Am I getting old or is this horribly wrong?

[declansdad]

You said it more than once before...I just beat you to it this time. Sorry to disappoint you. And I will NEVER accept that piggish displays of sexually explicit little girls is RIGHT.

Sorry but the comment that upset me was way over the top, this one wasn't the same. Also, if you read my posts you would see that I have never said this routine was right.

 

[luvsJack]

But what is the POINT of having 7 y/o's dress like in the video and perform those dance moves? WHY are those kinds of costumes chosen and why all the grinding? Does it make a better dance, a better show, is it better for the girls? What is the value added for a costume styled like this,put together with suggestive dancing. Or if you think the dancing is NOT suggestive, what would a suggestive dance for a 7 y/o be? I get the feeling there is no such thing, it's all ok in the name of the dance.

I said waaaaaaayyyyy back on page 1 or something, before all the holier than thou posts started that there were some moves that would have been better left out; but that OVERALL it wasn't that bad of a routine (those were not my exact words but something to that effect). There were 3 other routines posted as inappropriate and there wasn't a whole lot wrong with them. I have seen many routines to the same type of songs done in the same manner.

IMHO, if many of you had seen the actual performance instead of youtube, you may have felt a little differently. You may have seen the costumes differently. Everyone says they were "revealing". Exactly what were they revealing? The costume is revealing nothing but their stomachs, legs and arms. You cannot dance on a stage in a nun's habit, I am sorry it just won't work.

When dh first saw dd's first hip hop costume, I thought he would bust a blood vessel; but once he saw her with it on (in the living room not on stage) with her tights and dance shoes, etc; he realized it wasn't revealing anything. Everything was well covered, there was NOTHING to see.

If you were going to pick a popular song to do a hip hop routine to, exactly which song would you choose? Like I said before, dd's first routine was to Soljah Boy's Superman. Was that a better song choice? I don't really get the protest about the song choice. Its not even originally Beyonce's song, wasn't it originally done by Aretha Franklin or somebody?

And every move done was a hip hop dance move. If the girls are learning hip hop then those are the moves they will be learning. I didn't invent the dance style, I don't know "why"; it just is. Are there other moves? I am sure there are many. Could they have left a few out? Sure.

But, you know what, if not for YouTube; these girls would not be on the national news or talked about at the water cooler or even a blip on anyone's radar. They would have danced their routine and went home--end of story. But it has been sensationalized because somebody had the "good" sense to put them on YouTube and now there are the definition of evil and everyone is calling them strippers and worse. Dance recitals are taking place all over the country right now so any huge number of routines like this one are being done this month. This one happened to get posted on youtube and it caught the eye of CNN and there you go. Sudden infamy.

I just don't think these girls should be compared to strippers or insulted the way they are being insulted here--they are children and adults should know better than to talk about them that way.

 

[declansdad]

I just don't think these girls should be compared to strippers or insulted the way they are being insulted here--they are children and adults should know better than to talk about them that way.

 

[Mermaid02]

I said waaaaaaayyyyy back on page 1 or something, before all the holier than thou posts started that there were some moves that would have been better left out; but that OVERALL it wasn't that bad of a routine (those were not my exact words but something to that effect). There were 3 other routines posted as inappropriate and there wasn't a whole lot wrong with them. I have seen many routines to the same type of songs done in the same manner.

IMHO, if many of you had seen the actual performance instead of youtube, you may have felt a little differently. You may have seen the costumes differently. Everyone says they were "revealing". Exactly what were they revealing? The costume is revealing nothing but their stomachs, legs and arms. You cannot dance on a stage in a nun's habit, I am sorry it just won't work.

When dh first saw dd's first hip hop costume, I thought he would bust a blood vessel; but once he saw her with it on (in the living room not on stage) with her tights and dance shoes, etc; he realized it wasn't revealing anything. Everything was well covered, there was NOTHING to see.

If you were going to pick a popular song to do a hip hop routine to, exactly which song would you choose? Like I said before, dd's first routine was to Soljah Boy's Superman. Was that a better song choice? I don't really get the protest about the song choice. Its not even originally Beyonce's song, wasn't it originally done by Aretha Franklin or somebody?

