Am I getting old or is this horribly wrong?

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This thread isn't about just any kind of dancing and you know it, so knock it off. This thread is about young girls dressed and moving provocatively while dancing.
This thread (and every other thread) is an expression of opinions. Some people post their opinions and welcome discussion. Some people post their opinions and disparage differing opinions. I see that you are one of the later:
Your posts have absolutely disgusted me on this thread.

Thank you for illustrating my point. :thumbsup2
 
Ok...... That guy needs to officially hop on the nut wagon because HE IS CRACKED!!!!!...

Exactly - now read the posts in this thread which essentially say the same thing that the "cracked" person says, but without a call for an outright banning of dance.

They say that this type of dance is "sexual". That it includes simulated oral sex. That these girls are training to be strippers. That they will be in trouble by age 15.

Seriously, I get that everyone has a right to their opinion, but no one has a right to pass these kinds of judgements on these little girls or their parents - or on other posters with different opinions.

Say that you think it is horrible. That is your right. But say that these girls are in training to be strippers, and you are "cracked". :thumbsup2
 
Oh good, this thread is still going. I was afraid someone had stopped beating the dead horse!
 
Exactly - now read the posts in this thread which essentially say the same thing that the "cracked" person says, but without a call for an outright banning of dance.

They say that this type of dance is "sexual". That it includes simulated oral sex. That these girls are training to be strippers. That they will be in trouble by age 15.

Seriously, I get that everyone has a right to their opinion, but no one has a right to pass these kinds of judgements on these little girls or their parents - or on other posters with different opinions.

Say that you think it is horrible. That is your right. But say that these girls are in training to be strippers, and you are "cracked". :thumbsup2

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're not the DIS police. I could say that no one has a right to insert ridiculous, non-funny clip art into threads. I could say that no one has a right to get all judgmental about passing judgment.

Your stance throughout this thread has basically been: All opinions are created equal, but some opinions are equaler than others. It is very tiresome. But I guess that's your point.
 

Exactly - now read the posts in this thread which essentially say the same thing that the "cracked" person says, but without a call for an outright banning of dance.

They say that this type of dance is "sexual". That it includes simulated oral sex. That these girls are training to be strippers. That they will be in trouble by age 15.

Seriously, I get that everyone has a right to their opinion, but no one has a right to pass these kinds of judgements on these little girls or their parents - or on other posters with different opinions.

Say that you think it is horrible. That is your right. But say that these girls are in training to be strippers, and you are "cracked". :thumbsup2

Calling little girls names has no place here, you are right about that, but the fact of the matter is that many of the dance moves in the routine ARE sexual in nature. I don't see the problem with people expressing the opinion that it is uacceptable for small children to be doing them. I personally find it offensive, and don't mind saying so. I wouldn't allow my child to do it. I am not going to blast the parents that did, but I will say that I feel that they made a poor decision and did not look out for the best interest of thier children.
 
Calling little girls names has no place here, you are right about that, but the fact of the matter is that many of the dance moves in the routine ARE sexual in nature. I don't see the problem with people expressing the opinion that it is uacceptable for small children to be doing them. I personally find it offensive, and don't mind saying so. I wouldn't allow my child to do it. I am not going to blast the parents that did, but I will say that I feel that they made a poor decision and did not look out for the best interest of thier children.

Great post - one that expresses your opinion without ripping anyone or passing judgement - and one that respects other opinions.
 
...Your stance throughout this thread has basically been: All opinions are created equal, but some opinions are equaler than others. It is very tiresome. But I guess that's your point.

Close - All opinions are equal, but some posters in this thread disparage posters who express opinions that differ from theirs.
 
That was a joke. It was my first post in the thread and I was trying to lighten the mood.

And then you reposted it, and then you continued to "joke" in a disparaging way. Which is fine by me, but I don't understand the disconnect between your own posts and the flack you're giving other posters.
 
And then you reposted it, and then you continued to "joke" in a disparaging way. Which is fine by me, but I don't understand the disconnect between your own posts and the flack you're giving other posters.
Was I ever nasty? You can't see the difference between someone poking fun and someone getting nasty?

I am way too irreverent to ever let this stuff on the internet get to me. Some people here take this way too seriously. We can all be virtual friends, but we won't be, because some people feel like they have to "win" every debate. For me, the fun is in participating. :thumbsup2
 
Was I ever nasty? You can't see the difference between someone poking fun and someone getting nasty?

I am way too irreverent to ever let this stuff on the internet get to me. Some people here take this way too seriously. We can all be virtual friends, but we won't be, because some people feel like they have to "win" every debate. For me, the fun is in participating. :thumbsup2

Once again, I just have "perception" issues, right? Because you were always joking.

I like to point out hypocrisy when I see it, but, no I don't let this stuff get to me either. I enjoy participating in debate as well, but I have strong opinions, I believe in what I'm saying, and my ultimate goal in debating is winning, otherwise it's just a waste of time. But, different strokes for different folks.
 
...I enjoy participating in debate as well, but I have strong opinions, I believe in what I'm saying, and my ultimate goal in debating is winning, otherwise it's just a waste of time. But, different strokes for different folks.

You can't win on the internet - all you can do is express yourself. People do not change their minds easily - if ever. Studies have shown that more than 85% of the world's populace is unwilling to change their opinion once they have picked a side on an issue, even in the face of irrefutable evidence - and irrefutable evidence does not exist on the internet for the few who are willing to change.
 
I see none of the "supporters" have commented on the still photo. Why not?

Is it because the close up of the lingerie and the "come hither look" given by that child is indefensable (sp?)

