second wave was a mutation of the first wave. Many who have been infected with the first wave died when reinfected with the second wave. We live in the United States you have a right to choose whatever you want and you should not be put down if you choose something else.

https://www.history.com/news/spanis...emic lasted,spread by wartime troop movements.

 

[wenrob]

There also wasn't any ventilators or respiratory treatments - nebulizers, inhalers, steroids, etc. Thank goodness we have these treatments today and advance medical care.

This comes off as being on a ventilator is no big deal. It’s a last resort, we have no other options treatment. My dad was on a vent in his last days (not related to Covid) and he was aware of it. I know it was a living nightmare for him. My biggest thing was making sure I was there when he was taken off. I didn’t want him to die alone. People have had to die alone and their family were robbed of being able to hold their loved ones hands as they passed. So while I respect your decision to not get a vaccine please don’t play down the seriousness of the treatments people have had to endure.

 

[Kestryl]

More information is almost always better than less information:

Covid Vaccine Deaths:
- From a headline: ”Boxing Great Marvin Hagler Dies – According to Reports He Was Struggling in ICU on Saturday After Taking Vaccine”

• - Kassidi Kurill, a 39-year-old mother of one from Ogden, received the vaccine due to her work as a surgical tech for several plastic surgeons. Four days after receiving the second dose of the Moderna vaccine, Kurill died.
• - A 28-year-old physical therapist died 2 days after being injected with an experimental Covid vaccine. Says her mother, “My 28 year old daughter took the vaccine on a Tuesday and was dead by Thursday.”
• - Tim Zook, 60, an x-ray technologist, proudly displayed his vaccination card right after getting his second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. Two hours later, he had troubling symptoms, and four days later, hospitalized and in intensive care with massive organ failure, he died.
• - Florida’s Dr. Gregory Michael died of a rare blood disease after getting Pfizer’s COVID vaccine. Dr. John Spivak, an expert on blood disorders from Johns Hopkins, calls it “a medical certainty” that the vaccine caused Dr. Michael’s death.
• - 58-Year-Old Woman Drene Keyes Died Hours After Getting First Dose of Pfizer Vaccine. A “gifted singer and grandmother of six,” Drene was unable to breathe and began vomiting within a couple hours of being vaccinated.
• - Norwegian Medicines Agency links 13 deaths to vaccine side effects. Those who died were frail and old. A total of 23 deaths have been reported in Norway in connection with the corona vaccination.
• - Four people in Utah died shortly after receiving a Covid vaccine injection.
• - A Nebraska man in his 40s with underlying health issues died a week after receiving the vaccine.
• - A 56-year-old man in Placer County died shortly after receiving a Covid vaccine.
• - A 41-year-old health worker in Portugal died two days after she got the Pfizer vaccine.
• - A 60-year-old Danish woman died from a blood clot after getting the AstraZeneca vaccine
• - Baseball great Hank Aaron, who proudly got his Moderna vaccine in public to encourage the Black population to do likewise, died 2 weeks later.

As of March 5th, according to VAERS—the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System in America—there have been 1,524 deaths, 5,507 serious injuries and 390 reports of Bell’s Palsy resulting from Covid vaccines. In all, a total of 31,079 adverse Covid vaccine events have been reported to VAERS thus far.

I probably missed some context from the evolution of this thread, but VAERS clearly spells out on its website that they do not verify that these adverse effects were caused by the vaccine.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html
“A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.”

Coincidence is not the same as cause, and VAERS doesn’t determine which it was.

 

[Princessclab]

I am hoping to avoid the vaccine. I won’t be taking it unless it’s mandatory for my job or eventually travel. The reason I do not want to get it is because we only know what we know right now. We don’t know what we’re going to learn 10 years down the line and it could come to be that the vaccine does cause long term unforeseen medical issues for people. We used to visit a historic village from the 1830s and they had a dr office and they would tell stories of the way diseases and illnesses were treated back then, by college educated doctors. I always think what will future generations think when they look back at us. I don’t want there to be pictures in history books in the 2070s of all the poor people in the 2030s who succumbed to illnesses brought on by their 2021 vaccine. I HOPE that is not the case!! I’m sure the vaccine probably is very safe. I’m just not willing to take that risk given that I have know many many people who have had Covid and not a single one who had a severe case so I’d much rather take my chances with the virus. Just to clarify I am not anti vaccine or a conspiracy theorist in any way. The level of crazy I’ve head some people say about the vaccine is mind boggling that anyone could really believe the govt is trying to kill us or microchip us I’ve been fully vaccinated for everything else as have my children. But a brand new vaccine to prevent an illness that (from what I’ve seen) is mild for the vast vast majority is not something I am eager to jump in line for. And as for getting back to normal life, that’s not an issue here. We’ve been “normal” since last May. Socializing, everything open, travel, hanging out with friends and family.