And every move done was a hip hop dance move. If the girls are learning hip hop then those are the moves they will be learning. I didn't invent the dance style, I don't know "why"; it just is. Are there other moves? I am sure there are many. Could they have left a few out? Sure.

But, you know what, if not for YouTube; these girls would not be on the national news or talked about at the water cooler or even a blip on anyone's radar. They would have danced their routine and went home--end of story. But it has been sensationalized because somebody had the "good" sense to put them on YouTube and now there are the definition of evil and everyone is calling them strippers and worse. Dance recitals are taking place all over the country right now so any huge number of routines like this one are being done this month. This one happened to get posted on youtube and it caught the eye of CNN and there you go. Sudden infamy.

I just don't think these girls should be compared to strippers or insulted the way they are being insulted here--they are children and adults should know better than to talk about them that way.

I really don't think these costumes were "revealing" just inappropriate. It's pseudo-lingerie..... a child should not be wearing it. Very creepy. The bare midriff isn't the issue for me.

Souljah boy's Superman- now there's a nasty song. Do you know what it means to "superman" a woman? And woman isn't the word they used in the song.

All the single ladies- not a bad song IMO- I really don't have a problem with the song.

Yes they are little girls- and adults should know better than to dress them up in lingerie and teach them dance moves and facial expressions that are far beyond their years.

 

[luvsJack]

I see none of the "supporters" have commented on the still photo. Why not?

Is it because the close up of the lingerie and the "come hither look" given by that child is indefensable (sp?)

The pictures aren't showing the girls in their best light. But are they being coached? Or are they perhaps imitating a picture they have seen of other performers (before the most hilarious posts start--not pole dancers or strippers, actual performers like say Beyonce)? Do we know WHY they are posing this way?

Honestly, I am not going to look at a child's picture and decide they are trying to give a "come hither look". I would need to know that the kid knew what it meant first of all. Second of all, I don't look at a child that way.

Had I been standing there, I would have directed dd to pose differently; but its not my place to judge someone else's child.

Lastly, the children are posing in the picture. The children did not choreograph the dance. Its two different things.

 

[candy0730]

Just heard that some parents of these girls will be on Good Morning America this morning.

 

[Mermaid02]

The pictures aren't showing the girls in their best light. But are they being coached? Or are they perhaps imitating a picture they have seen of other performers (before the most hilarious posts start--not pole dancers or strippers, actual performers like say Beyonce)? Do we know WHY they are posing this way?

Honestly, I am not going to look at a child's picture and decide they are trying to give a "come hither look". I would need to know that the kid knew what it meant first of all. Second of all, I don't look at a child that way.

Had I been standing there, I would have directed dd to pose differently; but its not my place to judge someone else's child.

Lastly, the children are posing in the picture. The children did not choreograph the dance. Its two different things.

Just forget it- those of us who are disgusted by the video are not pedophiles- but thanks for the insinuation.

 

[Toad_Passenger]

This thread reminds of this really awful girl that my roommate dated in college. She would stay over every night, and we'd all plead with him to dump her. Sure enough, much like this thread, I'd wake up every morning and she was still there!

 

[PebblesMK]

This morning on GMA (or one of the morning shows), they'll be talking to the parents of the girls to find out why they let it go on. This should be interesting.

 

[themilesfamily]

Here's the response from the parents of a couple of the girls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs8sui4N3wE&annotation_id=annotation_460428&feature=iv

 

[Toad_Passenger]

This morning on GMA (or one of the morning shows), they'll be talking to the parents of the girls to find out why they let it go on. This should be interesting.

Spin, spin, spin. I expect it will be the canned, "This is the current format for dancing at this age" response. If they actually come out and say something against the routine, instructors, or themselves(!), I'd be very surprised.

 

[Mermaid02]

Here's the response from the parents of a couple of the girls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs8sui4N3wE&annotation_id=annotation_460428&feature=iv

Well, the Dad admitted the moves were sexual when he said, "They don't even know what they're doing"

That's why you need to step up as a Dad nimrod.