Quote the still photo because I haven't seen it.

EDIT:Nevermind, found it. Really. Plenty of kids pose that way, I knew girls when I was 11/12 who did those poses for cameras.

And I'd like for your input on something I asked for. The music video of Can't Be Tamed by Miley Cyrus who's "only" 17.
 
When dh first saw dd's first hip hop costume, I thought he would bust a blood vessel; but once he saw her with it on (in the living room not on stage) with her tights and dance shoes, etc; he realized it wasn't revealing anything. Everything was well covered, there was NOTHING to see.

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And every move done was a hip hop dance move. If the girls are learning hip hop then those are the moves they will be learning. I didn't invent the dance style, I don't know "why"; it just is. Are there other moves? I am sure there are many. Could they have left a few out? Sure.
Hip hop must be very different in your neck of the woods (though I've seen it danced in competition all over the country, so :confused3) All those pirouettes and leg extensions are not hip hop. The costume is not a hip hop costume. As I said before, the thrusts are hip hop, but are usually done by dancers wearing longer, baggier clothing. Some studios will put a hip hop team in boy shorts, but not very often. Hip hop doesn't require that "lines be seen" to the extent that jazz, pom or ballet do. The gross thing about the video is not any one move on it's own, it's the whole package. I'd even be OK with the finger lick if it was a song about ice cream and they were wearing cute, girlish costumes. I linked to a hip hop montage earlier, which is typical hip hop. These outfits are far from it.

I really don't think these costumes were "revealing" just inappropriate. It's pseudo-lingerie..... a child should not be wearing it. Very creepy. The bare midriff isn't the issue for me.
::yes::

Well, the Dad admitted the moves were sexual when he said, "They don't even know what they're doing"

That's why you need to step up as a Dad nimrod.
My thoughts exactly! :thumbsup2

I didn't like how the Mother played it off. She basically said she didn't understand why people were so upset. I can see if you're in the competitive dancing world and this is the "norm" that you, as a parent may not have minded the routine, but don't play so dumb as to not "understand" why people may have a problem with it. That's just naive, and made her ramblings more mindless.
Despite what some of the sleazier studios convince their customers to believe, it's not the norm for competitive dance in that age group.

Another seemingly bad decision by the parents is how they have explained the uproar to the girls. The girls were interviewed and say how hard they work. One of them says, "We put in 120%. No, more than that. We put in 220%!" and all the rest nod and agree. It appears that these girls think the uproar is about how well they performed. How awful is that? They need to be told it has nothing to do with them. It's the adults who made poor costume and choreography choices that the people are upset with, not them. They did work hard and do have talent, and should be proud of themselves.

Maybe she should have waited until she was 18 but to me this isn't the same thing at all. Miley is clearly trying to break out of the teeny bopper mode and is almost an adult. These little girls have a long way to go yet.
::yes:: My thoughts exactly. Her video doesn't really bother me, but if I were her parent, I would have made her wait until she was 18 to do that.

Did anyone else scroll through all of the competition pictures? I did. And EVERY SINGLE TEAM had significantly more clothing on than these girls. It was an urban dance competition where people wear street wear, not the feature outfit from the February Frederick's catalog.
::yes:: Yes! I looked at the other teams, too, and there is a striking contrast. They try to tell us that this is the standard dance attire. Clearly at this competition it isn't!

Without youtube, it is very possible that the kids could have done the routine and not one person ever been upset about it.
Having heard what people in the audience say about routines tamer than this one, I can guarantee you that there would have been people upset by it even without youtube. They would have talked about it amongst themselves, maybe one or two of them would have taken the time to write to the WOD and express their concerns, but it wouldn't have gone much farther than that. I for one, am glad this has been publicized, because I think that will be more effective in getting this kind of thing stopped, than one or two emails from a dance competition might.

As for changing, the changes will have to come from the judging in the competitions. As long as routines like this win or place, they will continue to be a part of dance. The dance schools put their dancers in competitions to win and that is what they aim for.

Its just like in cheer. Many years ago when my nieces began to cheer, the few competitions they were in did not allow stunts under a certain age. Now the stunts get to be more and more complicated. A lot of really young girls get hurt because of it, but as long as the routines are winning compeititions the stunts are going to stay. It has to change at the competition level.

BTW, many people have the same negative connatations about cheer because of their "skimpy" uniforms and their "sexual" moves.
I agree that the judges need to deduct more points for inappropriate moves, lyrics and costuming. That would put an end to it. But parents need to stand up, too. Look at that dad in the video. He is clearly uncomfortable with it, but he just goes along with it, probably because his wife wants to. The mom just repeats "this is the way it is" "you don't understand" again and again, like she's been brainwashed into believing it herself. Your kids are talented! Imagine what they could do with a talented choreographer! One that actually knows how to choreograph a great routine, not a too-fast series of bumps and grinds with a couple of nice dance moves thrown in. Tell your studio you won't let your kids be dressed up as tramps. Put your money behind it and they will listen.

Obviously the animation would be somewhat different be the basic moves for the dance are in that video. Not the pelvic thrusts and grinds mind you but the hand movements and hip shaking was.
But it's the pelvic thrusts and grinds that we're finding inappropriate, not the hand movements. The Chipettes attire is also completely different and infinitely more appropriate. (:lmao: did I really just say that about a cartoon chipmunk? ;))
 
I think people/parents are fooling themselves if they think kids that age don't understand sexuality. They might not "get" what it's about and might not have it right, but we are all sexual beings from birth.

It's sick that they're being encouraged and TAUGHT to express themselves that way by grown adults who should know better.

More or less what I've been saying.
 
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