Almost kicked off FLIGHT! Please help

Allergies are basically deficiencies of the immune system. With all the vaccinations and drugs we take it is not inconceivable that we are stunting the immune system at an early age and keeping it from developing correctly. I'm not a doctor but can see how our over avoidance of every illness can cause our bodies to be unprepared to fight off what our ancestors used to deal with.

There is also the evolutionary aspect that we are trying to beat. It used to be that the weak died young, often times before they could reproduce. We are much better at keeping sick people alive now and while that is morally better it is not necessarily evolutionarily better.
 
Allergies are basically deficiencies of the immune system. With all the vaccinations and drugs we take it is not inconceivable that we are stunting the immune system at an early age and keeping it from developing correctly. I'm not a doctor but can see how our over avoidance of every illness can cause our bodies to be unprepared to fight off what our ancestors used to deal with.

There is also the evolutionary aspect that we are trying to beat. It used to be that the weak died young, often times before they could reproduce. We are much better at keeping sick people alive now and while that is morally better it is not necessarily evolutionarily better.


That's a good point. I hadn't thought about that.
 
Allergies are basically deficiencies of the immune system. With all the vaccinations and drugs we take it is not inconceivable that we are stunting the immune system at an early age and keeping it from developing correctly. I'm not a doctor but can see how our over avoidance of every illness can cause our bodies to be unprepared to fight off what our ancestors used to deal with.

There is also the evolutionary aspect that we are trying to beat. It used to be that the weak died young, often times before they could reproduce. We are much better at keeping sick people alive now and while that is morally better it is not necessarily evolutionarily better.

A year or so ago was a very interesting thread where we discussed the thought about the weak surviving. I recall writing about how in 'old times' a woman could expect to give birth to some 10 children during a lifetime, and count herself lucky if three made it to adulthood. If a child was weak or sickly, it tended to die young. Those born pre-maturely had virtually no chance of survival. Now, even the weakest child has a good chance of survival, to pass on its genes.
 
A year or so ago was a very interesting thread where we discussed the thought about the weak surviving. I recall writing about how in 'old times' a woman could expect to give birth to some 10 children during a lifetime, and count herself lucky if three made it to adulthood. If a child was weak or sickly, it tended to die young. Those born pre-maturely had virtually no chance of survival. Now, even the weakest child has a good chance of survival, to pass on its genes.

I have no doubt that in "olden" times, my son would not be alive today. He is your classic, full blown "atopic" patient. He has the gamut of allergies, asthma, and eczema. He also fits the atopic profile of fair skin, blond hair, and blue eyes. He got bits and pieces of his DNA from all of us. I'm fair, but no blonde. I have no skin issues, but have a cat allergy. No one on his maternal (my side) has ANY asthma. On my husband's side, they are not fair at all, but they all have eczema, and my FIL is the one with asthma. My poor son "won" the genetic jackpot, didn't he. ;)

No doubt in my mind, he wouldn't have made it past 6 years old before with his asthma issues. Without medical knowledge, it may have taken us many years to figure out he was allergic to certain foods and, certainly, one of those exposures could have been terrible. But we did know and we avoid things. Unfortunately, he will probably pass along his problems to his children.
 

If I had a child who was deathly allergic to anything, I would make sure that any activity we participate din as a family would be aware of this.

The Mom asking when she was checking the child in to the kids club was a bit late in the game, don't you think? I would have asked when I booked my cruise. I would have called a week before the cruise. I would have called the day before the cruise and I would have asked before I got on to the ship, not once I was on the ship and checking in to the kids club.

She actually probably did as she was requested--one final check.

Disney cannot legally deny a properly registered service dog from boarding and folks can book cruises at the very last minute.

She would have had to accept having to cancel and miss out on the cruise at the last minute. However--they could not put that type of issue on their cruise information b/c there would be no way that Disney could legally prohibit another passenger from booking due to this dog allergy.

I would hate to be in her shoes and she likely was just doing her due dilligance of confirming for the 1000th time that no dogs were on board.

I would imagine they had no idea the severity of the dog allergy to ask about service dogs after their last (non-disney) cruise experience and did not want the mistake repeated.


Also--you check into the kids club while you are in the port and likely she was doing this as her husband was checking in for their KTTW cards.