Please educate yourself better, it may save your life. Ask credible sources for information (certainly not the media).
Take care!

 

[EveDallas]

I agree 100% with this. So many people putting so much faith into "following the science" when all our lives medications that were developed in these same labs (ones that had a whole lot more time being developed that this vaccine) turned around and killed or debilitated those taking it. Many being pulled off of the market never to return and yet everyone is so trusting of THIS one? Science fails constantly but this time they got it right...really quickly and all? At this point the only rational people IMO are the ones who are at least a little scared or a little skeptical. How can you not be?

Soooo, those of us who trust the vaccine are somehow irrational or stupid? That's a really offensive inference.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

More information is almost always better than less information:

Covid Vaccine Deaths:
- From a headline: ”Boxing Great Marvin Hagler Dies – According to Reports He Was Struggling in ICU on Saturday After Taking Vaccine”

• - Kassidi Kurill, a 39-year-old mother of one from Ogden, received the vaccine due to her work as a surgical tech for several plastic surgeons. Four days after receiving the second dose of the Moderna vaccine, Kurill died.
• - A 28-year-old physical therapist died 2 days after being injected with an experimental Covid vaccine. Says her mother, “My 28 year old daughter took the vaccine on a Tuesday and was dead by Thursday.”
• - Tim Zook, 60, an x-ray technologist, proudly displayed his vaccination card right after getting his second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. Two hours later, he had troubling symptoms, and four days later, hospitalized and in intensive care with massive organ failure, he died.
• - Florida’s Dr. Gregory Michael died of a rare blood disease after getting Pfizer’s COVID vaccine. Dr. John Spivak, an expert on blood disorders from Johns Hopkins, calls it “a medical certainty” that the vaccine caused Dr. Michael’s death.
• - 58-Year-Old Woman Drene Keyes Died Hours After Getting First Dose of Pfizer Vaccine. A “gifted singer and grandmother of six,” Drene was unable to breathe and began vomiting within a couple hours of being vaccinated.
• - Norwegian Medicines Agency links 13 deaths to vaccine side effects. Those who died were frail and old. A total of 23 deaths have been reported in Norway in connection with the corona vaccination.
• - Four people in Utah died shortly after receiving a Covid vaccine injection.
• - A Nebraska man in his 40s with underlying health issues died a week after receiving the vaccine.
• - A 56-year-old man in Placer County died shortly after receiving a Covid vaccine.
• - A 41-year-old health worker in Portugal died two days after she got the Pfizer vaccine.
• - A 60-year-old Danish woman died from a blood clot after getting the AstraZeneca vaccine
• - Baseball great Hank Aaron, who proudly got his Moderna vaccine in public to encourage the Black population to do likewise, died 2 weeks later.

As of March 5th, according to VAERS—the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System in America—there have been 1,524 deaths, 5,507 serious injuries and 390 reports of Bell’s Palsy resulting from Covid vaccines. In all, a total of 31,079 adverse Covid vaccine events have been reported to VAERS thus far.

Again, correlation doesn’t equal causation.

Also important to remember that VAERS is a self reporting site and so far not a single death has been linked to the vaccine.

 

[DLgal]

I can tell VAERS anything I want. I can submit a claim that after getting my first shot, I sprouted a horn on my head. They don't require any proof of anything.

 

[DLgal]

Soooo, those of us who trust the vaccine are somehow irrational or stupid? That's a really offensive inference.

It's insane to me how people will just dismiss scientists and researchers who hold PhDs and their knowledge/expertise in favor of "some random website with no credentials."

But here we are.

 

[StitchesGr8Fan]

I got both doses of the Moderna one. Once I realized they had been studying the MRNA vaccines for over 10 years prior to using it for COVID-19, I was fine with it.

 

[KrazeeK120]

This comes off as being on a ventilator is no big deal. It’s a last resort, we have no other options treatment. My dad was on a vent in his last days (not related to Covid) and he was aware of it. I know it was a living nightmare for him. My biggest thing was making sure I was there when he was taken off. I didn’t want him to die alone. People have had to die alone and their family were robbed of being able to hold their loved ones hands as they passed. So while I respect your decision to not get a vaccine please don’t play down the seriousness of the treatments people have had to endure.