 

[mnrose]

arrggh. Those so-called parents make me so angry! I completely agree with them that you WILL see these types of outfits/dances at competitions. But, they miss the point..SHOULD you see this from young girls? No. You shouldn't. My DD (10) dances competitively, and you see this stuff, no question. But, not from MY school or instructor. It makes me so mad when I see this "junk" passed off as art/dance. You can learn all the moves, you can learn to dance and still be a little girl. I wish that dances like this were not allowed to ever win. Unfortunately, more often than not, it's crap like this that "wins."

 

[Toad_Passenger]

Well, the Dad admitted the moves were sexual when he said, "They don't even know what they're doing"

That's why you need to step up as a Dad nimrod.

I didn't like how the Mother played it off. She basically said she didn't understand why people were so upset. I can see if you're in the competitive dancing world and this is the "norm" that you, as a parent may not have minded the routine, but don't play so dumb as to not "understand" why people may have a problem with it. That's just naive, and made her ramblings more mindless.

FWIW, I'm a live and let live kind of guy. If the parents are okay with this, well, it's their children, their lives, they can do what they want. Would I want my DD doing this? No, but, apparently some people are okay with it. If anything were to ever happen to these children, I hope the parents are also willing to accept those consequences, as well.

 

[declansdad]

FWIW, I'm a live and let live kind of guy. If the parents are okay with this, well, it's their children, their lives, they can do what they want. Would I want my DD doing this? No, but, apparently some people are okay with it. If anything were to ever happen to these children, I hope the parents are also willing to accept those consequences, as well.

I was with you until your last sentence. To imply that something could happen to these children because their parents allow to them to perform dance routines such as this is wrong.

 

[Toad_Passenger]

I was with you until your last sentence. To imply that something could happen to these children because their parents allow to them to perform dance routines such as this is wrong.

Perhaps I worded that wrong (still only halfway through my coffee this morning). I'm not implying that something WILL happen. I'm just saying that in the (very) slim chance that something did occur, and it was traced back to someone who was involved with or attended a performance such as this, I would hope the parents would then see what people were talking about.

 

[pyrxtc]

I think they were girls doing a VERY GOOD job at performing a dance routine they were taught. Lots of practice and very well done. It's only sexual if you perceive it that way and to do it to girls this young is wrong.

 

[themilesfamily]

I'm downstairs on the computer. My DH just got up and turned on the TV. I heard him yell, "Oh my god, what are they doing?!" I ran upstairs -- sure enough, it's this video.

DH, not a fan.

 

[kriddle]

Ok, first.....I think the parents of these girls bear 100% responsibility for allowing their daughters to perform such a blatenly sexual routine. My girls have always been in cheer or cheer and dance and anytime (didn't happen often) some move or outfit was highly questionable the parents spoke up and it was handled appropriately. Alot of times they are taught or coached by people not that much older than they are and/or by people who are not parents. And regardless, as a parent you should never leave your child's best interest entirely in the hands of another person. In my opinion, and it is only an opinion (which belongs to me) I think that the costume, alot of the movements and even the song subject was not appropriate for the age of these girls. I would not have allowed my daughter to perform that particular routine in that costume to that song.

That being said......go back and actually WATCH the dance. Those kids have some serious talent! Some of the technique is extremely advanced for that age child.....I was VERY impressed with these girls. And on top of the talent there was some awesome stage presence as well. Too bad it wasn't directed in a more age appropriate fashion for their routine but hopefully it was a one-off bad judgement call. Can you imagine how extaordinary they will be at 17 if they can dance like that at 7?!?!

I agree. I wouldn't want my girls dancing like that but those girls have a LOT of talent!

 

[SeaShelley]

There is no doubt that these little girls have talent, but right now lack a great deal of actual technique. If they continue training, they will be amazing dancers.

I went back and watched the "dance routine". Aside from it being far too sexual for their age, it's not a good routine. It's far too fast for them and they are too rushed from move to move to make it look polished.

I still haven't read or heard anything about how they placed in the competition....