And as I stated--Unlike other types of allergies where a company can do their part in eliminating or reducing exposure to the allergen, there is no legal way to do that with a service animal.

The only reason I mentioned it was in response to the other deathly allergic pet allergy and how it was handled by DCL.
 
The OP in our peanut scenario posted that she did all the right things, let the airline know, was aware of the peanut buffer zone etc. From my perpsective from reading her posts, her issue is less that there were peanuts around and more the behavior of that staff person with regard to to the peanut thing, when she requested that the area around her seat be cleared of peanut products, as the airline's protocol says they will do.

The conversation in this thread has migrated into what is fair and reasonable and someone did post that they were on a flight where it was clearly obvious that the parents had not followed any protocol to ensure their children's safety when it comes to PDA.

I posted in a few other posts that I am aware that the OP did what she was supposed to do.
 
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Well I tried the double quote and it didn't work...so I'll extract:




It is unreasonable to not give any number of passengers proper advanced notice to get other snacks or prohibit them from consuming ANY food on board that they brought with them on a specific point.

If my child or I have special dietary considerations (someone mentioned the diabetic that has pb crackers in the invent of low blood sugar) then it is between us and our physician on what we can consume and when.

If an airline chooses to not notify in advance of a PDA (I think Airtran telling folks at checkin and having it printed on boarding passes is a WONDERFUL and reasonable idea. Though I wonder if it works for those who do on-line check-in.), then that is unfair to its passengers.

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Air travel was much more fun when they had hot towel service. It was also a lot more ex*****ve. Are you willing to give up a $69 flight to Florida and pay $300 to have a meal and a hot towel? But I digress.
I traveled a lot as a kid. I have no idea what the tickets cost as I was a product of divorce and these were mandatory child visits. But I remember the hot towel...I wasn't speaking of luxury and and snootyness.:guilty:


Noone is entitled to air travel. In and of itself, it is a luxury regardless of price.

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The lack of this "luxury" is at the choosing of the airline--so they have a few options, change their offerings or figure out some way around the peanut issue by obligating pre-notification in order to better serve all passengers. Really, probably the easiest thing for the airlines to do is to make every flight peanut free.This isn't an all or nothing thing. It's about making a life threatening situation easy on everyone.

This wouldn't necessarily solve the problem. There are many "secret nuts" hiding in many foods.

They would also have to ban bringing your own food and to do that, they would have to go back to serving food on board. Since you don't want high ticket prices, they can't possibly ban food, could they?


My parents always went by the old adage "When she gets hungry enough, she'll eat" when I was being "particular" about food. They were usually right.

Again-a parenting slam. I don't get this. I suck at parenting b/c I give my child PB and we give it to him often?
 
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Frankly, no. There's no reasonable (or unreasonable) support for an evolutionary-related change. Why in the world would humans evolve into peanut-allergic beings? Peanuts are healthy in moderation.

PD/PDA allergic folks FEEL FREE TO CORRECT THIS STATEMENT IF IT IS MISINFORMATION....

But I had heard that it MAY have something to do with mold/mildew or something during/after harvest.

I don't know enough about peanuts to know how they are harvested, but I had come across that theory somewhere.

I would hypothesize that perhaps peanuts are being produced more now than ever and that could indicate how some folks would react to it and why it is increasing.

I have been told that allergies can be hereditary, but as with all other things involving DNA--I don't really get how that is.
 
Disney cannot legally deny a properly registered service dog from boarding and folks can book cruises at the very last minute.

I'm not actually sure that this is totally true. I know that, for airline travel, it is not true. A documented life threatening allergy to a dog is not "trumped" by someone with a service animal (nor does it trump it). If both passengers cannot be accommodated on the flight (by sitting them far apart), one will have to be denied boarding (and placed on a later flight) and the decision as to who is denied boarding is not to be based on the disability. This, of course, assumes that both passengers informed the airline at time booking of their disability. For example, if I were deathly allergic to dogs I would inform the airline when I booked my ticket and ask if any service animals (or cabin animals, if allowed by the airline) were already booked on the flight and, assuming none where, ask that the flight be "tagged" to minimise the chance of a dog being on my plane. I would imagine (though I don't know) that cruise lines would be bound by similar rules.