My mother-in-law passed away in November (not Covid-related) and was on a ventilator for her last couple of days. Fortunately (?), she wasn’t conscious. My husband was allowed to be in the room with her, but no one else. As we were trying to make medical decisions for her, he would tell me, you have no idea what it’s like to see her like this.

Yes, it’s wonderful that we have these medical tools. But they should be a last-ditch effort. Being on a ventilator or having a loved one on a ventilator is awful. That’s why everyone needs to get vaccinated. We don’t want people on ventilators because of Covid.

 

[Princessclab]

Yes!!! And if you look at at least 1 of the trials they didn't really study it well for safety. Only recording adverse events from the first 5000 participants with respect to the vaccine is unfathomable. I work in clinical research and it is absolutely bonkers that they did that. Further to that you just can't speed up time. We really just don't know if there are unintended consequences for this technology.

I'm all for those who feel comfortable but the shaming and name calling on this board for anyone who doesn't just agree is wrong.

I work in clinical research too.
Do you work in the scientific, clinical and statistical analysis part of it, or in the FDA submission parts of it? Do you have first hand knowledge of the rigour involved?
Just wondering.

 

[godisney14]

Again, correlation doesn’t equal causation.

Also important to remember that VAERS is a self reporting site and so far not a single death has been linked to the vaccine.

Maybe not in VAERS, but there has been higher numbers of hirnvenenthrombose (cerebral blood clot) than would be expected among the general population in Germany where AZ have been used. And, 12 out of 13 cases so far have all been in younger women. Three have died. That is definitively more frequent than in the general population.

There are reports of J&J causing similar reactions now that J&J have been administered more.

But, like you said, so far nothing is confirmed. Just that the incidence is much higher than one would expect in general population.

 

[EveDallas]

More information is almost always better than less information:

- From a headline: ”Boxing Great Marvin Hagler Dies – According to Reports He Was Struggling in ICU on Saturday After Taking Vaccine”

• - Kassidi Kurill, a 39-year-old mother of one from Ogden, received the vaccine due to her work as a surgical tech for several plastic surgeons. Four days after receiving the second dose of the Moderna vaccine, Kurill died.
• - A 28-year-old physical therapist died 2 days after being injected with an experimental Covid vaccine. Says her mother, “My 28 year old daughter took the vaccine on a Tuesday and was dead by Thursday.”
• - Tim Zook, 60, an x-ray technologist, proudly displayed his vaccination card right after getting his second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. Two hours later, he had troubling symptoms, and four days later, hospitalized and in intensive care with massive organ failure, he died.
• - Florida’s Dr. Gregory Michael died of a rare blood disease after getting Pfizer’s COVID vaccine. Dr. John Spivak, an expert on blood disorders from Johns Hopkins, calls it “a medical certainty” that the vaccine caused Dr. Michael’s death.
• - 58-Year-Old Woman Drene Keyes Died Hours After Getting First Dose of Pfizer Vaccine. A “gifted singer and grandmother of six,” Drene was unable to breathe and began vomiting within a couple hours of being vaccinated.
• - Norwegian Medicines Agency links 13 deaths to vaccine side effects. Those who died were frail and old. A total of 23 deaths have been reported in Norway in connection with the corona vaccination.
• - Four people in Utah died shortly after receiving a Covid vaccine injection.
• - A Nebraska man in his 40s with underlying health issues died a week after receiving the vaccine.
• - A 56-year-old man in Placer County died shortly after receiving a Covid vaccine.
• - A 41-year-old health worker in Portugal died two days after she got the Pfizer vaccine.
• - A 60-year-old Danish woman died from a blood clot after getting the AstraZeneca vaccine
• - Baseball great Hank Aaron, who proudly got his Moderna vaccine in public to encourage the Black population to do likewise, died 2 weeks later.

As of March 5th, according to VAERS—the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System in America—there have been 1,524 deaths, 5,507 serious injuries and 390 reports of Bell’s Palsy resulting from Covid vaccines. In all, a total of 31,079 adverse Covid vaccine events have been reported to VAERS thus far.

I could tell VAERS that I grew five inches and sprouted a third foot after the vaccine. They don't actually research any claims.

BTW, Hank Aaron was 86. Trying to tie his death to the vaccine is reallllly reaching.