Anyway, something of a tangent, but I just wanted to point it out.
 
This wouldn't necessarily solve the problem. There are many "secret nuts" hiding in many foods.

They would also have to ban bringing your own food and to do that, they would have to go back to serving food on board. Since you don't want high ticket prices, they can't possibly ban food, could they?

I don't want to speak for all peanut allergic individuals but I am going to make this statement based on my own knowledge and comfort level with the allergy.

"Secret nuts" aren't really the issue unless, of course, you're trying to pawn off a food as peanut free and an allergic individual eats it.

For the purposes of THIS thread, the issue is peanut dust and airborne issues. Peanuts hiding in a cookie on an airplane are not going to give off peanut dust. The nuts have been rolled in a dough and baked. I can't say enough that the issue is with those little bags of peanuts being opened by many, many people and tossed about. That is the real issue. In my opinion, every other type of peanut can be controlled well on an airplane except for the bagged peanuts. They are the offenders. A little kid eating a PB&J or a diabetic patient having PB and crackers somewhere else on the flight can be EASILY managed. When I take my Southwest flight next week, I only expect that the bags won't be served. Really, I don't care what the other passengers do but I don't have a choice in what Southwest wants to tell everyone on the flight.
 
PD/PDA allergic folks FEEL FREE TO CORRECT THIS STATEMENT IF IT IS MISINFORMATION....

But I had heard that it MAY have something to do with mold/mildew or something during/after harvest.

I don't know enough about peanuts to know how they are harvested, but I had come across that theory somewhere.


There is a toxic mold that can grow on peanuts and make you very sick. I have read about this and understand it to be not an issue in the U.S. I have read that in other countries, their peanut products may still contain the mold. The Phillipines sticks out to me for some reason as having this problem recently. But I don't think this mold is the culprit in the allergy but in some other issue that I can't quite remember. I think there was something about people getting sick of peanuts and peanut butter, then thinking they had a peanut allergy, when in fact that were having a reaction to this mold (which a test would prove out).
 
It is very hard to articulate my nightmare experience I had just two days ago. For one it seems almost unbelievable and two I am still emotionally in shock.

To sum up my young kids and I were almost kicked off a flight because of my sons PEANUT ALLERGY.

I have written a letter to the airline but feel it almost too emotional. If you could please help me out in tweeking and making it flow better. I would greatly appreciate it.

I have changed some names and such as I would like to wait to see how it is resolved before I scream it from the roof tops!

To whom it may concern,
I am writing this to make you aware of my horrific flight experience.

My name is
I was on flight #. I was traveling alone with my two young children (age2) and (age 5). My youngest son has a peanut allergy.

I know from speaking with flight attendants on previous flights that your airline chooses to continue to serve peanuts despite knowing the dangers it presents. That is their right however as with all handicaps and serious medical conditions I do hold the airline responsible to do their part to make the flight safe.

I tried to do my part to make everyone aware of my son’s allergy. I made a call before my vacation began, I also told the agent at the baggage counter. I then also told the front gate agent. I was told the attendants would be made aware. I stressed cleaning as that seems to be the main issue.

After boarding the plane and stowing my personal bags under the seat. I noticed peanuts everywhere. Not fragments as I realize they are hard to get up, but whole peanuts. It appeared that there were bags that had been dropped and never been cleaned up by the previous flight.

I quickly made an attendant aware of the situation. The attendant asked me what I expected her to do. I was quickly made to feel I was causing a huge inconvenience. So the attendant asked me “Is that what you want me to do. Stop boarding the plane, delaying everyone to have it cleaned.” I said yes or we can risk him having a serious reaction mid air and having to land and really make everyone late. She said fine that she would take care of it.

About five minutes later two men came back to talk with me. The one gentleman was very understanding and assured me he would do his best to resolve the situation. I was asked to disembark the plane while they cleaned.

We left the plane and waited on the ramp. Another man came around the corner. John Doe the flight supervisor, abruptly told me that they can not guarantee a peanut free flight. He came off very coarse and rude. I told him I was aware of that however I do feel Delta does hold some accountability in keeping the plane at least clean before boarding. I told him I made at least three people aware before boarding and (was brushed off.)

Obviously I was a little upset because of the way I was treated by the flight attendant and embarrassed because a delay was caused. My voice was raised but certainly not yelling. The man (JOHN Doe) told me to lower my voice and stop yelling. He told me to stop treating him like a child. I had only said about three sentences so I was completely confused. The man continued to berate me. Asking me why I could not talk to him like a normal human being. I told him that I would just rather not talk and wait for the plane to be cleaned. I knew that there was no talking to him and to just wait. He then informed me if I could not talk to him I would need to get off the flight. I asked if he was the Pilot and he said no, but he was the one that could kick me off the plane. I was extremely puzzled as I was not pursuing a fight with him I just did not want to talk to him. He was not used to this. I was emotional and trying to keep my composure. I asked him to please leave me alone and then began to cry. He then directed me up the tunnel and told me I was not getting on this flight. I again apologized and pleaded with him to allow me to fly and that I would get my self together.

PLEASE understand I was not attacking him I just began to cry because he continued to belitte me. He said fine we will just wait for the plane to be cleaned.

I stood against the wall and waited. John Doe was not happy with this and continued to make comments. I knew that this was a losing battle for me and that I needed to keep my mouth shut so I could get on that plane. John Doe continued to make comments. I was not sure why he expected me to be quiet but he himself did not know how. His comments included “What is wrong with your generation? You expect everything to be handed to you? None of you know how to carry on a conversation” I was completely perplexed by this. This man was no more than 2-5 years older than I.

He continued on to humiliate me with saying “Look at you over there against the wall with your hands behind your back acting like a child”. “Learn to talk like a grown up.” I continued my silence because I knew if I said anything I would not get on that plane. I just wanted to get home.

I again said please leave me alone. That only enraged him even more. He continued. “Look at you and your a mom. What a horrible mother!” he continued “I feel sorry for these kids, they have no hope” he stated in a fake sadness. My mouth stood agape and he realized he crossed the line. I was in disbelief that this just happened. He then headed up the ramp.

I remained quiet because I knew I needed to get on that plane. I felt as if I lived in a communist society where people were berated and not allowed to defend themselves. If they did they would be exiled.

The worst part was that he was alone with me. I stood in disbelief that this was happening all the while knowing that it was his word against mine. I knew I had no choice but to be quiet. Not once did I attack him or say one derogatory statement to him. No one should ever have to be subjected to verbal abuse as I was by your employee John Doe!

As I write this letter I still remain in shock that employees of a company that serves the public could behave in this manner. I realize the airlines deal with irrational and angry customers daily. I was not one of those. The situation would have never happened had the plane been cleaned properly. Having an employee who escalates situations for his personal satisfaction instead of acting like a professional is no doubt only going to continue to create problem.

I find it shocking that my requests for a peanut caution were ignored and that I was made to feel belittled for looking out for my sons health and well being. This should have never happened!


So I re quoted the post (since it's so far back now) and highlighted a part of it. OP did you preboard to check the area out first to make sure everything was ok. It seems to me that if you had done that (This is from the delta website:
Peanut Allergies
When you notify us that you have a peanut allergy, we'll create a buffer zone of three rows in front of and three rows behind your seat. We'll also advise cabin service to board additional non-peanut snacks, which will allow our flight attendants to serve these snack items to everyone within this area.

Gate agents will be notified in case you'd like to pre-board and cleanse the immediate seating area. We'll do everything we can, but unfortunately we still can't guarantee that the flight will be completely peanut-free.)

Seems to me if she was so concerned over her son having a reaction than she absolutely should have done so. Did you ask to do this OP or did you just board with everyone else. She would have been allowed to get on prior to anyone boarding and had it taken care of without creating a situation or possible delay.
 
IFor the purposes of THIS thread, the issue is peanut dust and airborne issues. Peanuts hiding in a cookie on an airplane are not going to give off peanut dust. The nuts have been rolled in a dough and baked. I can't say enough that the issue is with those little bags of peanuts being opened by many, many people and tossed about. That is the real issue. In my opinion, every other type of peanut can be controlled well on an airplane except for the bagged peanuts. They are the offenders.

Just a question, aren't the bagged peanuts roasted and rolled in salt? IF SO, where is the dust coming from, just as in your example, a peanut in a cookie isn't the issue nor is the PB&J.....so, IF they are roasted (cooked) and not in the raw form and salted, what happens to the dust?
 
Just a question, aren't the bagged peanuts roasted and rolled in salt? IF SO, where is the dust coming from, just as in your example, a peanut in a cookie isn't the issue nor is the PB&J.....so, IF they are roasted (cooked) and not in the raw form and salted, what happens to the dust?

The roasting doesn't stop the dust. If you looked at peanuts in a cookie, they are generally the ones that have been cleaned up a bit and are smooth (although those can break down into small particles). When put into a cookie, generally, the batter and the cookie itself will keep the peanuts intact.

Not that anyone studies their peanut bags, but have you ever looked into one, or noticed that when you dump some out you get that papery peanut "skin" (or flakes of it) in your hand. I do. What do I do when that happens? Usually dust my palms together to get the darned particles off my hands. I see everyone doing it. Anyway, I digress.

Peanuts in a bag or jar tend to get jostled around and they start crumbling up. Not to mention, again, that some peanuts you get still have the papery skin attached. This is the culprit. People dumping them out into their hands to "throw a few back" and then having that crap on their hands, which, on a plane generally just gets brushed off your hands.
 
Thanks for the explanation. I just assumed that since they were roasted and salted, there would be no "dust" issue. Now skin residue, yes I was aware of that and salt remnants on hands, yes.
 
PD/PDA allergic folks FEEL FREE TO CORRECT THIS STATEMENT IF IT IS MISINFORMATION....

But I had heard that it MAY have something to do with mold/mildew or something during/after harvest.

I don't know enough about peanuts to know how they are harvested, but I had come across that theory somewhere.

I would hypothesize that perhaps peanuts are being produced more now than ever and that could indicate how some folks would react to it and why it is increasing.

I have been told that allergies can be hereditary, but as with all other things involving DNA--I don't really get how that is.
One of the links I posted earlier (i.e. several days/pages ago, not the WebMD or MedicineNet sites) points out that there are far fewer peanut-allergic people in China, and theorizes it's because peanuts are prepared differently there. It's customary to boil or fry them; in the United States, Great Britain, and Australia - where the estimated percentage of PA persons is 1.1% to 1.3% in each country* - peanuts are frequently dry-roasted or made into peanut butter. Both processes involve much higher temperatures than the Chinese preparation, so the article presumes the allergy is somehow heat-related.

*I realize peanut allergies can be life-threatening - it should be pointed out that this is an extremely small percentage of the overall population, yet the remaining 98+% is expected to adapt :confused2
 
*I realize peanut allergies can be life-threatening - it should be pointed out that this is an extremely small percentage of the overall population, yet the remaining 98+% is expected to adapt :confused2

I get that you don't want to change things for people with needs. But we accommodate people's special needs all the time. I don't know the percentage of handicapped people out of the whole population, nor do I know the amount that are scamming the system, but we've all given up choice parking spots so that special needs people can get into the mall easier--so that cardiac patients who are at high risk don't endanger their lives by having too walk long distances to do their grocery shopping, so that people with injured limbs aren't in extreme pain when walking to much. I remember a time when we didn't have handicapped spaces and how, in the early days, some people were put out because they couldn't park up front. We still have people who think they are above the system and will illegally park in a spot designed for special needs. We use taxpayer dollars to build ramps and easy access into public buildings and schools for people in wheelchairs, so that they may try to live a normal life.

How come we can "give up" money and parking spaces for these people, but we can make accommodations for this odd allergy? I really just don't get it.
 
“Look at you and your a mom. What a horrible mother!” he continued “I feel sorry for these kids, they have no hope”

If anyone said this to me in front of my kids, I would have hauled off and punched him :eek:... and then sued Delta for emotional distress! :)

He really said that?!
 
To the OP......when was the last time your son was tested. What number was he on he allergy scale? Do you also carry an EPI-Pen?
 


If anyone said this to me in front of my kids, I would have hauled off and punched him :eek:... and then sued Delta for emotional distress! :)

He really said that?!

In all honesty I find it hard to believe. Do I believe that there was some kind of attitude, yeah, probably. But to this extent I'm hesitant to believe it. Sorry.
 












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